* Posts by Ian Michael Gumby

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Facebook won't change React.js license despite Apache developer pain

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Here's the reality... its a scam in favor of Facebook.

Lets cut to the chase.

The BSD License + Patents says that if you use this code, then you lose the right to use the code if you ever sue Facebook for Patent infringement.

This is a trojan horse. Facebook wants to push this code out to everyone so that it becomes a key critical component in their ecosystem. At that point, Facebook could ignore any and all software patents because if you sue them, you lose the ability to use any code that they may have donated to Open Source which you now rely on. Even if you don't directly use the code in your products, if you purchased a product that uses their code, you could potentially lose the ability to use that product.

Corporate companies love Apache licenses because it allows them to re-license the code or do pretty much whatever they want with the code free from any major restrictions.

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Microsoft president exits US govt's digital advisory board as tech leaders quit over Trump

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Re: the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

the United States has an exceptional degree of respect for absolute freedom of speech

Not to mention an internal civil war with firearms in the hands of psychotics.

Funny but for all of the guns that were worn by the far right, not a single shot was fired.

Yet last night 4 died and 28 were shot in Chicago.

I suggest you learn what you are talking about.

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@AC Re: Boston?

One thing that does strike me as odd is why is this now getting attention? These idiots have been around for years, what's changed? I don't like the wig wearing wanker in white house but by doing this the press are playing into his hands.

I up voted you because you're correct.

What people don't want to believe or understand that under Obama, the hate groups on both sides of the aisle grew. On the right, there isn't a single group. 'alt-right' , 'neo-nazis', KKK, etc all grew and some members belong to multiple groups. On the left, the violence of antifa grew because it was tolerated and allowed. BLM was started during Obama who also interjected in to racial issues like the Treyvon Martin incident and Ferguson.

The hate groups on the right co-opted Trump's message. They are willfully misinterpreting Trump's 'Make America Great Again' to promote their hate filled agendas. (remember there are multiple fringe groups).

The reason you see this blowing up is that the MSM, and the Democrats have been against Trump from the get go. They have manufactured incident after incident as a way to derail Trump and slowing his ability to make changes so that in 2018, they can point to a lack of change and then try to persuade people to vote them back in.

BTW, that is Trump's real hair. Its called a comb over.

And its not that they are playing in to his hands, but that they are playing the masses to promote their own agenda.

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Re: "All Lives Splatter"

Funny you should say that.

Trump made a comment... "We all bleed RED". I think its something we can all agree to and its a start.

Your comment may have been said in jest, however its appropriate, even if its a bit of dark humor.

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@John Brown ... Re: driving cars in to pedestrians

Since you brought up Boston....

1) Unlike Charlottesville, the police did their job. Anything that could be used as a weapon wasn't allowed. No backpacks either.

2) The Charlottesville organizer reported that the buses that they rented to take them to the rally wasn't allowed to stop at the planned starting point and was rerouted to the side where the protesters were. Think about that for a second.

3) Even with few event attendees, there was still violence. There's video of an Antifa member grabbing the flag out of the hands of a woman who was peacefully protesting. Other protesters helped keep the peace, yet some of the Antifa protesters were arrested for attacking the police.

In addition, I suggest you find some commentary from people like Dr. MLKs daughter who condemn the violence, including on the part of Antifa and BLM.

Also BLM has gone beyond fighting to expose police violence against minorities and have added an Anti--Israel plank to their platform.

The best thing you can do is to avoid these protesters and condemn hate and violence from both sides.

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Re: driving cars in to pedestrians

Even better, it seems to be splitting the loose unity of the right. Some of the 'not quite so far right' are very unhappy with the far right, their extremism, extreme violence, and racist hate.

Seriously WTF?

Dude,

Perhaps you didn't get the memo, but the event scheduled in Charlottesville wasn't set to be for a single group. There were 'alt-right', 'neo nazis', KKK and other hate groups. There were also people there who wanted to protect the statues and also represent free speech. It wasn't a single group.

On the left, protesting them, you had people who were protesting the hate groups along with BLM and Antifa protesters looking for a fight. Even Couric and her team of producers were attacked by Antifa.

There was no single group on either the right or the left.

This is why Trump's comments condemning the violence may not make sense to a simpleton like you who can only think in binary terms.

At the same time, the MSM, Democrats, anti-Trump politicians have jumped on his comments. While many in the 'alt-right' have adopted Trump and his platform, it doesn't mean that's what Trump was saying.

Today, there was a commentator who said that the Democratic party is using this as a distraction so that Trump can't get anything done, so that in 2018, they can tell people to vote Democratic. Seriously, this is a valid opinion because there is a pattern of distraction.

So wake up and smell the coffee.

You are being played if you don't think that there are violent extremists on both sides of the aisle. Sure its easy to hate a neo-nazi scumbag. But don't forget about the extreme on the left. BLM has called for the death of police officers and several radials have ambushed and killed police officers in Dallas, Louisiana, NYC, and now Florida along with other incidents. The most recent attack in Florida was committed by a man who claimed to be a moor, which is a black extremist group.

To be clear, no one condones the act of the mentally unstable guy who was even unfit for the Army. Well maybe some of his neo nazi brethren and ISIS.

But you need to realize that you too are part of the problem.

You want to head down the slippery slope where you start to condemn speech you don't like.

Ask yourself where it ends...

Grow up and learn to listen and try to understand what is being said and to not fall in to the trap of violence. You're getting played by both sides.

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@Steven Davies the turd [sic]... Re: driving cars in to pedestrians

Building a wall is actually a good thing.

Its amazing that people need to set up boundaries and the physical wall does just that. Trump isn't against immigration, his current wife is an immigrant. He's against illegal immigration. Protecting our borders to allow controlled entrance/egress is important to the safety of our country.

The best example why... just look at Europe today... Just look at this year's recent terror attacks. Spain, France, Germany, the UK, and even Sweden.

(I expect to be down voted by those who don't understand what I am saying)

The H1-B program needs to be revamped because of the rampant fraud and abuse.

The H2-B program should have been kept in to place, however, greater protection should have been put in place to protect the guest workers.

For full disclosure, I own a farm that I rent out to a commercial grower. Their H2-B visa workers are taken care of... there is housing as well as care for their families, which is in part why we have had a long term relationship. I have seen their houses/dorms on a local farm. I also have seen some abuses against other workers and mobile crews. This is why I believe revamping and improving these programs is important.

Its very easy for mental midgets like you who don't take the time to learn the whole story before making a knee jerk comment. What you see is a very complex issue and you're over simplifying it as a way to justify your rage.

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@Steven Davies the turd [sic]... Re: driving cars in to pedestrians

You sir, are part of the problem.

No one condones the action of that insane moron. Well maybe some of the Hitler Youth or ISIS.

What makes America great is that you can have a difference of opinion. Unfortunately under Obama, unless you were expressing a PC opinion, its ok to get violent and to shout you down. Hence the rise in all of these groups. Obama was not only the greatest gun salesman, but also gave a boost to the Antifa movement, allowed for the creation of the BLM and added fuel to the 'alt-right' / 'white supremacist' and racial bigots. (There 's a fringe group calling themselves moors..) I suggest you actually do some homework and you can see the rise in these groups over the past eight years.

The best thing you can do is to shut up and learn about the issue before you take a knee jerk position.

Free clue:

Did you ever think that the 'alt right' , 'neo-nazi' and 'white supremacists' are playing the violent left?

One commentator suggested that by scheduling these events, making twitter and FB comments about being prepared for violence and to bring their weapons 'for self-defense'... and saying things that 99.99% of the rest of us find vulgar, distasteful, all to rile us up so that some mental midgets are going to show up looking for a fight?

Those who attend these events to protest, violently, are playing in to their hands. The best thing we can do is to ignore them, and then counter protest where people don't fight or propose supremacy of one race or religion over another. Condemn both the Right and Left fringe groups and focus on what we need to do to make America Great again.

But no, that clue is lost on you.

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Lets put things in to perspective.

First,

Trump condemned both sides for their part in the violence. To ignore the violence from BLM and Antifa members is to condone and legitimize their actions. To perpetuate that its ok to proactively attack someone or something you disagree with claiming self defense. (You can google many accounts of antifa members saying this.)

Is he trying to equate the evil of hate, bigotry and violence found in the 'alt-right' , 'White Supremacists' with that on the left? No. However that doesn't mean that both groups have shown evil and violent behavior.

At the same time, there is this thing called the First Amendment, There have been several key SCOTUS decisions during the 20th century that deal with the Freedom of Speech and what denotes hate speech. While many disagree with the message from either the 'alt-right' or the 'alt-left' and condemn violence, they do have the right to voice their opinion, regardless of how misguided it is.

With respect to the President's council, it has been disbanded. Those CEOs who left did so because of the optics rather than the substance of the issue. It shows a short sighted behavior that I for one have to question their fitness to lead a major company.

To be clear, due to the optics, these mental midgets left a council where they had an opportunity to influence future US policy on important issues.... Things that impact their company and their workforce.

Immigration, Healthcare, Trade and Taxes.

Think about that for a second or two... Rather than do things that would benefit them and well pretty much everyone, they ran away because they didn't want to get called a racist by a misguided liberal media.

Its amazing that people will down vote comments that are critical of the attacks on Trump and a misunderstanding of what is meant by 'Freedom of Speech'. The irony... the protesters are exercising the same freedoms which they are condemning.

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US cops point at cell towers and say: Give us every phone number that's touched that mast

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@AC Re: @corestore

Sorry mate, I have to down vote you.

How much do you want to bet that this is also happening in the EU and the UK?

Hypothetically, if you wanted to find a bad actor who frequently changed phones, how would you do it?

One idea would be to monitor the cell phone traffic in the area as well as monitor when the bad actor was in the area. While you don't know the specific cell number, you can, over time eliminate phones in the area based on their usage pattern. Thus limiting the cell phones that could be used by the bad actor.

Then you can get a warrant to use StingRay and find said phone.

You can't give the information to the telcos and have them search because you risk the investigation being blown or the bad guy being tipped off.

Also consider that it could be a terrorist cell at work. So you could be racing the clock.

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@old used programmer Re: @corestore

Actually it does.

Cell phone companies have multiple towers in an area. They need to route traffic between towers as well as determine where they need a new tower if the area is heavily congested.

For example, where I live, during the evening rush hour out of the city, I have calls dropped, even though our building has a telco's mast.

Its gotten better, however there are still some days where calls get dropped.

The cell companies will want to be able to determine load on the system and track usage.

Is the load due to a special event? Or is the load due to every day commuters. You really can't depend on an aggregation because you don't know who's a regular and who's just visiting the area.

There's more, but you should get the idea.

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Judge yanks plug out of AT&T's latest attack on Google Fiber

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@rh587 Re: Is that fear I smell?

This is true. It rubs both ways.

However, why would AT&T have to handle google's fiber since their fiber is already in place?

Last one in could 'accidentally' do the most damage.

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@Tigra Re: Is that fear I smell?

Not really,

While the pages will come up faster, the time spent on a page actually watching it will be roughly the same.

Where Google would have an advantage is they can now track every single one of your packets regardless if you have noscript turned on and don't report to google analytics. They will know exactly what you see and do, regardless of your privacy settings. Read this as Tensor Flow custom GPU for EVIL.

You are right that competition is good in terms of keeping the prices down. However if Google takes their ad revenues to price their service below cost in order to get subscribers then you have a problem.

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Re: Is that fear I smell?

Fear?

As in Google's guys break my Service and I have to explain to customers that its not our fault?

Or fear as in Google is now a competitor that I need to worry about?

And then there's

Fear? What fear? Google is going to drop it like a hot potato when they learn that they will soon be labeled a telco or will drop it when the figure out the expense vs. returns can't cut it?

If Alphabet had to make their broadband cable a separate business... they are going to find it an expensive proposition. If they get labeled a telco... then the regulations is going to be interesting.

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Read IBM CEO Ginni Rometty's letter to staff: Why I walked from Trump's strategy forum

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@Lord E Puss Re: @Strum ... Once is enough

Yes We.

I know many blue collar types who own many more guns than I do. Farmers tend to own one or two field shotguns, a .22 rifle and a hunting rifle. Or multiple hunting rifles and .22s.

Depending on the weapon, prices will vary.

And I'm not apologizing for Trump. He's the POTUS and you need to respect that.

So please get clue.

BTW, its the far left which are closer to being fascists than Trump.

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@AC Re: Once is enough

Son,

Trump based his statements on two research papers which concluded that there was a lot of illegal voting.

There was confirmation of both sources. Of course without further inspection, there is no way of knowing.

However...

1) Gov of Virginia got caught trying to pardon a mass number of convicted felons so that they could vote. 300K voters would have swung the state in the Dem's favor. His action was challenged and he gave up on it after only commuting/pardoning a handful of people.

2) In Indiana (Gary) There was an incident where a group which registered black voters had been caught forging registrations along with having 18 registered voters to a single apartment.

3) There are instances where people voted in two different counties / states. They were registered voters in both areas.

4) In several states there are inconsistencies in voter registration. The voter rolls needed to be cleaned. People who hadn't lived in the area for man years were still registered. Judical Watch sued the State of Ohio and got them to settle and agree to updating and cleaning up their rolls. Judicial Watch also has started action against the state of California.

There's more, but you get the idea. Its not just Trump making a wild accusations.

And you point to something that is an issue. People who have moved from another area are still registered. BTW all those names you mentioned only voted once.

I suggest you get a clue and actually leave your bias at the door.

There is enough evidence to call for an investigation. This would be an incredible DS exercise.

Its the first step in protecting our votes.

There are many more instances of illegal voting. Does it add up to the 3 million? That remains to be seen.

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Re: @ Grunt 1 Our grandfathers

I want to also add the following:

One of my father's closest friends grew up in Nazi Germany.

He wasn't a Nazi, nor were his parents. His older brother was and had turned his parents in.

His parents were killed during a bomb raid. (Imagine coming home from school to dig your parents up from your bombed out house only to then have to bury them.)

He was drafted at 16 as the allied forces entered Germany. He surrendered without firing a shot.

He came to America and was under my father. Many of my father's Jewish coworkers hated him because he was German and some lost family during the war. My father who fought, took him under his wing. Over time the other Jewish Coworkers accepted him.

The point, you lead by example. Sometimes you ignore things like Antisemitic remarks so that you can be the better man and hopefully change the other person.

The sad truth... you can shut down these hate groups, but unless you educate them, those sick twisted ideals will fester and there will be another hate group. And the sad sick thing... you don't have to be white to be a hater.

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@Mark Price.

So Trump condemned the Neo Nazis and the 'Alt-Right' groups.

But he also condemned the Antifa and BLM groups that were also present.

No false equivalency. Some say Evil is Evil. Believing that, does being evil but a little less evil than the other guy mean you're not wrong too and should be condemned?

The truth is that regardless of what Trump said, he was going to be attacked. That's a verifiable fact.

What others miss is that by supporting the concept of Free Speech, and the right of these hate groups to say their peace... is that I and others are condoning their actions and their rhetoric. That is the furthest thing from the truth.

I understand what can and will happen if we start to relegate what can be said and what can't. That's walking down the path of fascism. We must support our freedoms even if we find it being abused.

I suggest that you go back and read Trump's quotes.

You may find you don't disagree with what he said.

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@Strum ... Re: Once is enough

Oh but I do understand.

After the election, one of the talking heads on the news said a comment that many here might understand. Without the electoral college we would end up with the dystopia found in the Mocking Jay Trilogy.

It did work.

Everybody, including the Russians thought that Hillary would win. Only Hillary skipped the 'fly over states' to hob nob with her best buds in L. A. attending parties and fund raisers instead of pressing the flesh. She lost the rust belt because of this.

The MSM seems to talk about the elitists. The truth. Its the little guy that makes up the backbone of this country and we're sick and tired of being taken for granted. At the same time. Hillary, to get Obama's support aligned herself as continuing his idiotic world view and oppressive regulations. Not to mention, Hillary should be in jail, but that's another story.

Had Clinton campaigned more in the Midwest in Wisconsin and Michigan, she could have won those states. But she didn't and she lost.

The other thing to remember. Polls are voluntary and depending on the questions being asked and where they are being asked you may get the wrong answer. Many of Trump's supporters were mainly in the closet. They didn't want to voice their opinion in public out of fear of being ostracized. Also many voted for Trump for various reasons. Some over the Second Amendment, Others over the Supreme Court pick, others over taxes, or healthcare. Some on multiple issues.)

So yeah, I know American history a wee bit better than you and most here. Some of which I got to see first hand.

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Re: @Snoralax @Blotto Trump was right the first time

The truth is a popularity contest? Really?

I think that says a lot about you and your vision of reality.

You are closer to being a fascist that you so hate than you realize.

You tend to revel in your ignorance. And that's the sad pathetic truth.

You clear don't know constitutional law. Or its significance in shaping this country.

I've already suggested that you read Animal Farm.

You should also read 'A Nation Takes Shape' by Cuniliffe.

There's more, but seriously its all wasted on you. What do they teach you in school these days?

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Re: @Triggerfish ... Trump was right the first time

@Triggerfish...

You missed the point, but since you want to talk about firearms...

The 5.56 mm round is a .223 which is a .22 caliber round. I won't go in the the ballistic differences other than to say that the 5.56x51mm is a larger case containing a larger charge behind the bullet. But both can kill. In terms of penetration. most pistol rounds can penetrate a car door easily. You can find YouTube videos demonstrating this. And those are 9mm, .40 S&W, .45ACP and .357Sig rounds that are commonly used in the police force today.

There is no such thing as a 'single shot automatic rifle'. There are muzzle loaders, bolt action, semi-auto and full auto (select fire) weapons. (Select fire in that you can fire semi-auto, burst, and full automatic, while some will not fire bursts but either semi or full auto and other that will fire bursts but not full auto. It depends on the weapon and its trigger group.)

The use of the term 'assault rifle' has both legal and historical significance. Hence its important to note that while some carried rifles (AR-15) some also carried pistols (both open and concealed). But they were in the minority. (There's a reason for this...) And during all of the violence, not a single shot was fired.

While you may focus on the optics of the men brandishing weapons, you need to know the gun laws. First, only residents of the state can carry a concealed weapon if they have a conceal carry permit. Those from outside of the state can carry concealed weapons if the state (Virginia) recognizes the other state's permit. (Reciprocity) You can go online and see which state honors what.

But then you get in to the question of where and when is it legal to actually use your fire arm. Note too that even with open carry, there are rules that vary from state to state that allow open carry.

IMHO it was foolish of them to brandish rifles. If you use it, the odds are you will end up in jail and you would lose your rifle. At best, you may be found not guilty, however it will be a very expensive lesson.

Firearms are not toys. Full disclosure. I legally own several bolt action rifles, semi-auto rifles, shotguns and pistols. I regularly shoot in order to maintain my proficiency and have a healthy respect for the damage a gun can do.

Also, lets be clear. Neither side wanted a peaceful protest.

To help put the issue in context.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/17/charlottesville-never-had-to-happen-how-craven-local-politicians-led-our-nation-into-tragedy.html

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Re: @Snoralax @Blotto Trump was right the first time

Son,

You're not intelligent enough to push my buttons.

The sad truth is that you like many others here spout half truth and utter nonsense.

There's an op-ed piece on Fox's site from a resident of Charlottesville who explained what set up this situation.

I point you and others to historical facts that also led to this confrontation, as well as point to the fact that the confrontation could have been avoided.

You spout nonsense out of ignorance. You also misunderstand what I am saying and why I am saying it.

The issue isn't support for neo-nazi, alt-right, white supremacists. The issue is the support for the law that allows them to say what they want. You probably never heard the expression "I disagree with what you are saying, but I'll defend your right to say it.". Its a paraphrase of a quote that was written over 100 years ago.

You clearly aren't an American or understand why we believe in the first amendment rights.

The issue is that you want to shut down speech and ideas that you don't agree with.

You don't want to assign blame to the BLM who were present and are also part of the problem.

You don't want to assign blame to the Antifa who were also present and were shown to be attacking the police prior to the event. And the Antifa are actually acting like fascists by shutting down ideas and speech that they don't like.

You are just as ignorant as the youth in America today. And that's a major problem.

Maybe one day you will learn.

You want to stop racism, you start with educating them.

I personally have stopped several people from being antisemitic. Just by being myself and showing the stereotype to be wrong. What have you done to stop hatred and bigotry?

Grow up. You're heading down the slope of being a fascist and creating the society you claim to hate.

Maybe you should reread Animal Farm? Assuming you read it in the first place.

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@Snorlax... Re: Trump was right the first time

Dude!

You are so utterly clueless.

I bet you support BDS too.

Look mate, I'll break it down for you.

You said :

@Sir Runcible Spoon:"So, the Police should have shut the rally down in the first place once they saw the NN's tooled up, Shirley?"

Anywhere else on earth, yes, that would have been the sensible thing to do.

The problem with Americans is that they think every constitutional right is absolute, and that their rights trump everybody else's.

So, clearly you're not an American and you don't know our history or our laws.

Go back to 1977 (probably before you were born) and check out the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union) supporting the right for a neo nazi maroon to wear a swastika on his arm.

This is also the same maroon who wanted to march his neo nazi group, brownshirts and all , down main street in Skokie IL.

He won.

He made two attempts to march but they were shut down mid march because the police couldn't guarantee their safety. (He gave up on his third attempt.)

Keep in mind, back then, you didn't bus people in, and you didn't need to have weapons.

So, yes the police could have shut down the event in Virginia.

As to our rights.

Yes they do supersede other laws. And what you don't realize is that when you attempt to shut them down, you walk down a slippery slope that ends up with no freedoms and you're in some sort of kafkaesque world.

I don't blame you for your ignorance. Too many Americans also fail to grok the importance of our liberties.

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@Triggerfish ... Re: Trump was right the first time

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Maybe so but I think you are on dodgy ground when you start building an equivalency between Nazis and the other protestors, especially since the Nazi's were mostly brought in from out of state whilst most of the protestors were apparently locals.

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Uhm... no.

Both Antifa and BLM brought in protesters.

You can use google to find the FB comment from BLM asking for PayPal donations to get people to the protest.

Seriously.

You can't make this stuff up, You just need to use google.

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@spoon Re: Once is enough

Is there a viable candidate for the post who does? Genuinely curious.

Since you asked.

Yes.

Of all of the candidates, Kasich, was the closest. However he isn't perfect.

During the primaries, he received the least amount of air time. Trump got a lot of free air time and did the most with it. Either he played the MSM, or the MSM wanted Trump because everyone thought he was a joke and Hillary could beat him.

Biden could have ran, yet didn't. The DNC wanted Hillary and even rigged the system. So its not out of the question that the DNC colluded with the media to get Trump the Republican Nod. Early polls showed that Clinton would lose to Kasich while she would beat Trump.

And its kinda funny how everyone points fingers at the Russians all the while the DNC fixed their primary because Bernie was supposed to lose.

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Re: @Snorlax Trump was right the first time

Son,

First, you said assault rifles.

Those are class III weapons. Under NFA regulation.

Clearly you don't know your gun laws. (NFA is national, yet there are others that vary state by state )

There were no assault rifles present.

(Free clue. I live in Chicago IL. I can legally own an M1A. I cannot own a select fire M14, AR-15, or M-16, M4 or other variants. I cannot place my M1A in certain stocks that have a pistol grip. This is due to Chicago and Cook County gun laws. Of the guns I listed, M-14, M-16 and the M-4 are all select fire rifles which would classify them as assault rifles. The State of IL doesn't allow civilian ownership of NFA regulated weapons. Do you really want to question my knowledge of gun laws and weapons?)

Now with respect to the march, not everyone was carrying a weapon. (The rifles were considered open carry) And funny how in all of the melee there was no firearm discharge, now why was that?

(Again you need to know your gun laws...)

So the only one spouting nonsense is you.

You clearly don't know your gun laws and you clearly don't understand why no firearms were used.

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@Snoralax Re: @Blotto Trump was right the first time

You truly are clueless.

Nobody here is apologizing for the NN and the White Supremacists. Not even Trump.

To clarify,

On the one side which you call Nazis, you had Neo-Nazi, White Supremacits, 'Alt-Right' and other similar groups. It wasn't a single cohesive group. Not to mention a group of people who were protesting the removal of the statues because they wanted to protect our history.

On the other, you had BLM, Antifa, and miscellaneous peaceful protesters. Which in your mind you conflate to 'peaceful protester'.

Sure those who scheduled the rally expected to have a violent opposition.

I would suggest you think of the possible outcomes and how the rally organizers could use it to their advantage.

Clearly you don't think before you post and you clearly haven't a clue about what is going on in this country.

You want to blame Trump, but in truth... most of this started while Obama was President.

To ignore the violence caused by BLM and Antifa not only adds fuel to the fire, but also is unfair because they too share the blame for the violence.

I suggest you look at the March on Skokie IL back in '78.

Nothing happened. Why? Because the police did their job and shut down the march before violence could happen. That didn't happen here. Ask yourself why.

Learn your history son, a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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Re: At least...

Russia? Yes

China? Yes

Norks? No. There are other countries supplying them.

Iran too for that matter.

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Re: Once is enough

Clearly you are not an American nor do you know your history.

If you look at the map of the US, Most of the counties are red. Meaning Trump won most of the US. This is by the electoral college which is in place so that the people are represented. He won because he played by the rules... and many found him to be a better choice than the alternative.

At the same time... there are reports that there are a lot of illegal votes cast. Either by people voting twice, or illegal aliens voting, or even non-resident visa holders. How many is a good guess because no one has taken the time to do a real check. Not to mention the fact that several left wing groups are fighting against it. The motor voter law... the use of a governor's pardon, and down right voter registration fraud all show how non-citizens or those who have lost their right to vote, voted.

And the Dems blamed the Russians...

There are ways to enhance the security of voting (including the use of blockchains) but no one really wants that... which is ironic.

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Re: Trump was right the first time

The KKK aka Clan is dead.

The Southern Poverty Law Center sued them in to bankruptcy and they no longer exist.

The problem is that the group dies but the ideology survives.

And to your point, they will align with the political party which they think represents their values.

What you and others are missing is that there was a resurgence under Obama because they felt marginalized and threatened. I've spent some time in the South. I've met Good Ol Boys and Rednecks. I've seen racists too.

Trump is a lightening rod because he wants to upset the status quo.

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@Snorlax Re: Trump was right the first time

You should get some help for your fixation on guns. I would suggest seeing a doctor, but apparently under the NHS unless you tell them you're suicidal, its a six month wait.

And if you actually bothered to learn your history, you would have looked at the 1977 SCOTUS decision which said that wearing a swastika is protected under the First Amendment. This also led to the 1978 attempts by a neo-nazi to march on Skokie.

If you want you can google some recent articles in the Chicago Tribune that talk about the march as well as the protests around the decision by the Supreme Courts. Very interesting reading.

And there were more than just Neo-Nazis. There were 'alt-right', 'former KKK' and other hate groups making up one side. On the other BLM, and Antifa were also present, armed and looking for a fight. Heck you can even google and find a FB post by BLM looking for Paypal donations to send people in to the city for a fight.

Plenty of blame to go around son... and frankly, you and your lack of thought isn't helping. Nor do you appreciate the larger issue.

If Americans were to make certain ideology groups outlawed, you would have started down the path of who's next? You want to go after Neo Nazis. Sure, I get it, who doesn't? What about the Antifa who's name is ironic because they are acting like the fascists they claim to hate? Black Lives Matter who's marches and protests have caused damage, shut down highways, and have openly called for the execution of the police? (Dallas, Louisiana, NYC just to name a few examples. )

And then you have the BSA (Boy Scouts of America) which has been compared to the Hitler Youth.

(Yes, you too can google it...)

Do you ban the BSA?

Really?

Hopefully now you see the problem.

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@Snorlax Re: Trump was right the first time

I suggest you learn the facts before you spout nonsense.

Not everyone had rifles. And no they were not assault rifles. Class III weaponry is expensive and heavily licensed and regulated.

The police backed off when the antifa members started chucking pop cans filled with concrete.

There are some who are saying that the antifa noticed a pattern of police backing away when challenged with violence. Hence the violence protests. Ferguson, Berkley and others show this pattern to be true.

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@Spoon Re: Trump was right the first time

You are correct, except that the 'NN' wouldn't have attacked the protesters outright. That would have defeated their purpose.

If the NN attacked, then the press would condemn them as thugs out for violence.

If the NN didn't attack, then they can claim that they scared the protesters in to submission and claim victory.

If the NN didn't attack but were attacked, and they defended themselves, they now have cannon fodder to recruit people and more money.

BLM and Antifa both raised funds and attended the protest with the intent to cause violence.

You are correct, the city and the police are to blame. There's more to that than what has been reported in the MSM. It appears the vice-mayor is a bit of a racist with a chip on his shoulder. There are reports that the antifa attacked the police which is why they backed off.

It was a bonfire waiting to happen and multiple groups of people brought fuel and matches to the event.

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Re: Trump was right the first time

@wayward4now:"He needs to realize that the majority in this country are knuckle-dragging idiots who lack a half assed education. "

He knows his supporters only too well.

He does, however, you don't.

Many people voted for Trump for many reasons. Most of all, the other candidate would have been worse.

Do you know why the 'alt right' and 'white supremacits' side with Trump?

Because he's not Obama.

Think about that for a second.

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Re: Worse hatred happens every hour, on the hour...

"Seriously? Violent mobs assemble from out of state and proceed to beat locals up? That happens daily in those places? I guess the MSM just cover that shit up to make us think that Nazis are the baddies......"

No in Chicago there have been cases of violent flash mobs of kids beating up some locals but mainly tourists. But I think that's in the past.

With respect to what happened in Virginia,

Violent mobs attacked another mob who came prepared for violence and the police did nothing.

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@Blotto Re: Trump was right the first time

Don't sell Trump short.

He's human and has his failings.

He's not a great communicator and the MSM and politicians tend to focus on the word and not the thought behind what he is saying.

When both sides bring shields and weapons to a rally, what do you think is going to happen? And do you only blame one side?

The problem is that there are groups of people who want to oust Trump at any cost. This is unfortunate.

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@F Bandersnatch Re: yeah, but ...

I wonder how many forgot that the Germans used IBM equipment during WW2 to help keep accurate records on how many Jews they killed.

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Re: @diodesign FredBed

Needed to clarify...

If you take a cross product of 400 students,

You end up with 160K pairs.

You can filter out (A,B) where A=B pairs.

You can further filter out inverted pairs.

(A,B) = (B,A) keeping only (A,B)

(N^2 - N) / 2 I think.

That would be 79,800 possible pairings.

Subtract from this the set of incompatible pairings. Create a hashmap of the pairings and remove those where (A,B) or (B,A) exist in the hashmap.

Now you have a list of compatible pairings.

Choose a pair at random from the set. (S1, S2)

Then remove pairs from the set that contain either S1 or S2.

Rinse and repeat until you have 100 pairs.

This shouldn't take a computer that long to solve.

So what am I missing?

Besides the fact that there are only 50 rooms or 50 pairs. (doh!) But the problem is the same.

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@diodesign Re: FredBed

Sorry, but what am I missing?

You have a 400 students.

You have an arbitrary list of pairs that represent incompatible sets.

First you load up your list of incompatible pairs in to a hashmap.

Then take the list of the 400 students in to a set. You join the set against itself.

Remove the set of pairs where the same student is joined against himself. (herself to be PC)

Now foreach pair, check it against the hash table. Remove if contained in the hash table.

Now I have a list of all of the possible permutations that are valid.

Now choose 100 pairs from that set and you are done.

So what am I missing?

400 (cross) 400 would yield 160,000 pairs.

This would be trivial to solve. Right?

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@ A non e-mouse ... Re: No-win

Actually were Google to host the site, as long as it doesn't violate their ToS would be a win for Google.

You have to understand that the importance of protecting the First Amendment Rights aka 'Free Speech' is an important American principle. You don't just protect the speech that you approve of, but all speech so that you can have an open society.

While the First Amendment actually calls for the government to limit their censorship and to allow public speaking of ideals which it may find distasteful, by extension corporate enterprises, especially monopolies like Google and even FB also have that responsibility.

Google could have had a massive PR gain had they actually done the right thing.

I don't agree with any of these radical groups to either side of the spectrum, but I do defend their rights to free speech as long as it doesn't call for violence.

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Re: As much as I hate nazis...

Yes, just imagine what democracy would be like if people could vote for whomever they wanted. Thank goodness for the elite who can block candidates they deem inappropriate for mere plebs to choose.

You mean like the DNC promoting a criminal in waiting (Clinton) over what was supposed to be a cream puff in Bernie Sanders?

Naw, that couldn't be it. Us Amerikans are too stupid to see that she and her crew were gaming the system. One could even argue that Trump got a lot of free political air time because the MSM thought Clinton could beat him. (Heck even the Russians and most of the world thought that.)

Free clue. What happened to Bernie was wrong. While I don't agree with his politics, I believe he's sincere in his beliefs and is basically honest for a politician. This is just one example as to why we need to drain the swamp.

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@Shell Loser Re: @Snow

Look,

I agree that GoDaddy could claim that the group violated their ToS for material on the site.

Yet Google refused to host the site prior to any violation of their ToS.

So yes, it does have to deal with political correctness.

Google should have had the balls to host the site and to provide them with a warning that any violations or perceived violations would be grounds for immediate termination of their hosting agreement. That would have shown character and the true American Way.

I don't condone the group or their beliefs. Yet I am an American and I believe in the First Amendment. Note that unlike Germany which has laws against Nazis and Hitler, the US doesn't. So until we do, if these losers want to run around in funny brown uniforms and pretend that they are better than everyone else, there's nothing we can do, but point at them and laugh at them for being silly gits.

You claim that they are 'upholding certain standards'. Yet their actions or in some cases inaction seem to counter that belief.

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@AC ... Re: As much as I hate nazis...

If you don't think this is as much to do with politics, then I suggest they you actually go back to school and learn something...

Case in point. BLM have been well documented for calling for violence against the Police. Multiple occasions in multiple marches.

In Dallas there was a shooting of 5 officers assigned to protect the marchers. (Irony?)

There have been other attacks on police in NY, LA, and other states that could be attributed to the BLM.

DO YOU SEE ANYONE CALLING FOR THEIR SITE TO BE TAKEN DOWN?

And that, sir is the point.

You blame Trump. Seems that you're drinking the MSM kool-aid. (That's a Jim Jones reference)

Trump has nothing to do with this and he was correct in condemning both sides for the violence.

Free clue. Member of the anti-fascists came to protest the rally and they came armed with weapons and shields. That means that they were prepared for violence and it shows premeditation. (Intent and Mens Rea.)

Clearly you don't understand why many voted for Trump. I doubt if I told you, you would understand.

(I guess I could ask you why people voted for Brexit, but again, you wouldn't understand.)

So please get a clue. It would help when discussing a topic.

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@Dan 55 and @AC

I think the point is that the act of creating a site that doesn't call for violence but supports an opinion, regardless of how vile you think it is, should be allowed. While the government legally has no right to hinder the freedom of expression, corporations should allow it if it doesn't violate their ToS. So if you allow BLM to have a web site, PETA, etc... then you should allow these so called 'White Supremacists' to have their web site. (Keeping above ground makes it easier to track... which is another separate benefit).

Its when these sites call for violence that they run afoul of the law and should be shut down. (e.g. ISIS)

That's what is being said.

If you go to the Fox News site, Tucker Carlson had a brilliant commentary on Google as well as had the Google Engineer on to discuss his termination. Regardless of your political leanings, its a really good and thought provoking piece.

The reason I mention it is that the removal of the 'white supremacist' site shows the arbitrary nature of what is and is not allowed to be hosted.

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@SolidSquid

I think you are correct. As far as I know there's no law against 'shouting fire in a crowded theater' and that its merely an example of the limitations of the law protecting free speech.

The point is that courts used it as an example that not all speech is protected and that there are limitations.

You have the right to speak your mind, however when its used to intentionally cause harm that you can run afoul to the law...

The trouble is that its a very difficult case to make.

For example.... you have BLM (Black Lives Matter) and their protests where they have been recorded promoting violence against police. In Dallas 5 police officers were shot and killed protecting BLM marchers by a protester who wanted to kill police.

Can you charge BLM for their actions? (There is a civil lawsuit, but its not a criminal prosecution)

You would have to show that the gunman actions were tied directly to the prior marches and their calls for death to the 'pigs'.

Its not an easy thing to do.

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@Mark 85

Mark,

This is a bit of a Gordian knot. (Note the historical reference...)

Germany had outlawed the use of the Nazi symbol and anything pertaining to Hitler and his Third Reich.

(No need to cite Goodwin, we're discussing history)

The US has the first amendment which means that the US Government can't stop or interfere with any group's right to peacefully protest. While I abhor their message, I will defend their right to say it and protect them from persecution from expressing their opinion. That's the American way.

However, Google is still a private company that hasn't been found to be a monopoly. So its within their right to refuse hosting a site which promotes hate. Same too for Go Daddy. Having said that, I wish that they wouldn't. The reason is that it will force the group(s) to go underground and harder to monitor. Aka hosting their message on the 'dark web'. (Site that look innocent yet go to an image, click on it and enter a secret password to unlock other portions of the site... ) Its important that groups like the Southern Poverty Law Center be able to monitor these groups.

While you speak of civil discourse, things get confusing. Do you condone the violence caused by those protesting the protest? Its one thing to shout down the speaker, its another to come armed ready for violence and to attack the protest.

Here, the police and the local mayor let the people down because they didn't stop the violence. Things did get out of hand.

Trump condemned the violence, on both sides. Yet he was criticized until he strongly condemned the 'white supremacists' and then it was too late. The truth is that if you're going to allow 'anti-fascists' (who act more like fascists they claim to hate) or the BLM which have called for violence against police... both groups have shown acts of violent protests... to not face condemnation, then you can't condemn the 'white supremacists'. To do so would be not only hypocritical but also encourage further acts of illegal 'civil discourse'.

Sorry for the long post. The point is that too many feel justified in their use of violence.

The largest irony is that the protest was about protecting the statues and the historical significance of the men and as a reminder to the American Civil War. If you think about it... the Germans and other countries kept Hitler's death camps around as a reminder of the Holocaust. They could easily have been torn down and plowed over. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.

This is why the whole situation is both prophetic and ironic.

I don't blame Trump, but I do blame Congress, the MSM, and of course our education system where the significance of history is being lost and not taught. Many here were not alive back in 1977 or old enough to understand the significance of the Neo-Nazi march on Skokie IL. Its a shame. IIRC, the number of police in riot gear outnumbered the marchers.

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@The Tick Re: Godwin not applicable here

The issue is that the MSM and Hollywood are against Trump. The Dems are against Trump. So they will take any excuse to go after Trump.

The problem... Trump is actually right on this.

First, as much as we condemn those A holes, they do have the right to gather and spout their carp because of the First Amendment.

What happened in VA over the weekend was that the local Police didn't do their jobs and actually according to some reports made things worse. The police should have spent more of an effort keeping the two groups apart. Didn't have this problem back in Skokie IL or other marches. No riot, no one gives a shit about these neo nazis.

The truth... the Alt-Right wanted the confrontation. Think what would have happened if no one came to listen?

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Re: Godwin not applicable here

FFS,

Go ahead call them a Nazi, cite Goodwin and that's the end of it.

Why the fsck should you waste any time talking about those losers anyway.

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Re: " ..call a spade a spade..."

Would you rather I call a spade a shovel?

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Tech billionaire Khosla loses battle over public beach again – and still grants no access

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@Kain Preacher. Re: @Kev99 Federal public lands law

I went back and looked. There are actually a couple.

Even still, there's some wiggle room that would allow Khosla to fight it and depending on the judges, he could win until the city decided on using eminent domain.

Even there. Khosla is setting himself up for a bigger headache. Imagine if the land was worth 10 million an acre. If his taxes were assessed at that rate, then he would see his taxes jump 25x his current tax rate until he appealed it.

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