@Paul M
Paul, your ad-hominem insults and straw men imply that copyright extenders and extremists don't have a case. Otherwise you wouldn't have to resort to these discredited rhetorical devices.
"I thought Mac zealots were mad! Anti-copyright extremists like Richard Kay almost make them look sane and rational."
Ad hominem insult.
"The comparison of American freedom fighters like Richard Otis to anti social inadequates who don't want to pay for digital music shows how mentally retarded these people are."
Straw man and Ad hominem insult combined in one sentence. Straw man because there are many motivations for opposing copyright extremism and obtaining content free of price is just one of them.
"How on Earth is paying for art that you value oppression?"
Straw man because this isn't my case. Laws which unreasonably prevent people from doing what they are capable of doing are oppression. I'm very willing to debate what is "reasonable" here, but this isn't unlimited in duration and it doesn't extend to locking people up and spying on our communications. Society has to get as much as it can in return if a legal privilege is going to be extended to a minority. If this is to be done at all the legal privilege must be as small as is necessary for the purpose, and fundamental freedoms (to privacy and freedom of expression) are not negotiable in exchange for access to art.
"When I last looked DRM hadn't killed anyone, and paying for music was not compulsory."
Straw man because I didn't claim DRM killed people. I do claim the DRM supportive DMCA was responsible for the pre-trial arrest and detention of Dmitry Sklyarov, in order to suppress discussion of technical details of DRM implementation, contrary to the provisions of the first amendment to the US constitution:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment
"You can always spot a fanatic like Richard Kay because they have lost all sense of proportion."
Ad hominem insult. Was the demonstration I attended outside the US embassy in London over the imprisonment of Dmitry Sklyarov out of proportion to the violation of his first amendment rights as a visitor to the US ? If you were wrongfully arrested, charged and imprisoned awaiting criminal proceedings, would you prefer that people did nothing to question, challenge and confront those responsible ? Copyright extremists lobbied for the DMCA which caused Dmitry to be locked up, and which clearly violates the first amendment.
After that happened I started getting annoyed with periodically being made to watch copyright extremist brainwashing at the start of watching any DVD or going to see a movie. ( the current Userfriendly comic thread shows I'm not the only one fed up with this: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20090101 )
"What a sad and lonely man you must be to take away creator's rights and call it fighting for freedom." More ad hominem insult and straw men.
Paul, please stop and think more carefully about what your side is doing to protect and extend your precious copyrights and try to think a bit harder about this one before you spout any more of your silly insults and construct your ridiculous straw men:
a. Locking Dmitry up and thereby threatening to do the same to others to suppress what we can say about how DRM works.
b. Intercepting our communications in case we're sharing something copyright law says we shouldn't.
c. Brainwashing the public with the same old lies every time one of us watches a movie. Unlicensed copying isn't killing music or film-making as fast as copyright extremism is giving lobbyists for these industries a bad reputation. The arts themselves are very much alive.
It's the copyright extremists and extenders who have lost the plot, not the copyright limiters.