* Posts by Ben Tasker

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Shanghai lockdown: Chinese tech execs warn of supply-chain chaos

Ben Tasker

Re: Get out

> More people die of CANCER, HEART ATTACKS, CAR ACCIDENTS and DRUG OVERDOSES per capita in the USA

None of which are communicated onwards to other people (though I suppose technically you could argue you communicate a car accident onto the person you hit)

> If I Remember Correctly.

The USA lost 301.27 people per 100K to COVID (that's mortality alone, it doesn't include those who were debiliated by it): https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

The cancer mortality rate in the US is dropping, but at it's peak it was 215 per 100,000 (https://www.healthline.com/health-news/cancer-status-report-overall-death-rate-continues-to-drop) - less than covid

Heart disease is normally one of the leading causes of death in the US (https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm), apparently 1 in every 4 deaths is heart disease. But heart attacks are a smaller percentage of that - 805,000 people every year (actually I'm being generous, that's the number of people who have a heart attack, not those who die). With a US population of 329.5m that gives us 8.05 per 100K people.

Drug overdose is apparently 21.6 per 100,000 (https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html)

This has turned into a blob of text though, so lets list these in descending order

- COVID: 301.27 / 100K pop

- Cancer: 215 / 100K pop

- Drug overdose: 21.6 / 100K pop

- Heart Attack: 8.05 / 100K pop

So, no, Bombastic Bob you do not recall correctly. In fact, you're so far wrong as to be talking out of your arse.

Ben Tasker

Re: Get out

That sounds like an argument for the lockdown rather than against it.

What you're effectively saying is that they're lying about the death rate (and potentially the infection rate too) which is much higher.

So, the lockdown has an increased chance of reducing harm, not a diminished one - at least before we factor in the cack-handed approach to things like supplying food.

Ben Tasker

Re: Get out

Read my comment again, and realise that what you're commenting on is the *result* of the lockdown not the cause of it.

There's also a real danger in focusing only on deaths. How many of those 371,997 cases are going to suffer serious long-term effects?

Sorry, but you're wrong on two out of two counts.

Ben Tasker

Re: Get out

> idiotic decisions like locking down 25 million people to prevent 3 deaths

That's not how statistics work

It's not to prevent 3 deaths, it's to prevent many more than that.

The lockdown, as badly implemented as it might be, probably has been successful at reducing covid spread and deaths. You can't really judge how many deaths it might have prevented based on the numbers achieved by the measures.

What you should be arguing is that near death by starvation really isn't much better. They've effectively recreated a plague village, with the citizens being starved for the "benefit" of other areas.

Twitter preps poison pill to preclude Elon Musk's purchase plan

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Re: Content moderation

> If the world ends up misinformed or polarized, that's the world's fault, not Elon's.

Worse, he'll claim that the best way to address fake/false statements is more speech telling the truth.

Which is true, in principle, but tends to fail when you've got someone setting their millions of followers on anyone who points out that they're spreading bullshit and/or putting lives at risk for their own commercial gain.

Stolen-data market RaidForums taken down in domain seizure

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> In the US, all-caps acronyms are a common way for lawmakers to embed some aptly pandering phrase within legislative shorthand. For example, consider the DISCLOSE (Democracy Is Strengthened by Casting Light On Spending in Elections) Act of 2015. Europol, however, appears to have resorted to capital letters merely for emphasis.

It's the same with military ops.

The left-pondians tend to make some kind of political point when naming, whereas we use a computer to generate a random name so we've sonething non-political but specific to call it.

Capitalisation of the name in written comms is the accepted style (although not consistently mandatory)

Take the war in Afghanistan for example:

US: Operation Enduring Freedom

UK: OP HERRICK

Same sort of thing with Iraq

US: Operation Iraqi Freedom

UK: OP TELIC

TBH, I always found the US way weird - there's no real brevity benefit in "Operation Enduring Freedom", you may as well just mention the specific theatre. It also leaves open the chance of a name change if the name becomes inappropriate for some reason.

It's a bit like naming vulnerabilities, it's useful to have a name to refer to things by, but it doesn't need to mean anything (and it doesn't *have* to be a bacronymn)

Atlassian Jira, Confluence outage persists two days on

Ben Tasker

Re: Cloud vs On_Premise

> This is why moving your "stuff" to the cloud is probably not the best option for a lot of people.

Statistically, there are likely some affected users who were all but forced into the cloud.

Atlassian axed their on-prem versions (unless you want to pay for a datacentre license) about a year back.

If you fire someone, don't let them hang around a month to finish code

Ben Tasker

Re: Never risk it

> It can sound harsh, but you've simply got to do it - no matter how much you may think you can trust that person.

I always position it as it protecting that person too.

If someone does something on the system shortly after you've been dismissed, you don't really want there to be any question about it might have been you (if nothing else, you want to be sure you won't be scapegoated).

It protects both sides, which is far less harsh (though still won't feel that way when they come out of the office to find themselves locked out).

Google unrolls search features to tackle misinformation

Ben Tasker

Re: Fact checkers need fact checkers

Well, to be fair, you're not going to state right wing opinions in court having said "I swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth".

Seriously though, got a link to back that up? There's a world of difference between "demonstrated in court" and "found by a court".

Google resumes shoveling stuff into its 'Privacy Sandbox'

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Joke

Re: Totally redundant tech.

Ahhh but last week you bought a lawnmower, surely you'd rather have ads showing all the lawnmower deals you've missed out on for the next 6 months?

British cops arrest seven in Lapsus$ crime gang probe

Ben Tasker

Adding MFA does improve security.

Putting all your eggs in one basket, though, not so much.

The problem with Okta etc is that they're also an authentication provider - they handle your username/password as well as your 2FA. Which makes them both a juicy target and a single point of failure.

But, the counter argument is: do you leave authentication to a specialist, who has the expertise on hand to detect, prevent and deal with stuff like this, or do you keep it in house where you don't have the resources?

Using a 3rd party supplier also helps to potentially avoid a facebook like outage where your own engineers can't get in to fix things because your inhouse auth is down.

But, Okta's failure to tell customers about a suspected compromise really does undermine both arguments, if you can't trust your auth provider....

Complaints mount after GitHub launches new algorithmic feed

Ben Tasker

> And how many of these vocal complainers are actually paying Github for service?

Surely, as they're not paying then, GitHub should *not* give them this new feature and only foist it onto people who've paid for the privilege?

I've only take a quick scan over mine, and there's nothing in there I could ever imagine being worth inclusion in a personalised feed.

Okta now says: Lapsus$ may in fact have accessed customer info

Ben Tasker

Okta's comms have been laughable

Compromises happen, even to authentication providers.

What doesn't instill trust though, has been Oktas communication about the issue.

They've gone from "no, it's just something that happened months ago that we never mentioned" to "yeah, it was months ago, and it turns out they accessed some customer data, we're making contact"

Forensic investigations take time, it's not Okta's fault they only got the report back recently, but they should have been proactively contacting customers *in january*.

They're a gateway to a myriad of other systems, there's absolutely no excuse for having left those systems at risk despite knowing that a "limited" compromise of their own systems had occurred.

All they needed to say was

"Dear customer, we've detected a possible security incident with a third party supplier, we're investigating, but please consider whether you wish to reset access credentials"

Instead they kept quiet and let their customers shoulder the risk.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement for a provider that's supposed to be part of your first line of defence

Epson payments snafu leaves subscribers unable to print

Ben Tasker

Re: HP Are no better

Convenience.

It's as simple as that, the app orders new ink for you when the ink runs low. It's pushed hard and is an easy sell because they aren't upfront about their habit of locking out printers *and* the cost is lower than just buying cartridges (from HP/Epson direct at least)

I've had to spend a lot of time explaining why it's a bad idea.

Brit techie shows us life in Ukraine amid Russian invasion

Ben Tasker
Stop

> While it would be nice to feel good about supplying shelter to the refugees, that is probably best supplied by countries closer to them

I disagree, but even if I didn't - your point would only really be valid if we as a nation explicitly said that.

Rather than

- putting a little paper notice up in Calais

- lying about whether there's an office in Calais

- saying that we're taking refugees but they have to pass all the visa stuff (and pay the fees!) first.

- Complaining that the Irish have taken refugees in the way we should be, and that it might pose a security risk

So, even if your suggestion that other countries are better placed to help them were correct, the way that the Government have handled it has been woefully inadequate.

Taking in refugees doesn't really hamper our ability to supply boomsticks either, so it's not like one actually distracts from the other anyway.

UK Home Office dangles £20m for national gun licence database system

Ben Tasker

Re: Why bother at all ?

> guns over .50 caliber (including artillery and grenade launchers)

What the ACTUAL fuck America?

Ben Tasker

Re: Tracking

> It doesn't do much to directly make a dent in crime since criminals tend to use unregistered illegal guns.

It does make for a slightly easier prosecution when you catch them though. By definition, there needs to be a registration system for anything to be considered unregistered.

> Licensed gun owners are typically very responsible people, have been screened, and secure guns against theft

And again, that's because there's a registration system in place. Without a registration system, there's no *verifiable* screening system in place. Criminals would generally still use stolen firearms, but they'd have a much wider base of people to nick firearms from.

Three Chinese web giants create streaming video 'standard'

Ben Tasker

Re: Won't work.

> If, however, these 'giants' are proposing a closed garden standard, they'd also need to run the access networks and CDN infrastructure, globally.

I can understand you never having heard of Tencent, But Alibaba?

Hint: They've got global CDNs already. Bytedance has been building one too.

If they *don't* share, but are able to show dramatic improvement, then they potentially have a unique selling point to draw publishers to their CDN(s). It never works _quite_ that smoothly in practice, of course.

> I bet they haven't addressed legacy users either, which would be illegal in some territories.

I'll bet you're wrong :)

Flash video is still pretty common in the Chinese market. It's often not played with a Flash plugin anymore though - someone implemented some javascript (flv.js) to consume it and feed it into the browser's native video support.

In my experience, the Chinese video companies is never a lack of support for legacy technologies, if anything it's moving forward onto newer/better standards that's the issue. So the challenge they really face is simplifying that enough to drive adoption - although between them, they own enough of the market that they can focus on their own customer base.

Ukraine invasion: We should consider internet sanctions, says ICANN ex-CEO

Ben Tasker

Re: sigh

> There really is no technical difference between blocking a government-sponsored generator of attacks and a criminal sponsored generator of attack. Likewise for government-sponsored fake news outlets.

But these decisions aren't purely technical.

You're right, at a technical level they're basically identical. The difference lies in the aftermath.

A criminal group cannot use that blocking as "justification" for moving their entire country over to using - in effect - a giant intranet and balkanising their citizens away from inconvenient news sources.

But, it's also not purely a political decision. If you view things as purely political, you get things like politicians trying to hand-wave away things like how encryption works.

You need the input of both, and that's where things tend to be lacking.

Politicians want the war to end, and recognise that one of the ways that happens, is for the truth to spread within Russia. What they may not be so versed on is ways in which that information can be spread. ICANN and the regional registries are in a position to talk authoritatively about the feasibility of a course of action (can we cut them off?) but are not well placed to talk about what it'd impact - a registry doesn't tend to be that involved in trying to infiltrate information.

So now you're looking at a much broader swathe of expertise needed - even before you start to ask the really difficult questions (

- do we have people on the inside?

- how are they exfiltrating information?

- Is any action likely to hamper their ability, or put them in danger?

- How do we even begin to gauge that, given the intelligence services aren't going to tell us?

If the aim is to try and stop the war, then fucking with connectivity is the wrong answer. If the aim, in the longer term, is to try and reduce Russia's ability to attack others then that doesn't need to be rushed, and things can be properly considered.

Governments have access to a whole swathe of information, some of which will never be made public (for obvious reasons), so they can assess some of the impacts. Private bodies do not, and should not, have access to the same level of detail - so they're poorly placed to be making this kind of scale of decision.

Ben Tasker

sigh

> something ought to be done.

Some of the most dangerous words in the english language. Those words are why politicians, and any one with a modicum of power, end up doing stupid things just to be seen to be doing something.

We know there are controls that could be used, but we also know that Russia (and China for that matter) have both suggested and supported the idea that each country should have it's own little internet instead of a global one.

Enacting measures like those described will hasten the balkanisation of the internet, that these two already want (and realistically, there are other nations too). It doesn't matter that the measures try to only target military/dual-use, the eventual consequences will impact civillian usage too.

Hitting Russia with economic sanctions is the right thing to do, but politicising network connectivity (no matter how just the cause) is a bad idea. We need to be using it to get more information *in* to places like Russia, not doing things that make little difference (they spread a good chunk of disinformation via social media anyway), but help them justify reducing their citizens access to sources of truth.

Where are the (serious) Russian cyberattacks?

Ben Tasker

Re: "Putin may not be insane"

> Except for the fact he published that 5,000 essay at the beginning of the year about how Ukraine didn't really exist, and that Ukrainians were only Russians with funny accents, misled by evil Westerners and Nazis into believing otherwise. Before his videotaped screeds after recognising the Donbas republics and then on the day of invasion - where he said Ukraine didn't really exist and was a historical mistake of Lenin's - and should really be part of Russia.

And of course that, a few days after the invasion started, both RIA Nostova and Sputnik accidentally published a declaration of victory including a statement that "Vladimir Putin took upon himself a historic responsibility, by deciding not to leave the resolution of the Ukrainian question to future generations".

https://web.archive.org/web/20220226051154/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html

ICANN responds to Ukraine demand to delete all Russian domains

Ben Tasker

Re: They won't and can't get everything they ask for.

> Update all those DNS records to stop sending traffic to/from Russia until/unless Russia stops the electronic warfare via the global network. Over their own infrastructure without using global resources, sure, but absolutely not over the general global internet.

That's not how DNS works, at all.

It's basically a distributed phonebook, it doesn't control the flow of traffic.

If your suggesting everyone should reconfigure their recursors not to respond to Russian IPs then - slow clap - at best you've just slowed the flow of truth into Russia. Russian ISPs run their own recursors, so the majority of users won't notice.

If you're suggesting everyone should update their authoritatives to not respond to russian recursors, good luck with getting that in place.

The internet is part of how we get the truth into Russia - showing what's really happening, and undermining the states lies. Fucking with connectivity harms that goal, whilst doing very, very little in terms of positive impact

Govt suggests Brits should hand passports to social media companies

Ben Tasker

Increased exposure for no gain

They want people to hand over details of their passport and build a treasure-trove of PII just waiting to leak.

For what gain? It won't make the blindest bit of difference to levels of online abuse/hate. Just look at the reports from Twitter et al whenever they have to block accounts for racist abuse towards footballers: the accounts are almost always in the user's own name. We *already* have the ability to identify a significant number of those throwing abuse around and laws to catch a lot of it (there are gaps, admittedly), what we lack is the resources to actually pursue it in any meaningful way.

Rather than twatting about building up stockpiles of data-protection disasters, why doesn't the government look at properly reversing it's under-resourcing and under-funding of both the Police and the Criminal Justice System. It doesn't matter what new crimes you create when there's a years long wait for justice.

There's stuff in the Online Harms/Safety Bill I do agree with, but the vast majority of it is tech-illiterate and dangerous. It'd be better to scrap the whole thing and start with a new, more tightly scoped bill to introduce the specific new offences that are actually required.

Users complain of missing data in UK wills search service

Ben Tasker

Me too. It was a KeePassX generated password that fell foul of the stupid requirements earlier.

It's generator lets you exclude characters (or only include specific ones), which is great - but only when the site tells you what they'll accept.

Ben Tasker

By sheer coincidence, I was using this service earlier.

It's not just the search they've made a hash of. Actually creating an account on there was a pain because they've made a mess of enforcing password requirements - https://twitter.com/bentasker/status/1495717477208236040

When you enter a password that doesn't meet requirements, the interface will

- Display your password in the clear

- Tell you it must have at least one lowercase letter, at least one uppercase letter, one special character and at least one digit.

At which point you (and anyone looking over your shoulder) will read your password and think "but it meets that?". They've done that old thing of not including all special characters, and not telling you which they don't accept.

The ones I could find that aren't accepted are =\+.

Eventually, I had a password accepted because it had a ? in it.

Until I saw this story, I'd assumed it was some cruddy old implementation that noone had bothered to drag into the modern world...

We get the privacy we deserve from our behavior

Ben Tasker

Re: confused

> But they have a duty to use them only for the reason I am obliged to give that to them, and not collect more than is needed.

That, incidentally, was why a lot of people objected to the expansion of questions in the UK census - technically you're obliged to answer all questions, but those questions now cover things that people consider private.

I don't mind providing information when it's necessary, but where you're legally compelled to it should absolutely be minimised.

In an arms race with criminals to protect our privacy, it's too early to admit defeat

Ben Tasker

Re: RIPA

That about sums it up.

I don't know if you remember, but not long after RIPA came in, it turned out local councils were using it's powers to catch people who put their bin out the day before, and/or not cleared up after their dog.

I know, I know, it sounds like I should be making it up, and yet:

- https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/25/british-councils-used-investigatory-powers-ripa-to-secretly-spy-on-public

- https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3333366/Half-of-councils-use-anti-terror-laws-to-spy-on-bin-crimes.html

Examples:

> are using the powers to hide cameras on lamp posts, in tin cans, or even in the homes of other neighbours in order to catch people who put their rubbish bins out early.

> ..

> It put a family under secret surveillance for two weeks to find out if they really lived in a school's catchment area.

RIPA has always been an utter bonfire of sanity. They "fixed" that power so that criminal activity now needs to be suspected, but it just goes to show just how far officials will go if given a little bit of power.

Ben Tasker

Re: I note this is a very secure vote

I quite often find with El Reg's debates that the submissions seem to be answering different questions.

This interpreted the question the way my initial reading of it did, whereas yesterday's was much more along the lines of "you should think carefully about what you transmit".

Very, very different topics

IT technician jailed for wiping school's and pupils' devices

Ben Tasker

Re: Don't people need a DBS check?

> caused them physical and psychological harm

Playing Devils advocate here, whilst there's no physical harm, his actions have impacted many more people than your average assault. The article contains a couple of examples of families who've lost some irreplaceable photos too, so there is *some* harm.

Then factor the background in: it's not like he was fired because the boss didn't like him. He failed to declare fraud convictions, so was sacked when they came to light - then *years* after did this.

This isn't someone who acted in the heat of the moment after being wronged: he was sacked for something of his own doing and held a grudge, and acted years later. His actions impacted not just his ex-employer but the students (who the measures that got him sacked are supposed to protect) and their families.

If you're comparing sentences,I wouldn't say this is especially harsh - I'd say your assualt conviction examples were perhaps lenient (though circumstances play a part there).

Reality check: We should not expect our communications to remain private

Ben Tasker

Re: Privacy. We've heard of it.

I wonder if it comes down to interpretation of the question itself ?

When I first read the title, in my mind it was asking something more like "Should we not be able to expect our communications to remain private?" - i.e. is it reasonable of us to continue to expect there to be some attempt to protect that privacy. I guess the current climate - with the Govt trying to knacker E2E - feeds in some additional context.

I don't expect anything I transmit to remain private (so I'd vote For), but I *do* think we should expect Government not to try and outright nobble the protections we do have.

If I'd read the title and not the article body, I'd have ended up voting against - I wonder if that's part of why the result is skewed the way it is?

Your data centre UPS could feed power to the smart grid, suggests research

Ben Tasker

Re: How much power do DC UPS's have anyway

> If you can get 50x the size of battery you would otherwise install or more for the same price

But as DevOpsTimothyC has pointed out, your bigger batteries are now taking more space in the datacentre.

You can argue some of the space was "dead" anyway, but not all of it will have been, and space in a room full of server racks is most valuable when used for.... renting out racks.

With your suggested approach

- you still have the capital cost of the UPS (because the utility is only really covering the extra)

- you'll have higher install/compliance costs because of the massively increased capacity of the system (but, the utility may subsidise that)

- Ongoing maintenance will likely be more expensive, but you've said the utility is covering that

- You've got more floor space taken up by the UPS (you don't get 50x capacity without an increase in size), so may have had to remove a couple of racks

Essentially, you've saved on some UPS maintenance costs (which aren't that high for the routine stuff) whilst reducing your source of income. Unless the utility has also significantly reduced the per-unit cost of your electricity, you've made a loss. You certainly aren't going to make that back from payments for what you feed back in.

And that's *before* you get onto the issues with trusting the utility's commitment that they'll maintain it (and ensure you have enough power). If it turns out they cut corners, then at best you get an outage (losing you customers) and at worst you follow the path some of OVH's datacentres took last year.

For the DC provider, there really isn't much of an upside.

Ben Tasker

Re: Am I Missing Something

You can see the conversation now

CEO: We specced and paid for UPS capacity to cover a 2 hour outage, why did it fail after 80 minutes?

Eng: Because Clive signed up to exporting our "excess" to the grid - it's only supposed to use about 10%, but turns out the cells have cycled a lot more than we expected.

50 lines of Bash to bring a Wordle fan out of their shell

Ben Tasker

> We'll also draw a discreet veil over the likes of Sweardle, a four-letter guessing game that is as potty-mouthed as you would expect.

I'm disappointed.

Really struggled with it, couldn't think of a 4 letter swear word that ends with E.

The answer was "lube" - I don't care what you do with it, that's not a fucking swear word

Attack on Titan: Four Japanese Manga publishers sue Cloudflare

Ben Tasker
Joke

Your honour, he was using Wifi therefore he broadcasted the content!

Ben Tasker

> Why stop there? Lets takedown all the DNS servers.

I know this was an offhand comment, but don't tempt them. The EU already want to set up their own DNS servers with support for filter lists and network blocks....

Website fined by German court for leaking visitor's IP address via Google Fonts

Ben Tasker

Re: So if

That's not what you need to do though - all you need to do is to have the user consent to it/give them the choice to object.

Your example of open street maps isn't the same either - fonts can quite trivially be self-hosted, it's not nearly so simple to self host Open Street Maps (there's stuff like OpenMapTiles, but it's still more involved than downloading a font).

When forgetting to set a password for root is the least of your woes

Ben Tasker
Joke

Re: Nobody told me I wasn't allowed to do it.

> And they didn't have a test system.

They did. Every company has a staging/test system it's just that some are fortunate enough to also have a seperate production system.

UK Home Secretary Priti Patel green-lights Mike Lynch's extradition to US to face Autonomy fraud charges

Ben Tasker

Re: Let the Lynching Begin

I think they were suggesting the locals would dispense some extra-judicial "justice". Which is even more insane than you seem to have thought they meant.

UK government responds to post-Brexit concerns and of course it's all the fault of those pesky EU negotiators

Ben Tasker

> so why would you expect strong opinions either way?

That only matters if we were talking about another vote - we're talking about comments on a forum.

Even those who didn't feel strongly enough to go out and vote at the time are likely to hold an opinion, and it doesn't need a strong opinion to have a grumble about how Brexit's negatively affected them.

It's weird one too, because whilst 36%ish voted for Brexit, it's not a given that all (or even the majority) of those support the Brexit that we've been delivered, so you might also see them grumbling in comments (even if they'd still vote for Brexit given another chance).

HPE has 'substantially succeeded' in its £3.3bn fraud trial against Autonomy's Mike Lynch – judge

Ben Tasker

Re: "The finding is a massive victory for HPE"

I don't think it's an either/or to be honest.

I agree that HPE _should_ have paid more attention and applied a more common sense, but that doesn't and shouldn't let Lynch off the hook.

Take this as an example

> there was a carousel of cash flowing back and forth to generate a fake impression of real sales and real revenues

That's not the action of a company acting in good faith.

We're not talking about a bloke who was simply offered an unbelievable sum and went "Oh, all right then", the allegation is that he went out of his way to artificially inflate the perceived value.

If you apply caveat empor and let him off the hook, then you're saying it's OK for others to do similar with all the fallout that potentially entails.

Essentially, HPE's auditors failed to do their jobs properly, and in doing so, failed to pick up on stuff that Autonomy should not have been doing in the first place. They're both in the wrong.

Whether it should be extraditable is a whole other matter, of course.

Google sours on legacy G Suite freeloaders, demands fee or flee

Ben Tasker

Re: Just great.

> I have no idea if Google lets that go quickly, or if they hit you with bandwidth throttling after a certain amount of data

FWIW, my 15GB mailbox took about 4 hours - not lightning fast but not terribly slow either.

Just in case noone else has linked it, there's a small possibility of a u-turn: https://twitter.com/RonAmadeo/status/1486407745867849728

Ben Tasker

Re: Zoho email

I've gone the Zoho route as well - migrated us over today.

No real gotchas other than finding their docs for migrating Drive into WorkDrive miss an important thing (search for today's post on my site if you want/need to know more).

Also, I noticed something in Google's docs on upgrading to Workspace

> If you don’t upgrade to a Google Workspace subscription, you will not lose access to other Google Services, including YouTube, Google Photos, and Google Play, nor paid content, including YouTube and Play Store purchases.

It's buried in the FAQ section at the bottom.

So, good news, we're not (yet) going to be cheated out of our Play store purchases!

Ben Tasker

Re: Migration of Apps and Movies

Looks like they're not going to lock us out of stuff like Play

> If you don’t upgrade to a Google Workspace subscription, you will not lose access to other Google Services, including YouTube, Google Photos, and Google Play, nor paid content, including YouTube and Play Store purchases.

They've done a crap job of making that clear though, I only noticed the FAQ's by chance - the statements they've made in the main documents are a bit wishy-washy and unclear

Ben Tasker

Re: And this is what happens when

> In your case if you just move your custom domain email hosting to another provider wouldn't all the services tied to those email addresses just move along with it?

No, you're thinking services as in "I signed up to Facebook with this email", but that's not what we're concerned about (as you say, those don't really care)

It's stuff linked to the underlying Google account that's the issue - so stuff where you've used Single Sign On, your Android phone etc. Google drive documents will be a pain for some too.

Worst of all, Google don't provide a means to migrate Play purchases to another account, so any money spent on Apps/Media is essentially pissed up the wall.

Having had AfD for about 15 years, there's potentially a lot to unpick, and not that much time to do it.

Ben Tasker

Re: Just great.

> appreciate people's advice on any alternative free services for those like myself that use G Suite mainly for email with the ability to use your own domain name

I've got some that are not *free* but aren't overly expensive

Zoho: was looking at this this morning, they've got a mail only tier for £0.80/user/month, mail and storage £3.20/user/month, full productivity £2.40/user/month: https://www.zoho.com/workplace/pricing.html?src=wp

Mythic: I use Mythic beasts to host one of my mail domains, it's like £2.00/month (total, not per user). You get IMAP/POP access and a decent amount of storage (in mail terms). - https://www.mythic-beasts.com/hosting

I'm considering both as options, I've been working on freeing us of Google for some time, but mail+accounts were something of a sticking point (a lot of work, especially when it's free). Also considering O365, but now less sure on that

Ben Tasker

Re: Dang! It's half price for the first year though..

Depends on the package you go for.

The lowest one is $3/month/user until July next year and then goes up to $6/mo/user. The one above that is $6/mo/user til July next year, then $12/mo/user

It's free from now until July too - they obviously want us to upgrade rather than waiting for the free to run out

Ben Tasker

Damn....

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You can use vanity domains with the Family account. I read somewhere (including the MS forums) that you have to use GoDaddy as a registrar for this, but the docs don't support it, so it may be that requirement has dropped.

For what it's worth, you get a *lot* more storage with MS than with Google (1TB vs 30GB) on those two plans - isn't really a selling point for me as I store almost everything in Nextcloud, but means it's hard to apples-apples the price.

MS do also do a cheaper version that only has email and Onedrive (i.e. no office access - £3.80/user/month), but the exclusion of Office means you've still got to find a replacement for Docs (assuming you were using it).

Zoho look good on price - £2.40/user/month for mail and their docs replacement, or £3.20/user/month if you only want mail (guessing the price is higher because they want to drive uptake of the other).

I'm currently trying to decide whether I'm willing to pay a (slight) premium to not have Google's mitts on my data (leaning towards yes). The sticking point for me is still the SSO stuff. I *think* you can still create a sign-in account (i.e. no mail, docs etc etc), but haven't the foggiest whether existing stuff will transfer over or not.

Google dumps interest-based ad system for another interest-based ad system

Ben Tasker

I use cookie autodelete - you can whitelist domains or even individual cookies. It kills the cookies a set time after leaving a site

UK government opens consultation on medic-style register for Brit infosec pros

Ben Tasker

Re: Probably not a bad idea

> IT is in our lives which presents a risk to our lives. I would like to think there is at least some governance of compentency and standards.

The problem is, taken to it's extreme, this might well result in a reduction in security.

There are lots and lots of little issues that get reported to companies by independent researchers - none on their own are particularly ground breaking, but each of those reports helps fix products/systems in little ways.

If we consider two points together

- Those independent researchers don't generally bring in much in the way of bounty money, so they're not going to be up for paying fees of a professional organisation.

- The Govt has already hinted that they'd like to tie this to CMA protections, so in effect, if you haven't paid your fee you could end up being prosecuted (not unlike someone practising medicine without paying their dues to the GMC).

it's hard not to reach the conclusion that more than a few of those researchers just won't bother any more.

Bigger companies might have some "certified" people on-board, but there's plenty that slips past in-house teams (it just the nature of the beast).

This is no less dumb an idea than the idea ages back (christ, it has been a while) to require a license to possess "hacking tools" (which ended up encompassing Perl, if you read it literally enough).

What's actually happened, is the UKCSC has failed in one of it's core missions - driving engagement. They've failed to win the trust of organisations and professionals. Rather than doing that hard work of investigating why, and how to do better, they're instead pushing for legislative capture as a "quick fix".