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Home Office told to stop telling EU visa porkies

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Re: @codejunky

@Dr. Mouse

"Actually, he was arguing that we would not be in a strong praising, but that doesn't necessarily mean a weak position. There is a middle ground. Your assertion is incorrect."

I responded to what he wrote. How do you come to the conclusion he has a different meaning to what he wrote? My assertion is correct to his comment.

"It was made clear that we couldn't have all the benefits of membership without following all the rules. There was always a negotiation to be had, but the red lines set by May and the Brexit extremists left very little room for negotiation."

So we are either in or out. That isnt badmouthing the EU, you must be part of it or not it isnt a buffet. The negotiation aspect of how much in the EU we are, but we must be in the EU to get the benefits of it. Precisely what we voted against.

"There would be no border between NI and the rest of the UK under the negotiated backstop, as the UK would remain in the customs union until an alternative was found."

So the UK remains stuck in the EU and paying them with less of a voice than we had before. Which is not what we voted for. We voted to leave. The backstop being to put NI under more EU rule than the UK.

"The problem is that the USA know that few would buy their crap, even if it was significantly cheaper, so would insist on food labelling changing so we couldn't tell the difference."

And of course we can say no. So what?

"If food standards were lower, would our own farmers keep higher standards, or would everyone drop to the lowest common denominator?"

Our laws force them to be the higher standard dont they? Otherwise we already would do it. Because as high and mighty as we like to pretend we will buy what is cheaper. And that would force the farmer to provide as the customer wants. That being why the EU doesnt want to allow the competition because of protectionism.

"Do you understand how fragile the peace is in NI? How often it is broken by both sides?"

And thats as it is now. If we dont change it any.... then it dont get any worse. If the EU want to kick that hornets nest the EU can have another interfering cockup on their record.

"It would mean both sides completely giving up on controlling the borders between them, which is one of the things Brexit was supposed to be about."

I think remainers get hung up on the word control. Think in the context of sovereignty, its ours to control. As we like, as we choose, as we please. The sham border that already exists makes the point that there is nowhere for an actual hard border unless we want to wall off the two sides. Ireland doesnt want to, the UK doesnt want to.... so its up to the EU if they want to spend on it or not. If they dont then NI is UK, RoI is EU and life goes on. Ireland probably benefits greatly from being both in and out of the EU.

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