Reply to post: Re: Lithium Ion Is not the answer

Electric cars can't cut UK carbon emissions while only the wealthy can afford to own one

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Re: Lithium Ion Is not the answer

"the sunk cost of CO2 used in manufacture of Li ion batteries exceed the emmisions of a modern diesel ICE over 9 years"

No, it doesn't unless you are looking at edge cases where they use Coal Powered energy to create all the batteries. However we'll discount the same country making the diesel engine and then all the production of the Diesel to run it.

"The majority of Lithium extraction is not from Australia, but from South America "

2018 figures:

Australia 51,000 Metric Tonnes

Chile 16,000 MT

Argentina 6,200 MT

Brazil 600 MT

So, about that Lithium claim?

"Cobalt in the Cathode, is only available in central affrica"

The main producer is DR Congo, correct. Not all is mined by hand and most buyers are trying to ensure it isn't. However, "only available..."

Yes, apart from Russia, Cuba, Australia, Philippines, Canada, Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, China, Brazil, New Caledonia, South Africa and Morocco

Apart from those it is only available in Central Africa (oh and the countries that haven't decided to mine for it yet.

"a Li Battery 8 if your lucky, and then its basically shot, and the majority of the raw materials have been consumed."

A new Tesla Model 3 battery will last about 400,000 miles after which it can and will be used as power storage and/or recycled. In a couple of years it is expected to last 1 million miles. New generation EV batteries will be similar (basically life of the car).

The raw materials in an EV battery don't get 'consumed'. Generally they create a build up on either the anode or cathode (different processes) which reduces their effectiveness and so degrades their total capacity to hold a charge.

Not quite a good enough understanding of the subjects, I'm afraid but there's always room to learn.

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