Re: boys flogging themselves
@ Colin
KDE 3.5.10 was the last good version of KDE before the abomination of 4 (don't know about 5, KDE had lost me by then). I usually upgrade to a new version of Linux by getting a new drive and retire the old drive. For a while I used to pop the old OpenSUSE drive back in just to see KDE 3.5.10 for a nostalgia trip - I don't remember what I changed to, then I found Mint Gloria and have been a very, very happy Mint with Cinnamon user ever since.