@Ken Hagan: Re: Ahh yess
So you seriously think that my (almost) elderly father shouldn't have AV running on his new win 8.1 gaming box?
I know full well that AV isn't a universal panacea, but expecting Mr/Mrs Average to practice 'safe computing' is of little use in the real world!
Meanwhile, back in the real world...
I au fait with win 286-8.1, penguin boxen, my day-to-day box is a MBP Parallels & Win 7, most folk aren't!