Reply to post: Re: btrower The gloves are off

Nothing illegal to see here: Tribunal says TEMPORA spying is OK

Matt Bryant Silver badge

Re: btrower The gloves are off

"At its heart, the right to privacy is another aspect of the right to security of the person....." But doesn't your right to security oblige the authorities to have the powers and means to ensure your security as but they can? You can't have one without the other.

".....Our society and government are contingent upon covenants that we make among one another. Our current emerging police state is able, for now, to breach the covenant by the illegitimate use of force...." Firstly, how are they using 'force' illegally, and how is their duty to protect the public not part of said covenant?

".....It remains unlawful in any meaningful sense...." Bullshit. It remains completely lawful as you have failed to show how it has breached any actual law.

".....Constant surveillance of ourselves and our loved ones in our private lives, our correspondence and our relationships is not something we could have sensibly agreed to...." And is not happening. Metadata collection in no way whatsoever corresponds to surveillance or interference in your private lives. Try keeping one foot in reality and not succumbing to paranoid delusions and melodramatic headlines, it would help.

".....No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy, family, home or correspondence....." But again, you have failed to show that is happening. Once again, it is a case of show me the harm you insist is being done.


".....Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure....." Yet it is legal under RIPA and therefore NOT unreasonable nor illegal (and still nothing to do with Canada).

".....The United States Constitution....." Wow, your geography is really bad! Again, GCHQ = UK.....

".....The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures....." Any TEMPORA intercepts are not on US soil, so you are wrong even before we get to their legality under RIPA.

".....The Human Rights Act 1998 (the “Act”) incorporated the European Convention on Human Rights (the “Convention”) into UK law. Article 8(1) of the Convention provides that “everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.”....." Does not apply as your right to privacy has not been breached, as already established by the ECHR (see the BBC article previously linked).

All you are doing is repeating a lad of laws and conventions that do not apply. Fail!

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