Brits don't want in-flight calling A new survey reveals that the majority of Brits don't want regulations on in-flight calling relaxed... a shame since those regulations were relaxed more than two years ago. Online store Mobile Phone Expert asked more than 1500 people if they "welcomed the change in legislation that allows passengers to use their mobile phones …
The extortionate roaming bills will mean that the regular yappers won't be yapping on their mobiles anyway.
Actually, I'm much more annoyed by frickin' crying babies on flights. The human brain is hard-wired to respond to those, so a baby crying will wake you up, and won't let you sleep. Arrrgh!
when your employers are footing the bill (and you can pass it off as a works call).
Planes should stay phone-call free. Data services are a great idea- business types can keep up-to-date with emails (and even faxes for those really old-school businesses), young 'uns have an Interweb full of flash games to play (on silent or with headphones). But phone calls shouldn't be allowed.
Actually, could they allow them but only after a crash? I'd imagine that it'd be pretty useful to have 2-way [essentially] satellite comms if you crashed but survived, especially with modern GPS-enabled handsets. Survive the crash, whip out the ol' HTC and call the emergency services/your local embassy/whatever. Give them your GPS co-ordinates and bang, 2 days later help arrives.
In my experience, flights are a strange (very un-English) microcosm, where people who're annoying tend to be dealt with as a collective. If it's 4 in the morning and everyone's trying to sleep, and someone starts yacking, everyone will glare them into silence pretty sharpish.
Of course I've never been on a flight with drunken men or women (sorry ladies but I hear you're the worst), going to a stag or hen do. I can only imagine what special kind of hell that must be.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/Design/graphics/icons/comment/thumb_down_32.png I get annoyed enough on the train when people feel the need to shout or atleast talk louder then required about a subject i dont really want to be hearing, actually whatever the subject is i dont care, i dont buy heat! it is possible to leave you phone and spesh if going on holiday.
Do roaming charges apply whislt int he plane?
If they do go ahead with it, make them pay. i dont want my seat price going up for the offchance i might need to make a call.
According to the article the mobile handset doing its regular logging into the network costs the airline money, so they will want to turn down the regularity of this (which is possible in GSM IIRC).
I wonder what shenanigans you could have by leaving your mobile on but not making/taking any calls, or sending SMS. Costs the airline money without them making any back. Only problem would be if they charge you for receiving SMS but AFAIK no UK operator charges for receiving SMS when roaming anywhere (YMMV).
A small hit back against those nice reasonable charges to check in (which are of course optional and avoidable but only if you don't want to take the flight you've booked).
Not just to block the screaming kids, but the annoying games consoles, the irritating safety announcements and intrusive in-flight sales too.. I just hope my plane isn't doomed to crash, the first I'd know about it would be the oxygen mask, or the seat in front, banging me on the head (which might not be such a bad way to go).
If one's staff are so inept that they can't cope for the few hours while one is out of contact due to a flight, then one has hired the wrong people or failed to train them adequately. What do they do when one is asleep? Or on holiday? Or ill?
And if the answer is "Well, I'm big and important and I am the only one who can make decisions. Plus it makes me look big and important to the plebians." then...[slow clap] you have just gone and made yourself a single point of failure. Way to go.
We don't need "always on", all we need is a little bit of fore-thought. Proactive, not reactive.
As someone who takes at least one long haul trip each month I can attest to the fact there are already enough noise generators on board what with all those seemingly abandoned children who derive some sort of pleasure from running up and down the aisles, screaming awakening sleeping passengers, knocking arms whose attached hand is often carrying a glass filled with liquid and causing the long suffering cabin crew additional hassles during trolley service.
Then someones sweethearts discover the light and call buttons to complete the cabin crews work days.
I have seemingly developed quite an effective 'angry stare' technique that gives all but the most reckless child second thoughts on passing my seat. In the event this fails, my feet are equally adept at causing little Johnny to trip with similar effect.
If an adult passenger made proportionately as much noise as these unruly kids they would be restrained and confined to their seats.
All we need in the cabin, to go along with those little bastards who make a habit of hanging over the back of the seat in front of you are a bunch of adults shouting in to cell phones describing the cloud formations the aircraft is passing.
Cell communications should be limited text messaging only and the femto cell emitting a 'vibrate only' instruction to further minimise additional sounds.
The only relief we can expect is that the charges will be so high that only the expense sheet gang in Business or First classes will be persuaded to call.
I would happily pay a premium to be on the one out of three or four services per day to each destination that was guaranteed to have no children on it. No little wankers running up and down, kicking the back of your seat for 10 hours or crying.
Come on BA, sort out your cashflow and sell the premium option that is actually worth paying for.
Of course, the first class passengers on these "no aggravating little tossers" flights should also get the privilege of throwing the lagered chav (or chavette) from economy class out of the door without a parachute in mid flight.
that my mother had few qualms about a spanking in such a situation. It worked, and if I had toddlers behaving in such a manner, they'd get spanked too.
You simply can't go all wooly-minded liberal and scream child abuse while throwing discipline out the window. Sometimes a short sharp smack is the only message that works, and I speak as a recipient of many; and now, and near-death embarrassment while my parents recount to people the way I was when I was little. Hell, I'd have spanked me!
. . . should properly read what was written.
It doesn't say at any point that you shouldn't be allowed to fly with your little noise maker.
It does say that he's willing to pay a premium for a flight where you aren't allowed on it with your little noise maker.
I'd say he was being pretty restrained. Personally I think we should stop giving cut price fares to children - the weight may decrease the burden on flight costs, but they increase exponentially the stress of everyone else on the flight.
Those annoying kids will often have equally annoying parents - they didn't get that way through chance. Whilst unruly kids can be irritating (the cabin crew can always tell the parents to get control of them), loud mouths are even more so. Nobody likes the use of the "outside voice" in a confined space.
Phones should be banned! Its the same on the Underground. We already have to put up with packed trains where people REFUSE to travel without holding a bloody newspaper, a book or some other form of gadgetry, which, if were not in the hands of commuters during rush hour, would free up more space for more commuters to actually get on a train!!!
Anywho - wifi on planes would be great fun! :)
Oh, shoot. I don't have a learjet. Well, rubbish idea then. Boo! Away with it! We don't need more noise in cattle class. Half-conversations are worse than hearing both sides, by the by, even if it turns out both sides are making a big show out of having exactly nothing worthwhile to say.
Anyway, didn't we have to turn off the old mobe because it would somehow interfere with the avionics? Woulnd't a base station on board be worse in that respect? No, this is not critique at all sir, the very idea. Just asking. As an interested bystander, you know. Just asking is all.
@Jaitch: yes, there's always one miserable, self-important toe rag who scowls like a bulldog's jaksie after a night on the chilli and guinness, the moment a kid walks onto 'their' plane. Nice to be able to put a name to the face.
"Little bastards who hang over the seat in front..." etc? Anyone who made those noises in front of a kid of mine would end up enjoying his executive mini-scotch bottle as an enema.
"Little bastards who hang over the seat in front..." etc? Anyone who made those noises in front of a kid of mine would end up enjoying his executive mini-scotch bottle as an enema.
Nice - your attitude probably explains why your child would be singled out for misbehaving. Little Johnny's behaviour is only 'cute' or 'inquisitive' to the parents. He is not special, he is not a beautiful or unique snowflake. He's the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
If you can't keep your kids under control and keep them behaving like civilised memebrs of society they are either too young to be in that situation or you fail as a parent. But why not have a pop at someone else about it. After all, it couldn't be your fault your kid is an annoying little twat now could it?
Last time i flew transatlantic the plane had those little handsets in the armrests that were controls for the (touchscreen) TV in front of you but were also capable of making calls. Purely out of interest i checked how much it cost, and it said $2.00 connection fee and $6.00/minute which personally i wouldn't pay unless it was a serious emergency
Good grief. Can we NEVER get away from the damn things? Despite all my techie toys (and I have quite a few!), a phone leaves me totally and utterly stone cold. I have the cheapest, nastiest PAYG phone I could lay my hands on and rarely use it. It's kept mainly for emergencies and the very rare occasion that really, REALLY justifies its use. If I'm socialising, it gets turned off and hidden away in the car. If I was a pub landlord or restaurant manager, I would ban the cursed things! Can't understand why folk are so addicted to inane chatter and texting that they even have to do it during a meal! Absurd.
Now I know to go on holiday to places that can be reached by other modes of transport. Air flight (what with screaming meemies and pervscans and now maybe mobile-bloody-phones) sounds absolutely frightful. I'd rather WALK to Japan [errr, from north-west France] than suffer a flight like that!
Data would be nice though :/ , although I am ready to bet that the beeps of messaging devices would still polute the engine noise.
I think it works at with the prohibitive price, no fools are stupid/rich enough to yap for an hour on their phone in economy class.
As for the kids ... I don't fly toddlers, because ... they are not old enough, and don't impose them on other people, that is because I chose to have them, and other people didn't (@ AC 16 and AC). Toddlers fit in some places, and not others.
I've been on a total of 6 long haul flights that had Femtocells, and my phone never managed to stay hooked up to the thing for longer than ten minutes, and the "Sent to you from 30,000 feet above Singapore" texts to the Mrs never got through. If they were representative then there's no need to worry.
Oh yeah, the call costs were relatively normal roaming call charges. Expensive, but not in the same league as the usurious in-seat phone charges the airlines usually levy.
WiFi would be nice though...
Only last night on the train commute home I had to sit across the aisle from some dozy c*** who called everyone in her contacts list from A-Z so we could listen to a solid hour of her inane rambling.
Highlights included what she was having for dinner, some party she was going to, obvious attempts to impress the carriage with her long-haul travel plans - the entire conversation punctuated with tinkling laughter to prove to all aboard how popular, beatiful and important she was.
If the journey had been only 5 minutes longer, the next person to see her phone would have been her gynaecologist.
"To get a mobile working the aircraft must be fitted with a femtocell (a tiny base station), and a satellite uplink to carry the calls. The femtocell also has to be a particularly smart one to keep status updates to a minimum, as every time the handset registers with the network it costs the airline money. That's expensive, and while some airlines are slowly rolling the technology into their aircraft others are holding back until they see some demand."
Makes you wonder how all those crystal clear calls were apparently made from mobiles aboard the Aircraft during 9/11
"The femtocell also has to be a particularly smart one to keep status updates to a minimum, as every time the handset registers with the network it costs the airline money."
So does that mean if we all keep turning our phones of and on, off and on as many times as possible during the flight the airline gets a huge bill?
Sounds like a plan then.
to make calls on a plane, then why do we still accept that passengers flight 93 on 9/11 in the us managed to make several cell/mobile calls, when its clearly impossible?
not trying to start a flame here, but It just doesnt make sense
posted AC so i don't get herrased/bumped off
A couple of people have asked about this, but from a technical point of view there's no problem with the calls made from the hijacked planes.
Those calls were made when the planes were made from a much lower altitude than normal flights, and at risk to the in-flight instruments as the handsets would be operating at very high power to reach the ground (unlike the minimal power needed to contact the on-board femtocell) - but that probably wasn't a concern to the passengers at the time.
Network operators also hate phones being used on domestic flights as they change base stations too quickly (and sometimes appear on multiple base stations at the same time) which is why the Ofcom regulations say you can't make a call until you're at a decent altitude.
The FAA reckons that there's one switched-on phone per domestic flight in the USA, on average, which could make and receive calls if necessary.
Very annoying to the operators it is too.
So conspiracy theorists will need to look elsewhere for inconsistencies on this one.
Bill.
I fly BastardAir regularly (not through choice) and there used to be a great big fanfare on some flights with the plane had been equipped with the mobile facility and some lights would go on saying you could use the phone.
This got dropped a few months ago - you can still see the displays but at no point do they switch on so presumably O'Lairy was annoyed that he wasn't coining in enough cash and decided to kick beggars instead.
"Anyway, didn't we have to turn off the old mobe because it would somehow interfere with the avionics? Woulnd't a base station on board be worse in that respect? No, this is not critique at all sir, the very idea. Just asking."
Nope, that was a load all along, simply a made-up excuse to keep phones off planes. HOWEVER, at 35,000 feet or whatever, the phone will be in contact of dozens and dozens (if not hundreds) of cell sites, not actually be able to get a useable signal but perhaps interfere with all of them (if it can transmit at high enough power to reach the ground). With a femtocell, the phones power will be turned waaaay down so that won't be a problem.
"yes, there's always one miserable, self-important toe rag who scowls like a bulldog's jaksie after a night on the chilli and guinness, the moment a kid walks onto 'their' plane. Nice to be able to put a name to the face.
"Little bastards who hang over the seat in front..." etc? Anyone who made those noises in front of a kid of mine would end up enjoying his executive mini-scotch bottle as an enema."
@AC, you're an ass. I don't go around bitching about kids on flights, but seriously, keep your kids under control, they are not special (except to yourself) and don't have some special right to go around hassling other passengers, despite so many parents thinking they do. You might not enjoy having to restrict your kids during the flight but everyone else doesn't enjoy having your kids go out of control all flight.
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