UKBA to exchange fingerprints with US

also notice

how they talk about pushing UK ID cards harder and harder. bit by bit forcing everyone to have one (or they can't travel or renew documents, or perhaps buy alcohol.. etc etc.) so technically you may not be *required* to have an ID card just to be in this country (yet, unless you're a foreigner), but soon there will be too many things you cant do without one, thereby forcing you to have one anyway. dirty sneaky rotten untrustworthy government.

papers please citizen !

just because police and officials are (usually) polite, doesn't mean this is not a police state, because it is. i should know, i am originally from Zimbabwe under the thumb of mugabe. at this stage i would say that the UK is far worse when it comes to freedom and rights. because of the technology, equipment and number of tazer armed police. at least in zimbabwe they were/are open about their disgusting suppressive behaviour. over here they lie and lie and cheat and make up rules as they go along to try and trick people into thinking that what they are doing is acceptable behaviour. it is not.

just look at how the police actions in the run-up to, and during the demonstrations, were plainly to discourage any disgruntled people from attempting to be heard. and where not discouraged, then 'inconvenienced' (more like persecuted) as much as possible.

.. hang on... knock knock... hello... bzzzzztttttt... bzzzzztttttt... seeya!

That has GOT to be...

the best April Fool's Joke ever, surely.

"The organisation, which gained full executive agency status on 1 April 2009"

eh?

Is this not in contravention on European law where we have to explicitly agree to data being transferred out of the EU control???

Clever...

It also means they can get their hands (ahem) on fingerprints of UK nationals who travel to the US.

For the Sheeple

I think I'd rather that people who do run into problems with the law have their details updated with their passport information than subject everyone in this dragnet. Is that really too hard to ask for? I understand the passport information and and a criminal records are kept in separate databases, but in this case, wouldn't it just be a matter of the criminal database forwarding data to the passport data base?

The whole point of this is that I believe this to be an invasion of privacy for me to give up my finger prints just so I can enter a country. I firmly believe that you take finger prints from people who are under strong suspicion of having committed crime, or have committed a crime, and not just for believing one MAY commit a crime. This finger print harvesting is disgusting and is just another way of IDing us like heard animals.

Don't forget to say "MOO" or "BAA-BAA" (your preference) when they take your print to cross a boarder requiring this

Fingerprints of innocent people

How do you know their innocent and therefore entitled not to have their detailed travel plans spread around the world?..... Ah yes, they don't, not until AFTER they've handed the fingerprints to everyone and got a 'negative' back for all the checks.

In other words, she's planning to send lists of people entering and exiting the UK to foreign powers with some sort of noddy 'I promise not to do anything doubleplusungood with the data' contract.

UK Borders agency is of course Jacqui Smiths. Why am I not surprised? She's turning the UK into one giant prison with her as the Commandant.

How many companies have set up in the UK since she turned it into a prison camp? How many have left? I bet company after company has closed their UK operations, and I bet the endless prison camp mentality she induces on the UK is the cause.

reliable prints?

i'm sure i heard recently that fingerprints were not actually that accurate after all, and no, i have no sources. you'd think there would be better things to do with the money though..

What's the Point of Protesting?

Obama, Bush, Cameron, Brown- they are all the same when it comes to surveillance. They may say nice little platitudes about liberty, privacy and freedom, but they are all probably at best indifferent. Protesting and the media doesn't seem to make much difference, so I suggest we get on with our lives (as much as they are under the glare of CCTV) and just ignore governments.

@For the Sheeple

Sending the details of villains around to other countries is what Interpol does ALREADY. So yes it is easier. It's how it's done now.

So if there's a 'data protection' problem, it means she's planning on doing the reverse and sending the data around for checking to foreign powers.

Guido from order-order enters the USA on a work visa say, the info goes to the Home Office for checking and can be flagged by Jacqui. I find it even very creepy that that woman's dept would receive travel details of people she has no business with in a country they have no details with.

UK visa applications are outsourced...

...to an American company - including the aquisition of biometric data. So, the Yanks have had access to all biometrics for UK visa applicants for some time.

@reliable prints? by AC - Posted 3rd April 15:04

Perhaps you were thinking of the Shirley McKie case?

If so, this link to the story may be useful, and more detail can be found through the other URLs on this web page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4967160.stm

Here is an extract from that news item for those who can't be bothered to link (I find especially disquieting 'the obdurate and arrogant stance' of officials) :

<Quote> The MacKay report gives a detailed account of how the misidentification of her fingerprint occurred.

Mr MacKay said "institutional arrogance" in the fingerprint service had led to a criminal course of action.

The report also states: "Clearly the errors were capable of admission at various stages in the process with minimal impact on those making them.

"The police service has a culture of openness, honesty and integrity and in such situations, while I believe there would have been frustration by management, there would have been no recriminations in a mistake being made.

"It is the obdurate and arrogant stance which prevailed through the chain of events contributing in the conviction of David Asbury and the prosecution of Shirley McKie which transferred both misidentifications from an error status to a criminal action with dire consequences." </Quote>

@ ermmm

That'd be 9.2%.