Russia signs Huawei deal as Chinese premier decries 'protectionism', 'unilateral approaches'

Re: just about the same as the risks with Cisco equipment

How so? We know Cisco equipment definitely has USA government back doors. We don't know that Huawei equipment has Chinese government back doors, and we know that a lot of people are looking and haven't found any evidence.

Doesn't that make Huawei the better choice?

Re: "get clarity [..] on the supposed intelligence risks of Huawei"

Except the intelligence risks with Cisco and HPE kit are proven (backdoors being removed by the dozen from Cisco kit and actual cases of NSA intercepting HPE kit and installing their spyware on it) and, at the moment, only theoretical against Huawei.

Re: "get clarity [..] on the supposed intelligence risks of Huawei"

Anybody here remember how accurate the Americas were on weapons of mass destruction. Better off asking them to find their own arse

Where Russia goes, 50% of Central Europe will follow.. This is not forgetting that China is also pouring massive investment into Africa and other countries throughout Asia and Southern indian ocean... that's a fair big ass for the Mr D Trump to get his tongue into!

Finally, I wonder if the US Administration has wondered why many EU countries are not towing the line? Its simply, they're looking to the future.

In all this time, with POTUS chucking his toys out the pram like a spoilt brat, Huawei and the Chinese, have refused to bite, instead they simply respond with mature and articulate reasoning. Whilst the US might get a short term win, they're pissing of they're allies and China is removing its reliance on US technology - So who win in the long term?

Um, there are obvious options that are neither Chinese nor American. Two of the biggest rooted in Russia's western (scandinavian) neighbours.

Both China and Russia love American technology. But what's happening is a bit too much for business as usual. The US is losing trust as a reliable business partner. First Snowden now this. If the US cannot be trusted, better leave them* alone. If they** turn from partners to liability, they* ** will be the one to reap the harvest.

*The US policymakers.

** The US businesses, collateral damage.

Re: Herman

As a consumer, no problem with it.

Just never build a business that relies on it!

Re: Herman

Hermann's words are worth taking to heart because I have seen it all before. The US has restricted technical exports before in the name of Cold War One. Quite apart from the annoyance of the overreach of US law (combined with the usual supine UK government) there were export license problems which just meant that you didn't buy anything from America unless you absolutely had to. In the early 80s the real problems started with microwave equipment; back in the day this all came from the US but once Regan -- in particular Richard Perle -- got in the act it became a pain to buy the stuff so suddenly all the new kit was Japanese. Then there's the whole encryption saga -- readers may not know this but thanks to ITAR regulations you have to get export licenses for WiFI access points that used WEP (one of the many reasons why nobody buys access points made in the US).

I honestly thought that after the end of Cold War One that all this stuff was behind us but obviously now we have commercial rivalry with another power its full on Cold War Two and all that BS from way back then (including many of the people involved -- Perle is still around) has got dusted off and it back to Evil Empires, Brutal Dictators and all the other BS. It will all end it tears.....

(BTW -- Back in those days if you bought a minicomputer from the US -- you really didn't have any other choice -- then it needed a US export license. What people didn't realize that to move that from one office to another, even if it was just down the road, you had to get another license. I described the UK's government as 'supine' because when the FBI raided an office in west London because of this the UK government said -- absolutely nothing. The Americans, aided by the UK, also thought they had jurisdiction over moving memory packs for small Japanese handheld computers between the UK and Belgium -- no paperwork's too much trouble for a DC bureaucrat and, as ever, the UK government was unable to tell its masters to pound sand....)

Do you? Tiananmen is not what Washington-based "human rights" organisations say it is, but I guess you don't care, you just want to create an atmosphere around everything Chinese..

Re: Yeah Xi and Putin, a pair of love doves to be proud of

Two brutal dictators?! Yes , I clearly remember times when the both states was liberal democracy paradise.

..and if you're a Russian you will prefer 100 times to obey Putin and his cronies than countless local gang mobs, warlords.The latter happen when liberal democracy is implemented in a society without any traditions over it.

Re: Yeah Xi and Putin, a pair of love doves to be proud of

They're only 'brutal dictators' this week because we don't like them. Both societies are democracies; Russia in particular is a bit like other European countries. China's China -- its a different, non-European, society to the one we're used to so its not surprising that it does things a bit differently.

People need to get out more. There have been plenty of brutal dictators about but if they're 'our' dictators then they're just 'authoritarian governments'. Just parroting the Party Line, Two Minutes Hate 'n all, doesn't really add much to the conversation.

Re: Are you spinning this?

Given that neither BT nor Vodafone can operate a telecommunications system unless they do the government's bidding and they can't procure the equipment to do so without the government's sanction, I think you could argue they're about as independent of government as a Train Operating Company.

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I wonder how Google Translate/iTranslate would fare rendering such strange revelations into Chinese and Russian .... in order to make such things much more generally known. It may be of vital importance to them.