New terror guidelines on photography

What about telephones?

Seems to me that use of mobile phones is also forbidden: "No person shall within the Squares - - use any apparatus for the transmission, reception, reproduction or amplification of sound, speech or images".

Is this real? How would one know such things, if one were to visit London?

Because..

When taking photos to plot your terrorist scheme.. you always carrys your signed and photo-IDd "International Terrorist's Support Forum" membership card.

WHAT FUCKING GOOD IS STOPPING AND SEARCHING THEM?

If they're taking pictures.. chances are *it's still in the planning stage*.

Are we meant to close our eyes when police cars go past? I routinely watch films with my eyes closed incase I accidentally remember it at a later date (not too troubling a worry with recent "blockbusters"). Remember: RECORDING EQUIPMENT IS STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.

Frustrating!

Taking photos in public has to be a right we have, surely. People were arrested in East Berlin for taking photographs in the wrong part of town, let's not go down that road.

They're not all bad though, the rozzers. While filming in the grounds of a derelict school last year, we were approached by two policemen. We were worried that they would ask us to leave, but instead they just warned us to be careful that the pikies who were regularly stripping the school clean of scrap metal didn't take a shine to our camera!

new legislation

Am I right in thinking that there is new legislation still in the pipeline that may make it illegal to photograph police officers? When does that come into effect?

Ranking Google relevance

When the Google chariot has been everywhere and photographed everything, the terrorist opportunities will be instantly identifiable by the blanks. The real victims will be press photographers - as the NUJ already is aware. When food riots are brutally suppressed by the police, the BBC will bring us the politically correct pictures - they have had the accompanying narrative in place at least since the Hillsborough disaster, and the disgusting wholesale slander of Liverpool football fans.

Whacky Jacqui and pals are evidently as oblivious to the state of miniaturization and low cost of discreet surveillance equipment, as she is to IT. Most of us want to see the goods when we're buying; perhaps Jacqui & Co are simply satisfied by nice words. Or maybe not.

What would Whacky get up to (or down to) if she were shuffled sideways into the MoD? Apart from a ride on a tank of course. And sniping. Perhaps she could learn something about how machines work (and fail). I understand Putin went up in a Mig, but Whacky may find one of those beyond the MoD's budget, if I read Lewis right. Still, she could always try judo. She is looking quite pudgy these days. Some rough and tumble would put some colour in her cheeks.

// on which unpleasant thought, time for the kevlar jacquette - tho I'm happy to share with bona fide cannibals

Obviously,

We need the photographic equivalent to the cycling event/group Critical Mass.

Back to the old ways.

Many years ago, Esther Rantzen was done for Obstruction, over some vox pop stuff being shot for That's Life.

With the tech in that era, this was likely something that really did get in the way. Camera on a tripod, for one thing.

But that is probably lurking in the background of the talk of "congestion".

PCSO claim

The PCSO claim is interesting as they don't have power of arrest on their own and Section 44 of the TA 2000 is the section about 'Authorisations' to stop and search (1) cars and (2) pedestrians.

Section 5 of the byelaws also seem apparently does not permit the use of mobile phones -without headphones- in Trafalgar and Parliament square!

br -d

Nice to see the rest of the country finally starting to wake up

I've been stopped because I "matched a description" (I was white with dredlocks) of a guy who'd been shoving burning newspapers through letterboxes. A week or so later, a friend of mine was stopped for the same reason (he was black with a shaved head).

The police will use whatever laws they think they can bend to fit the situation to enforce their authority. Fuck 'em, they're responsible for a generation of kids that have no reason to respect authority because it has shown no respect to them.

Any reporter who is shocked that the police will behave this way has obviously not been paying attention.

The Public Will Despise the Police Even More

.... than they do now. They seem little interested in responding to proper crimes, but on persecuting members of the public (probably because their easy to catch!).

Have any of you read the rest of the byelaw

On reading the whole byelaw item (5) appears to ban the use of mobile phones.

On the other issues of common law, it is technically illegal to stand still in a public place (causing an obstruction) or carry out a conversation involving more than two persons (counts as a public meeting) if you are asked to cease doing so by a officer of the law. The offense in both cases is obstructing an officer in the course of his duties and is an arrestable offense.

Argh

This shit makes me so angry. Cheers Tony. No, really, thanks a fucking bunch.

@Steve

You match the description . One phrase minorities hate hearing in America . We are looking for a black male with jeans and shirt. Then they stop every black person. Sound like they have have learned that phrase in jolly ole england. You match the description. Male, breathing with an opinion .

Too bad, you lose

Great Britain has become such a repressive state, that I will never return there, and will boycott British products as much as I can. I spent a very happy year of school in London in the early 60's, my sister lived in London for almost 25 years, and her kids are graduates of British universities. Too bad, GB loses. This cruft is sooo 1984 that Orwell has to be poking God in the ribs and twitting "I told you so!"...

Terrified by the police state

and it is all their own fault along with the Labour government.

They have created a society that is so fragmented, and so opposed to each other, all in the name of stuffing the ballot box. They have increased tax revenue, but dropped standard of living by cramming so many people onto this isle, then layered on more and more laws that no one wants. It is a powder keg waiting to explode.

Most of us are looking to leave the country, or in some way claim our independence of the UK, the latter would be preferable and is quite doable. Scotland will probably gain freedom in the next election. It is going to go SNP and their standard of living will be a lot better, they have much fewer people and far more space. After that, Wales will break. And the reason their economy will be stronger is they will be able to make their own laws, and run their own style of taxation.

In Soviet Russia

The camera photographs you!

The old joke is no longer so funny now, is it?

I'm reminded of the old joke that went:

In Russia, everything is forbidden.

In Germany, everything is forbidden unless it is explicitly permitted.

In Britain, everything is permitted unless it is explicitly forbidden.

In Italy, everything is permitted whether it is forbidden or not.

Remind me again, someone, in which of these countries do we live nowadays?

@Winkypop

>>"Hitler and Stalin... would have creamed their fascist jeans if they had ever had this much power!"

*Sure* they would.

*They* just couldn't stop people taking pictures of anything they wanted.

If only they'd had some kind of police force, or maybe even some 'secret police', they might have been able to actually repress a few citizens.

Good job *they* never thought of doing anything like that.

Winky, exactly *which* breakfast cereal box did you learn your 20th century history from?

Not a large pack, I guess.

I'm livid!

I'm pretty sure I'm never going to take a photograph that would or could get me into trouble but I wish to rant and rave about it from the safety of my own home/desk etc. If Brown and his Nazi pigs want to do something about it they can rip the camera from my still twitching hands. GRRRRRRRRRR!

Grow up and get a bloody life you bunch of slack-jawwed wankers.