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Re: Stopgap at best

Why do macbooks need keyboards?

I thought they were just for holding your place in Starbucks?

Re: Stopgap at best

they'd better put in place an unconditional warranty extension until the butterfly keyswitch can be corrected and all MacBooks and MacBook Pros made since 2005 recalled.

You probably mean 2015, not 2005, right?

Re: Stopgap at best

Since 2015 I think, oh for a 2005 keyboard.

Apple's combined collective ego won't let them just go back to the pre-2015 keyboard, they'll fiddle with this for a year or two longer until the keyboard lasts the product lifetime (which is 5 years if you believe Apple).

For $250 from eBay, you can pick up a 2014 MacBook Air, with a proper keyboard, Broadwell (5th generation) Core i5, and a preinstalled SSD.

Only quirks are a 1366x768 screen resolution on the 11" model (or 1440x900 on the 14"), both with a 16:9 ratio, and the fact that the SSD uses a proprietary connector.

Re: "forcing me to use a much more decent Apple keyboard"

Forcing? Yep. Those rolexes, Porsches and Gucci handbags are "forced" on you.

Re: Change for the Red Dot

Mostly agree with that but take issue with the Lenovo comment, they're still doing that stupid FN/CTRL key position swap and on some of the models they've done away with RJ45 ethernet connectors forcing you to carry either a proprietary dapter or an Ethernet-USB dongle of some description if you need wired connectivity.

Plus, I still haven't forgiven them for their woeful quality control a few years ago.

Re: Change for the Red Dot

Mac does have some advantages. Don't underestimate the power of muscle memory and the placement & use of the cmd key instead of ctrl for many things, especially cut and paste.

But that's just a keyboard, and I could use a mac layout on windows if I really wanted. The OS is good, doesn't have some of the craziness that's in Windows. QA is lacking on both sides, but Apple are nowhere near as bad as Microsoft over the last year. HiDPI still doesn't work properly on Windows too, it's a lot better on Mac. Microsoft still don't have a multi-tab terminal/console app. Talking of apps, the MS 'app store' is a junkyard.

There are some softwares that are much loved and only on Mac - DevonTHINK, Sketch, Keynote, anything by Omni. The same goes for Windows, there are some great tools there too that aren't on Mac (can't think of one right now though). Pick one and run with it.

As for Linux, I can't run a large wedge of software on there including Adobe. Not that it would matter with a broken butterfly keyboard anyway. It was the keyboard and not the cost that led me away from Apple - I spent the same amount on a Windows machine (Dell XPS 15).

Apple is all about taking things away - USB A, MagSafe, F-Keys, replaceable parts, SD Card reader. All the things I want and need. Now they've taken quality from the keyboard. iOS 13 promises to be more desktop-like, so the end is coming for OSX/MacOS, and probably Intel-based devices too.

Re: Change for the Red Dot

I have never, ever seen the advantage of a Mac, it's certainly not for the software

For me, it's 100% about the software. There is no way I'm running Windows as the base OS on anything I use.

I used to run Linux and even BSD on laptops a long time ago. In those days, wifi support was dodgy; these days it's fixed, but now it's retina display support (HiDPI) which is still lacking.

macOS gets that stuff right - plus it can run Microsoft Office, which sadly is still required for compatibility, that is if you want to edit a third-party document without mangling it.

Re: Change for the Red Dot

Software for me. I switched to Mac years back (from ThinkPad, coincidentally) when Windows updates nearly made me put my ThinkPad through the nearest window. I was heading to the US on a business trip to give a big presentation; everything was ready to go but I was really late. My TP had about 4% battery remaining so was on charge, then I went to shut it down to take it with me. It started doing updates before shutdown (Update 1 of 351 in progress - do not turn off your computer). My critical work for the business trip was on it, I couldn't risk doing a shutdown halfway through updates if there was a chance it would break the OS, and I couldn't unplug the laptop and let it do updates on the way to the airport because it only had 4% battery left.

I had to wait for it to finish. It took 35 minutes and I missed my flight. That was the moment I decided f*ck you Windows and your arbitrary, dictatorial approach to updates*. The frustration had been building for a long time, but this was the final straw.

Now I'm on Mac and haven't looked back.

Re: Change for the Red Dot

I'd loved my old Thinkpad, but some years ago moved to a Mac. Still have to use Windows for some things (remote desktop, Fusion VM, and a physical desktop machine) but despite how much better Win10 has got, I still find it incredibly frustrating compared to macOS.

First couple of Mac laptops have been great - amazing build quality and reliability, but ... I'd expect it at the price tag. I'm finding myself torn now... performance on my old Mac is finally starting to suffer (it's a mid-2012 Air, so compared to how PCs seem to slow down that's pretty impressive) so it's time to upgrade and while a MacBook Pro should be a no-brainer (perfect fit for what I want it for, and an OS I am comfortable/familiar with) the keyboard and other build issues are giving me cause to hold off. If there was a current ThinkPad that ran macOS (hackintosh) reliably... I'd switch in a heartbeat.

Apple's obsession with thin at the expense of everything else is doing more harm than good ... but unless these recalls/replacements start to hurt the bottom line there's no reason for them to change

It's impressive the lengths apple go to to stop knock offs working...

Re: So many extended repair programmes....

List of faults for all Mac competitors (PC/Windows/Liniux/Atari/Commodore/anything else you can think of) are available.

It's easy to criticise anything...it's a damn sight harder to get it right....just sayin'