back to article Tax Google and Facebook for a job subsidy scheme? Sigh

As British politicians are urged to target Facebook and Google with a new tax and pour the profits into a scheme for funding public interest journalism, it’s worth taking a close look at the vested interests demanding this course of action. At a Society of Editors conference held last week, former Minister of Fun* John …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "to implement a large-scale government IT contract"

    Madness I say, it'll over run and won't be fit for purpose before it's outsourced and over budget. Unrelated but does anyone know how the customs system is coming along or the universal benefits computer system or even the farming subsidy one?

  2. Red Bren
    Big Brother

    Legitimate News Organisations

    I find the use of the above phrase worrying.

    Who defines whether a news organisation is "legitimate"? The state? What criteria needs to be fulfilled? If it's circulation numbers, how does a new publication enter the market? If it's by accuracy of content, who decides what is fake news? Or is it by patronage, if the owner is a political donor and the content doesn't try to hard to uncover uncomfortable truths about the establishment?

    Which of these orgsnisations are "legitimate"?

    The Times

    The Guardian

    The Daily Mail

    The Sun

    Brietbart

    Skwawkbox

    The Onion

    In fact, when did El Reg become "legitimate"...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Legitimate News Organisations

      I find the Daily Mail really useful, if I am forming an opinion on something I use it as a go to place for removing a view point.

    2. Named coward

      Re: Legitimate News Organisations

      I'd say make it publicly accessible. There's no need to restrict this to news organisations - legitimate or otherwise

    3. Cederic Silver badge

      Re: In fact, when did El Reg become "legitimate"...

      I suspect El Reg takes great pride in being quite illegitimate.

  3. Warm Braw

    Wrong way around?

    Perhaps you just get Google and Facebook to build the system to hold and disseminate the court records - it's pretty close to their core business and it can't be worse than earlier attempts at applying IT to the justice system.

    And then you find a way of taxing their core business effectively for everyone's positive benefit, not as some sort of punishment for having a profitable business model or giving voice to the wrong sort of people.

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge
    Pint

    a much more effective idea would be to implement a large-scale government IT contract.

    "Effective" and large-scale "government IT contract". OK, what was in the glass?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    Thankfully the internet routes around censorship

    Here in Scotland, the SNP is hell-bent on suppressing the free press, aided by their goons who jostle and harass journalists. With the internet, Samizdat material can be passed between trusted friends.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Thankfully the internet routes around censorship

      That's quite common in small oil states whose many warring tribes are united only in hatred of their neighbours - I wonder why it applies to Scotland ?

  6. Flakk

    If you want more public interest unlabeled editorials and advocacy masquerading as journalism, you need a Big Gov IT Project

    FTFY

  7. Daedalus

    Oh Lord, when will they learn?

    Over here in the USA, the PACER system is used by the Federal court system, which handles major cases involving interstate commerce, it is true, but has no original jurisdiction in the kind of routine criminal and civil matters that are handled by State court systems. Only appeals go from State to Federal court, and then only if constitutional issues are involved.

    Once again the rest of the world show how they do not get systems that are different from theirs.

  8. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

    The UK has a problem of local news

    We don't have many areas that can have a successful market for local news. The same problem we have with government, that the country is just physically small enough that government suffers from the delusion that centralisation can be successful. Without local news though, you can't really have effective local democracy. Admittedly that also requires voters to give an effective damn about local news, local democracy and bother to vote and stuff.

    It's a real chicken-and-egg situation. If councils don't have power, people won't vote. But if you devolve them power when people aren't voting, you get corruption and stupid decisions. And if nobody's interested, no-one's reading the local press, so there's no scrutiny.

    We had reasonably representative local government 100 years ago. You could get from being a leader of say Birmingham council to being a senior national politician in one step back then. Because the role had a profile. Maybe city mayors will make a difference here?

    it's a really dull subject - and that's the problem. Because nobody will take it seriously. But it actually matters quite a lot. Otherwise local government just becomes a playground for non-serious politicians to push their pet projects, in a lot of cases in safe seats with little risk of getting turfed out by voters.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: The UK has a problem of local news

      That's why you need More Democracy (tm).

      Make the school board, fire station, police and transit all democratic.

      Then you get the thrilling experience of separate labour and conservative campaigns for election to the park board.

      The city engineering is still unfairly decided by an unfair guild system which insists on privileged knowledge, so the unwashed masses don't get to vote on how thick the bridge cables are - but it's only a matter of time.

      1. J.G.Harston Silver badge

        That's why you need More Democracy (tm).

        The problem is, most people are united in demanding *less* democracy. Our local Labour party regularly bombards the local press with letters and fills their leaflets demanding the abolition of district and parish councils, and worryingly, a lot of the public agree with them.

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