Digital Entrepreneur Awards help UK tech cop an eyeful of... WTF?

Friday 24th November 2017 13:34 GMT Anonymous Coward

As was said by another comment shown there, so what if it was an all woman show. There would have been complaints if it was all men.

So all men show, not allowing women in the show, sexism. Ok so no dancers, a comedian, look its a man, Oh no sexism, should have been a woman. Its a woman, rasism, it was a white woman, a black woman, she wasn't a lesbian. Lesbian black comedian, something against transgender. so transgender lesbian back female comedian.

The next complaint would be, (s)he was picked to make fun of.

Ok so no show, complaints that they didnt spend any money on entertainment.

Then complaints that the presentations didn't have a 50/50 split men women with a percentage on them being in the minority groups, excluding Asians as they aren't minorities anymore.

So what this comes down to is no matter what you do people will complain, some more than others.

So do what you want as long as it isn't directly attacking anyone and applies to the majority its aimed at. Someone will complain not matter what.

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1. Friday 24th November 2017 13:50 GMT JoshOvki
  
  Okay time to stop frothing from the mouth and think about this for a moment. Can't you see why burlesque dancers could be considered a bad choice? Why did they need scantily clad dancers at all? Fricking hell man, open your eyes.
  
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Friday 24th November 2017 13:45 GMT Sykowasp

If we look at the original photo that sets this all off, we can see some bloke on the stage is clearly groping one of the dancer's bums.

Whilst I fail to see why this event needs scantily clad dancers, if they have to have them then they could have a mixed show put on, surely? But let's be honest, the only reason for scantily clad dancers is for eye titillation for the mainly-male audience. If those men want that, there are other venues.

In the end, the issue is that this industry has difficulty bringing in women, and stuff like this really does not improve the image of the industry. Which is a real shame, because I've found that it's often the women that work harder and generate better results, at least in businesses that allow them to get on with things without worrying about dodgy male bosses, etc.

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1. Friday 24th November 2017 14:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
  
  Do you make hiring decisions?
  
  I've found that it's often the women that work harder and generate better results
  
  Don't you mean they work equally hard? Or are you allowed to say that, because you said "women" instead of "men"?
  
  It's not "male vs female", but "gender equality".
  
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Friday 24th November 2017 13:48 GMT iron

It is entirely possible to value and respect women and enjoy watching them dance. Acting like a feminazi is going to end up counterproductive.

Do these people complain how skimpily the dancers are dressed at the ballet?

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1. Friday 24th November 2017 14:16 GMT Sir Gaz of Laz
  
  "Do these people complain how skimpily the dancers are dressed at the ballet?"
  
  Probably not, but then you expect to see dancers/dancing at the ballet.
  
  Unless the burlesque dancers were all some fantastically futuristic bio-mechanical feats of engineering, I see no connection to entrepreneurship (and even if they were, it'd be tenuous at best). There is no DE context here.
  
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2. Friday 24th November 2017 14:31 GMT 45RPM
  
  @iron - the 1960s called. They want you back.
  
  Frankly, I take exception to your dullard use of the, frankly abhorrent, ‘word’ Feminazi. If you mean Feminist, then perhaps you should think of it as meaning “Functional, moral, human being”. It’s not just for women you know - it’s about recognising that there are no fundamental differences between the sexes when it comes to intelligence, ability, or how they should be treated / paid / respected.
  
  I’m sorry if that came out as being a bit frothingly incoherent on my part, but I’d like to kick users of the term “Feminazi” until my right leg was worn down to a bloody stump and then attempt to repeat the punishment with my left leg.
  
  Idiot.
  
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  1. Friday 24th November 2017 14:43 GMT DJO
    
    it’s about recognising that there are no fundamental differences between the sexes when it comes to intelligence
    
    Actually there is, statistically women are on average slightly more intelligent than men.
    
    Although for the heights of genius and the depths of abject stupidity it'll be a man almost every time (sometimes the same individual).
    
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    1. Friday 24th November 2017 15:46 GMT Anonymous Coward
      
      Actually there is, statistically women are
      
      You've missed the point.
      
      If I was hired because I was a woman, I'd be disappointed.
      
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      1. Saturday 25th November 2017 12:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
        
        > If I was hired because I was a woman, I'd be disappointed.
        
        Because you are actually male? :-)
        
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  2. Friday 24th November 2017 15:52 GMT H in The Hague
    
    "... I’d like to kick users of the term “Feminazi” until ..."
    
    Give me a shout if you need a hand (or foot). I'm a bit sensitive to this abuse of language (live fairly close to a place where the nazis used to torture and execute people). And a bit sensitive to the general issue as not that many decades ago, a good friend (and excellent pilot) was told she couldn't fly passenger flights simply because she was a woman. (Fortunately that industry is better now.)
    
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    1. Friday 24th November 2017 21:14 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
      
      a good friend (and excellent pilot) was told she couldn't fly passenger flights simply because she was a woman.
      
      Although to be fair she was Hanna Reitsch, so the term Feminazi was totally appropriate
      
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  3. Saturday 25th November 2017 15:40 GMT Anonymous Coward
    
    Feminazis are as real as chauvinists
    
    "Frankly, I take exception to your dullard use of the, frankly abhorrent, ‘word’ Feminazi. "
    
    Well, it is totally appropriate for describing females who loudly annouce that man, as a gender, is totally unnecessary and should be killed. As a gender. That's misandry to the maximum and as far as I know, no man has ever wanted to kill every female, no matter they hated them.
    
    And no, that's not an imaginary example: If you haven't ever read militant feminist organizations internal magazines, you should: There are lot of those people in them. In global view a very small minority but so are terrorists.
    
    Nazis tried to kill one religion from one country, these people want to kill half of world population. For that a term "Nazi" is totally justified and best possible description, as 'a fanatic' is totally missing the scale: It's at genocide level. billions of people.
    
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    1. Saturday 25th November 2017 17:36 GMT Insert sadsack pun here
      
      Re: Feminazis are as real as chauvinists
      
      "Nazis tried to kill one religion from one country"
      
      Jesus wept, read a fucking history book, mate.
      
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    2. Wednesday 13th December 2017 09:15 GMT MonkeyCee
      
      Re: Feminazis are as real as chauvinists
      
      "Well, it is totally appropriate for describing females who loudly annouce that man, as a gender, is totally unnecessary and should be killed. As a gender."
      
      But you're conflating two different things. Arguing for equal rights, which means acknowledging that perhaps as a gender men have it slightly better, does not equal agreement with killing off people. I believe in income redistribution (via market capitalism) since making the poorest better off generally results in life being better for everyone, including the mega wealthy. That doesn't mean I agree with killing off the mega wealthy, or forcibly taking their stuff.
      
      "That's misandry to the maximum and as far as I know, no man has ever wanted to kill every female, no matter they hated them."
      
      Well, there's a few more cases of chaps murdering women "because they deserve it" than the other way around. Often a case of a particular class/group of women (sex workers) rather than all of them, but still.
      
      If you're going to use "militant feminist" magazines as your basis for arguing that feminists = femanazis, then I suggest* you have a trawl around some of the less delightful corners of the MRA and incel movements. Those are the chaps suggesting that women *should* be raped, want to be, invite it, and generally deserve to get murdered if they don't accept they are subordinate. Reddit kicked r/incel out because there where active debates on how to rape someone and get away with it.
      
      In much the same way the right wing nutters will get all foamy mouthed (triggered?) about how violent and evil the left are, and then go out and kill people. Not threaten to, not make hypothetical "all menz must die!" articles, but go out and gun down elected political representatives (Jo Cox, Gabrielle Giffords), kids at camp (Breivik), people in church or just run them over with their car.
      
      As a parting thought, if you know your views are so shameful that you need to post AC, maybe reconsider posting. Stand up for what you believe in, even if that means that some people might dislike you for the opinions you hold.
      
      *well, maybe not, it's pretty sick shit
      
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Friday 24th November 2017 14:14 GMT Anonymous Coward

Some of these comments are like watching a blind man playing darts with a hedgehog.

Completely misses the point.

How can you defend that? How can you honestly say to your daughter (if you have one or niece or even friends daughter) that is acceptable?

I'm really open minded but even I'm cringing at that photo trying to work out what the f*ck went through their heads to think that was acceptable?

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Friday 24th November 2017 14:40 GMT Anonymous Coward

DEA Statement:

"We hired an equal number of male and female dancers, and can assure you they where all paid equally. In fact, the women earned more tips."

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1. Saturday 25th November 2017 15:53 GMT Anonymous Coward
  
  Re: DEA Statement:
  
  But the fu**ing article doesn't even mention male dancers? WTF?
  
  Only females are mentioned. And that some people blew their fuses on it.
  
  "... when scantily clad women doing a showgirl routine took to the stage of the Digital Entrepreneur Awards on Wednesday night."
  
  Not a word about scantily clad males. And what a surprise, female editor had nothing against that so she doesn't say anything about it. When females get equality they _still_ whine about it. Why?
  
  There should have been only scantily clad males or what? For audience consisting mostly males.
  
  I don't know if a dancing show is a good idea, but at least editor could tell all the facts and not fall into female whine -mode for no reason at all.
  
  This just tells us that if facts don't fit into agenda then omit the facts and go all touchy-feely. Which flies quite bad in technical sector.
  
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  1. Wednesday 13th December 2017 18:46 GMT wayward4now
    
    Re: DEA Statement:
    
    I'd be happy as merry hell if the Super Bowl half-time shows were less "depraved". Why not go back to the days when the best marching bands in the US performed???
    
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Friday 24th November 2017 14:49 GMT Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble?

Ok, so I have no problem with burlesque dancers in principal. Just like I have no problem with Chippendales in principal. If people want to make money by taking their clothes off and dancing, then great, more power to them. Equally, if people want to pay money to see that kind of thing, again more power to them.

The point surely is not that there is a problem with these type of shows. The problem is putting a specifically male-targeted entertainment show on in an environment where (a) people didn't choose to see it and (b) should be a mixed gender environment. Why not book a show which appeals to men and women equally?

And people wonder why all kinds of industry have a bad reputation or equalities. This is just the latest in a long, tiresome, disgraceful line of corporate misogyny.

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1. Friday 24th November 2017 15:00 GMT inmypjs
  
  disgraceful line of corporate misogyny
  
  Sure they hire women to dance on stage because they hate women.
  
  Did they hand out stones to throw at the dancers?
  
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  1. Friday 24th November 2017 15:49 GMT Anonymous Coward
    
    Re: disgraceful line of corporate misogyny
    
    Let's turn it around - the men where wearing spedos and t-shirts. Still appropriate?
    
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    1. Friday 24th November 2017 16:53 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
      
      Re: disgraceful line of corporate misogyny
      
      the men where wearing spedos and t-shirts
      
      Corporate IT men wearing speedos shudder
      
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    2. Saturday 25th November 2017 15:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
      
      Re: disgraceful line of corporate misogyny
      
      If it's a show where 90% of audience is females, of course.
      
      Equality doesn't work that way that everything is served to small minority: It just means that a minority here is a majority there and the majority is served as well in both places.
      
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  2. Friday 24th November 2017 17:45 GMT BebopWeBop
    
    Re: disgraceful line of corporate misogyny
    
    Is that you Mother?
    
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2. Friday 24th November 2017 15:50 GMT Anonymous Coward
  
  Equally, if people want to pay money to see that kind of thing
  
  And what about those of us who just want it for free?
  
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3. Friday 24th November 2017 21:54 GMT Mark 85
  
  I'd go a step further... what do the dancers bring to an awards ceremony? Seriously. All awards ceremonies are about self-congratulation be it movie stars or computer hackers. Maybe I miss the point....
  
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Friday 24th November 2017 16:07 GMT ecofeco

Context is everything

How the hell could they get this so wrong?

Rhetorical question of course.

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Friday 24th November 2017 16:26 GMT Anonymous Coward

It's hardly sponsored by, more like run by, the address on their websites is even the same.

Strikes me as a "let's reward our customers, and give awards to people we want to be our customers."

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Friday 24th November 2017 23:13 GMT HmmmYes

I just dont do conferences or awards.

Not to protest at booth babes and the likem jyst they are boring and i keep social life way away from work.

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Monday 27th November 2017 18:14 GMT Anonymous Coward

Its all the unemployed booth babes I feel sorry for.

There’s only so many jobs in Formula 1.

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