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The United States Internal Revenue Service has said that citizens affected by the Equifax breach need not panic, because it probably didn't reveal anything that hasn't already been stolen and the agency has tooled up to deal with fraudulent tax claims. Commissioner John Koskinen, discussing whether the breach would interfere …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'IRS has tooled up to deal with fraudulent tax claims.'

    * Considering Tax-Back fraud has been in full swing for 2 decades thanks to weak IRS processes. Hands up who want to take this announcement seriously, especially after IRS headcount has been almost decimated?

    * What's there to do anyway if we get hit, sue the IRS? Nice try! Why is it as per the gun issue, other countries get by without the same degree of hurt?

    1. jmch Silver badge

      Re: 'IRS has tooled up to deal with fraudulent tax claims.'

      "Tax-Back fraud has been in full swing for 2 decades thanks to weak IRS processes"

      Why on earth have a tax system where refunding tax money is a huge part of the process? What that means is that they're not collecting the correct amount in the first place. I have long held that hugely simplifying the tax code (in any country.but I think US is a particularly egregious example) by stripping out most of the exceptions/rebatesand lowering the tax rates would result in (a) more total tax collected and (b) more people with more money in their pockets. Note that these 2 are not contradictory, since it is mostly richer people who can hire the best tax lawyers and use loopholes and rebates to reduce their effective tax rates to far below what the middle class pays.

      Effect (c) would be a negative effect on tax lawyers, but hey, no pain no gain, right?

    2. JCitizen
      Megaphone

      Re: 'IRS has tooled up to deal with fraudulent tax claims.'

      The IRS is minor compared to the Equifax breach - I don't actually believe Equifax is being honest about what data was taken - Everyone realizes that every address you have EVER lived at, is in their databases; I'm afraid I don't believe them, and that this is truly serious for everyone affected! Sure there have been many breaches in retail businesses and that is bad enough - but NONE of them holds a candle to having your WHOLE LIFE transferred to a crook that can now use this information to break in anywhere on the web or any brick and mortar establishment that you have an account with - and start a whole other life as you.. With that information, that can actually completely take over your ID and credit, and pwn your Equifax ID completely. This is how serious I believe it is - I don't care what Equifax says!! It could take 20 years to clean up the mess that was once your life!!

  2. herman

    So the IRS is saying BOHICA and get used to it?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Still haven't figured out the profile on people who were affected

    I wasn't affected and I checked for my mom and dad as well as they also weren't affected. We all have great credit scores, multiple credit cards, and a mortgage so it isn't like we don't use credit.

    The only thing I can think of is that we haven't opened any new credit accounts for a few years - no new credit cards, car loans, mortgage refinances, etc. Maybe that kept us out of that list of 143 million people?

    I agree with the IRS guy, I think it is virtually certain someone has stolen my personal information including SSN from somewhere already, and surely that's true of a lot of those affected by the Equifax breach. Most of us won't ever have identity theft issues because there's a limited market for identity theft. If there were tens of millions of cases of identity theft in a year, trying to manage that the current way would quickly become untenable.

    At that point, companies would no longer issue credit without further proof I am who I say I am beyond my name, address, and SSN. They'd probably require appearing before a notary who could check my ID - ideally someone at my local bank branch who might even know me. While showing an ID, which can of course be faked, and appearing at my local bank branch doesn't guarantee someone there might know me, requiring personal appearance at all raises the bar and at least keeps foreign fraudsters out of the game. Those in the US who try to play would significantly increase their chances of being caught by showing up somewhere that has a lot of security cameras. Today it is almost impossible to get caught so it is a lot safer of a crime to commit.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: Still haven't figured out the profile on people who were affected

      "I think it is virtually certain someone has stolen my personal information including SSN from somewhere already"

      I get the impression from the reports that you can almost be pwned just by walking past a hotel of one of the large chains.

  4. m-k

    already had their information

    this, combined with the latest contract award has a certain smell. But then, he wouldn't be THAT stupid to draw attention to their "special special relationship" (if any) with equif(...)s, would he?

  5. scrubber

    What's the problem?

    I've already changed my fingerprints, my retina and asked my mother to change her maiden name.

    1. Warm Braw

      Re: What's the problem?

      asked my mother to change her maiden name

      Hopefully not to scrubber...

  6. adam payne

    'The United States Internal Revenue Service has said that citizens affected by the Equifax breach need not panic, because it probably didn't reveal anything that hasn't already been stolen and the agency has tooled up to deal with fraudulent tax claims.'

    That statement is going to make everybody feel so much better.

  7. ThatOne Silver badge
    Joke

    > Koskinen added that Americans should assume their data is in criminal hands and act accordingly.

    That's a little harsh for Google...

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This is news?

    "IRS tax bods tells Americans to chill out about Equifax

    Your personal data was probably already in crims' hands".

    Isn't that a tautology? The IRS probably know what data they have...

  9. Aodhhan

    Talk about moronic thinking

    I guess he wouldn't mind then, if someone put all of his information on Pastebin.

    The difference about the information Equifax and other companies collect to determine risk is the HUGE amount of information they collect.

    They typically have information such as political party, how often you show up to vote, make/model/year, etc. about the past several vehicle purchases you've made, home ownership information, some health data, where you travel, how you travel, your spending habits, where you shop... etc. The list is huge.

    These companies collect so much information on an individual, that if something new comes up.. they create a new category immediately and start collecting.

    So while hackers may have some of my information, they likely didn't have a lot until Equifax was breached. Fact is, we still don't know yet what was taken, and Equifax isn't letting anyone know.

    The US Congress needs to step up and ask what information Equifax has on individuals. Then create laws to limit the information they can acquire and store.

  10. Gnosis_Carmot

    Misleading headline is misleading

    And the article body didn't bother to clear it up.

    What the IRS actually said is [1] that they've already taken steps on their own and [2]that people should assume their information is already in the hands of criminals and act accordingly.

    Number two is actually common sense. People should be monitoring their own data directly or through a monitoring company. The days where people could go for years without bothering to check their credit reporting data are over, and not just because criminals might get/have it.

  11. Fan of Mr. Obvious
    Thumb Down

    ...as the can bounces down the sidewalk

    Call me jaded, but this stinks of the beloved government putting out excuses for why they don't need to do anything about how personal data is monetized by companies with large lobbying budgets, without the consent of the individual who is the subject of that information. Indeed it is far easier to put an excuse on the wire than to do the work needed to fix the mess they allowed to manifest.

    If you don't like it, you can always call the complaint line for filing a complaint against a Federal or State Government entity at 1-202-224-3121. Not that anyone pays long distance fees anymore, but you just have to love that this is the only complaint line that is not a toll free number. Some may say this is a ploy to keep people from dialing that number out of fear it will cost them money. Me, I say US government has one heck of a great sense of humor.

  12. Lion

    Status quo is the message

    The usual response from any government agency is to quote statistics that shows them in a good light. They love percentages, e.g. improved by 20% or problems down by 20%. It sounds a lot better than using actual numbers, e.g. 50 million citizens were victims of tax fraud last year and this is down from 70 million the year before (these are not real numbers, I am just trying to make a point).

    There is approximately 140 million tax payers in the US, and the breach at Equifax compromised 143.5 million. The IRS Commissioner did not use this as an opportunity to say that the status quo can no longer be maintained or tolerated. Instead he stated that citizens should assume that their private identifiers have been compromised and they need to deal with it as best they can. The public would have been better served to hear from the Commissioner that the IRS is championing major changes within Treasury to address the problems that have arisen from the latest and previous Equifax breaches.

    It is more than likely that Treasury is waiting on Congress to compel them into action, so there was no opportunity lost here. The result is that the IRS keeps on feeding the hopper. Brilliant.

  13. Stevie

    Bah!

    Well, *I* certainly trust the IRS to look after my interests. I mean, if my taxes are fraudulantly filled out it's not like I'm guilty of fraud unless proven innocent ... hang on, I think I see a tiny flaw in the thinking.

  14. Eddy Ito
    Devil

    LOL

    I wonder if the other 145 million folks who got equi-hacked resubmitted their W4 to claim another dozen allowances to ensure they'll wind up owing the IRS next year like I did. Now I kinda hope someone files a fraudulent return and pays the IRS what I'm going to owe them.

    What's the matter taxman? Did you find the free loan we've been giving you all these years evaporate? Cry me a river.

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