Always said that hornets are scumbags.
Thousands of hornets swarm over innocent fire service drone
A Jersey-based drone was brutally attacked by a swarm of Asian hornets after disturbing a nest thought to contain thousands of the angry insects. The brave drone was attacked by the hornets while being used by the Jersey Fire and Rescue service to locate the creatures' nest. Asian hornets are an invasive species which feeds on …
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Monday 4th September 2017 17:02 GMT Anonymous Coward
Stop the racism
Can we stop with the racism please. It's out of order to be picking on Asian hornets like that. We shouldn't assume that they're going to be badly behaved just because they're foreign; surely if we give them a chance, they might settle down and learn to behave like European hornets?
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Monday 4th September 2017 17:28 GMT Anonymous Coward
"Scumbags" is understating matters
Always said that hornets are scumbags.
These hornets are actually spectacularly bad - if they gain a foothold in Jersey or in the UK they are quite capable of wiping out a substantial part of the ecosystem because they have no natural predators there. They really are no joke.
It's no exaggeration to call these hornets one of the single most dangerous threats to the ecosystem for quite a few years, and thanks to global warming conditions for them become more favourable year on year. They're not the only species able to migrate due to the warmer weather, but at present they are one of the most dangerous ones.
Download the app, and report ANY you see so they can be dealt with (the app makes that easy). Last but not least, stay away from them - they fly much faster than you can run.
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Monday 4th September 2017 19:10 GMT Nick Porter
Re: I think Torvalds is losing it
Those aren't the ones that are invasive in Europe. In fact the Asian hornets that we have (Vespa velutina) is actually smaller than the native European Hornet (Vespa crabro).
Of course this hasn't stopped various tabloid printing pictures and scare stories about the Asian Giant Hornet (Vespa mandarina) which has never been found in Europe.
By the way hornets, of any size, have plenty of predators in the UK - I've seen them taken by magpies, kestrels, merlins and even emperor dragonflies. That's not to say that they aren't a serious threat to bee colonies but the whole "giant mad asian hornets will sting your babies" thing is is getting silly.
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:42 GMT Chris G
Re: Where's the AI angle?
There is probably a niche market there for someone to repurpose Reaper drones to tackle these buggers and other similar pests. 'I love the smell of naplam first thing in the morning'
Asian Hornets are like the Bruce Lee of the wasp family, very fast and deadly, they even have the yellow and black track suit a la 'Game of Death'
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:55 GMT bombastic bob
Re: Where's the AI angle?
"Isn't someone developing an algorithm to steer "search and destroy" drones that can rid the planet of hornets and wasps"
genetically engineered diseases would probably work better [so long as they don't jump across species]
And then I'd like to add a few more bugs to that 'genocide' list, from cockroaches to biting flies. Nature WOULD fill up the gaps, with species that are less irritating [or resistant mutations, which we'd have to go after on a case by case basis].
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Monday 4th September 2017 21:13 GMT Chris G
Re: Where's the AI angle?
@ bombastic bob. Wasps are not all bad, the common wasps eat a lot of things like crane fly larvae (leather jackets) that eat the roots of your lawn, they also prey on quite a lot of other larvae. Wasps are at their worst when the queens stop laying and there are no wasp larvae in the nest, they normally depend on a sugary excretion from the larvae that is their food. That's why at the end of summer early autumn wasps are all over your jam sandwich at a picnic, they are literally starving to death. Other wasps, the parasitic ones are important for keeping things like cereal moths down as they lay eggs in the moth larvae a bit like Aliens and without the non pollinating fig wasp there would be no figs. Wasps probably play at least as big a part in the ecosystem as bees if not bigger, with no wasps there would be a lot of other unpleasant bugs around.
Just try not to piss them off when they piss you off!
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/in-defence-of-wasps-why-squashing-them-comes-with-a-sting-in-the-tale-a7144306.html
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Monday 4th September 2017 21:37 GMT TRT
Re: Where's the AI angle?
Does this count? As usual The Simpsons did it first.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 05:46 GMT Triggerfish
Re: Where's the AI angle?
As others have said, ecological disaster and for the most part you leave em alone they will leave you alone. Even if it lands on you stay still don't flail about it will probably just take off an leave. Mosquitos and other annoying insects also fall in the category of pain but getting rid may not be a good idea. mossies for example pollinate and feed a lot of bats.
Also I have hit an Asian Hornet with one of those electric bug tennis rackets, it just looked annoyed any drone would probably have to be a scaled down Apache gunship.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 10:46 GMT Triggerfish
Re: Where's the AI angle? @Stoneshop
I could do with one for the balcony. :)
I would think that would do the job, dodgy one from a Thai market that had hell of a zap and vaporised mossies, just caused it to sit there and crackle while looking like an angry manga death wasp, a tad disconcerting.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 11:54 GMT Stoneshop
Re: Where's the AI angle? @Stoneshop
At home we have a smallish industrial unit with two of those blue/UV tubes (rural area with insects of various species being common occurrence, so it's worth its weight in gold), and recently the (electronic) ballast went to meet its maker*. Taking a peek inside the zapping business was a 1kV transformer rated at a couple of mA, with interlock switches so that getting the cremation tray out would not be fraught with tension.
Regular mozzies and fruit flies just go *brzt*, but several other flying irritants sometimes manage to frizzle for several seconds, some even ten or more, and stink up the place to boot.
* Italian, so utterly unsurprising.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 13:16 GMT TheVogon
Re: Where's the AI angle? @Stoneshop
"At home we have a smallish industrial unit with two of those blue/UV tubes"
I have an Insectocutor near my conservatory with one round UV tube. It's very effective when fitted to a dusk-till-dawn security plug. The large tray underneath is quickly filled with incinerated insect parts....
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Monday 4th September 2017 20:15 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: Eek!
Concur.
They are becoming more common too. We shared a beach with them in Lun in Croatia this summer and there were some around in late August when we had lunch in Kassel near the river. It will not get into your plate, picnic basket, glass, etc. It has no interest of you and it minds its own business which is killing other insects. You can see it landing on a stone or a bush next to you, cleaning itself, then taking off and minding its own business.
Granted, having them around is like having a neighbor with a machine gun, but usually, if you do not mess with them, they do not mess with you.
The real danger are the nests - the hornets have a different attack mode defending a nest - they release a hormone marking you as a target and then you are pretty much a guaranteed hospital case.
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:12 GMT Tom 7
Re: Eek!
Too right. I'm allergic to uk wasps ( I have several land speed records to prove it) and it seems these bastards are even more aggressive. We have some European Hornets nesting around here somewhere but they're a bit like big dogs - no need to be aggressive - and seem quite chilled most of the time - assuming I'm not making Bolt look like he's standing still.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 11:56 GMT Pigro
Re: Eek!
Yup, I have two fig trees in my place in Italy, and there is constant traffic from european hornets. We sit on the back terrace, about 10 feet from the nearest fig tree, and no hornet has ever paid us the slightest bit of attention. Even when I climb the tree in mid-August, to pluck the best figs, they will coexist quite happily in general.
Glad their nest isn't in my garden, though!
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 12:52 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: Eek!
Even when I climb the tree in mid-August, to pluck the best figs, they will coexist quite happily in general.
Pretty much describes them - you do not mess with them, they do not mess with you. You will not find them trying to get into your plate, drink, etc. They like fig and olive tree gardens because there is plenty of insects to hunt including other wasps. They are nowhere as keen on bees as people pretend them to be. The reason is that high dose of sugar is actually lethal for wasp young. So the adult has to do extra work to squeeze every bit of nectar out of bees. As a result if they can raid a wasps nest they will do so instead of raiding beehives.
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Monday 4th September 2017 20:13 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Doesn't bear thinking about
Used the get the European ones in a flat I rented, first time I saw one my mind didn't work very well as references like "known size-range for wasp" said it was "really close" but it's shadow was on the far wall and it's noise was far too low. After a while I got used to them and if I heard that hum in the place I'd let it out without bother to me or them.
I read they would bump you as a warning before stinging, can't kill polite insects now can we.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 12:39 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
Ficam D is applied in SMALL quantities directly to the nest entrance. This minimises the chance of ANY other animal coming into contact with it. It is also one of the only fully reversible acetylcholinesterase inhibitors. It is MUCH safer than Fipronil for that very reason. ANY qualified pestie is aware of the potential hazards and wont spray if there is a wind and a waterway nearby.
Which is why, in the UK, Ficam-D is the preferred wasp treatment.
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Friday 8th September 2017 09:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
No. I didn't. That's what ladders, hoists and cherry pickers are for.
And if any local bees are attracted to your fipronil bait?? Fipronil is extremely effective because it stays toxic almost indefinitely.
Its used in cockroach control and will work up to 7 iterations down the line, so one lethal dose to one roach is lethal for the next 6 that eat that one!!!
I'll wager my ficam causes less collateral damage than your fipronil.
THATS why the UK doesn't routinely use it for wasp control.
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Monday 4th September 2017 20:13 GMT Solly
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
The problem is preventing the existing insect species also exposing themselves to the Fipronil.
Perhaps someone could use machine learning of these hornets, sorta like hotdog not hotdog
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/07/10/skills_for_ai/
but with images of the hornets. A camera on a dual baited switchable food dispenser (one benign, the other poisoned) could use such a system where only the Asian Hornets receive the poisoned trough?
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:16 GMT Tom 7
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
Not sure what they're like at night - my dad used to go out with a torch and cut out wasp nests from bushes and pop them into a plastic bag and then in the freezer and he said they dont come out just buzz warnings.
Bloody works of art those nests!
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:36 GMT Korev
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
When I was young my dad found a wasps' nest in a granite wall in the back garden. He cemented it up and figured that it was all sorted; he noticed that they seemed to be trying to get though the cement and figured that they were wasting their time. The next day there was a hole in the cement about half a centimetre big with the workers flying in and out of it!
What he should have done (from orbit of course), although it may have made a mess of their conservatory....
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Monday 4th September 2017 18:59 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
I've seen them chew through mastic where folks decided to just seal the entrance to the nest area.
What you have to take into account is that you are separating a mother from her young and both will do anything to be reunited.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 14:04 GMT Doctor Syntax
Re: "drone was attacked by the hornets while being used [..] to locate the creatures' nest"
"He cemented it up and figured that it was all sorted"
Best thing is to get the insecticidal foam. Either they fail to get through (I've seen them milling around without actually trying to get through) it or they carry it back to the nest. Either way is effective. Then cement it up.
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Monday 4th September 2017 17:57 GMT Dwarf
Increase the revs to full power !
So, we've found their weakness and it seems simple to exploit, make the blades out of meta, turn up the revs l and go find the hornets.
Generally this is no different to what they do to male chicks in the chicken farms, so I'm sure it won't upset any of the insectists (assuming that's the equivalent of an environmentalist for bugs).
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Monday 4th September 2017 20:32 GMT handleoclast
Paraffin is the answer
Paraffin was my father's remedy for wasp nests.
Of course, there was a little more to it than that.
1) Ball up a sheet of newspaper.
2) Fill empty washing-up liquid bottle with paraffin.
3) Squirt a little paraffin on newspaper.
4) Ignite newspaper.
5) Throw burning newspaper to ground directly below nest.
6) Squirt paraffin at burning newspaper then move jet up towards nest.
7) Keep squirting paraffin at nest until it's all burned up.
8) Keep squirting anyway, to catch the wasps returning home and see them fly into the flames.
Works for nests in hedges (the hedge does grow back, eventually).
Works for nests in holes in the ground.
Works for nests in dry-stone walls.
Works for nests in attics, although there may be some collateral damage.
Icon for obvious reasons.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 17:16 GMT TheVogon
Re: Paraffin is the answer
"Works for nests in attics, although there may be some collateral damage."
Amazon sell little plastic fumigation candles that you light and then burn for about 30 seconds and then emit a cloud of white insecticide smoke. One of those set in the middle of my loft cleared out a large nest in my eaves without issue...
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Monday 4th September 2017 21:26 GMT Voland's right hand
Re: Can I get a pinch of salt?
You need a bucket. They had some pictures of the Indonesian variety which is the most venomous wasp on the planet to illustrate one of their articles. Same article, further down, a giant Japanese one. They live like f*** 4000km+ away from each other.
Here is the article for the reference:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2462797/30-Chinese-children-suffering-organ-failure-stung-giant-hornets.html
First pic is indonesian, second is Vespa Mandarina. Article after that surprise surprise spreads scare stories that we got these too. Neither of them had anything to do with the Chinese incident by the way. If a child was stung 10+ times by either one of them the child would be not hospital, but morgue material.
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Monday 4th September 2017 21:33 GMT bee_paul
Info on Asian hornets in UK
You can read up on the Asian hornet threat to the UK at the British Beekeepers site here: https://www.bbka.org.uk/members/asian_hornet_an_update_and_request_for_increased_vigilance
It's widespread across France, and is destroying a large number of bee colonies there each year; it is much more predatory than the European hornet.
First nest found last year in UK was at top of 55ft tree, and I'm told this is typical. So don't imagine you're going to tackle it yourself; call in the contacts on that webpage.
The figure of 200 queens is scary but luckily 95% of them die over a typical winter. Still bad news that 10 queens could start a new nest the following year. Try to trap them in Feb as they emerge before they set up new nest. Watch video on making your own monitoring trap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR6MUekAjMo&t=2s
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Monday 4th September 2017 23:24 GMT handleoclast
Re: Info on Asian hornets in UK
Maybe they'll kill the oak processionary moths that have appeared in the south-east of England. They're similar to the pine variety that plague France. Very nasty things.
Our climate used to be too cold for them to survive here. It's a good job global warming doesn't exist (ask Bombastic Bob for details) or we'd have a lot more of them. /s
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Wednesday 6th September 2017 12:54 GMT Potemkine!
Re: Info on Asian hornets in UK
It's widespread across France, and is destroying a large number of bee colonies there each year;
Here in southern France we saw plenty of asian hornets last year; much less this one.
I hope the lack of genetic diversity begins to stop the invasion!
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 06:38 GMT Anonymous Coward
Nest in Garden
I had a European hornet nest in our garden last year. I came to an amicable arrangement with them - I wont disturb you if you dont disturb me. Seemed to work OK and we managed to carry on alongside each other without any problems. The nest disapppeared over winter and I've not seen one hornet this summer. You can live happily alongside these hornet and wasps nests if yiu choose not to antagonise each other.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 08:18 GMT imanidiot
Re: Nest in Garden
European hornets, german and common wasps are not actually agressive like most people seem to think. Leave them alone and they don't care about you. These Asian hornets however need to be exterminated with extreme prejudice. Not only are they more agressive but they do massive damage to native insect populations.
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Wednesday 6th September 2017 12:26 GMT handleoclast
Re: Nest in Garden
@cornz 1
My parents had a few apple trees. Apples would fall off, become bruised, and start to ferment. Which attracted loads of wasps, who then went on all-day benders.
I am of the opinion that wasps are the skinheads of the insect world. They get pissed and start fights. If you're lucky they get so pissed that all they can do is stumble around on the ground and you can give them a good kicking. If you're unlucky they don't indulge quite so much and do some drunken flying and stinging.
Bastards.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 08:01 GMT Outer mongolian custard monster from outer space (honest)
Had asian hornet nest here (mainland europe). All summer the hornets were mooching round the house and patio looking for food, and they were BIG. Not incredibly aggressive but not something thats pleasant to share a room with when theyve annoyed after been trapped in there. We'd not been able to find the nest then a neighbor pointed it out as it was way up in the treeline on a boundary that it was binoculars territory to confirm what it was, and they were having the same experience.
So we called the fire brigade as they deal with them here as theyre dangerous, and they came out and confirmed it was a asian hornet hive, but it was so high they were talking of us privately hiring a specialist lift access platform so they could deliver the poisen, 1000e for a day... I was mulling over how I could use my drone to deliver some poison to the nest direct or how it would cope with being attacked while doing this but that night, the nest mysteriously fell out the tree after a large gunshot sound from the neighbors garden during the early hours, and the firebrigade were called to come and deal with the peed off mass now sat on the ground underneath the tree which they did wearing masses of protective clothing. They took part of the nest off for analysis, and the rest and some of the larve were taken to the local schools to teach them about them.
So yeah, a) I'm shocked nobody is yet using drones for poisen control delivery, and b)theyre dangerous buggers.
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Tuesday 5th September 2017 11:17 GMT Alistair
Buggers
(Literally apparently)
Those hornets sound nasty. I'm hoping *we* never get them -- we've enough trouble with the Asian Horned Beetle around here. (damned furriner bugs)
We have (northern left pond side) several varieties of hornet and wasps about. Last summer we ended up with wasps in the air gap between brick and framing of our house. Wasps being wasps I wasn't particularly concerned, although the entrance was over our back yard door, it was annoying, but not concerning -- our wasps are pretty laid back most times. I was *far* more concerned about the black hornets in the back shed, not because they're any less laid back but because the nest was at the back of a shelf in the shed where my smaller yard tools were stored, and I was quite certain one of us was going to toss a tool back on the shelf and whallop the nest. Thing is,in this case, the specific wasp variant, never reuses a nest, and the hornets were of the type that winter under ground. I'd no wasps this spring (and about 4 pounds of diatamaceous earth in the air gap as well) and the hornets nest was removed and donated to the youngest's school for educational purposes this spring.
My neighbour on the other hand spent an inordinate amount of time (we're in a semi) attempting to spray huge amounts of noxious substances into the vent gap the wasps were using as an entrance/exit, and at one point called the city to report it as a 'terrible risk' to their property and safety. I'd say the quantity of noxious poisons the damned twit was spraying on MY side of the property was the 'terrible risk' -- to MY family. Fortunately, the fellow from the city that showed up was one with both some experience in the real world and some awareness. He agreed it would be better to leave them mostly alone, and to deal with it in mid winter when they were dormant. -- so in late January I pumped the diatomatceous earth into the wall gap with the exhaust from my shop vac. -- And the damned idiot on the other side complained to the city *again* -- that I was spraying noxious chemicals into the air gap..... .fuxwits
All said, I'd still rather have the bugs about. Especially since I'm considering a full blown gardening exercise. They all contribute something to the system in some odd way.