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Cisco pink slips have started landing, with the company notifying the Californian government of 250 farewells. The layoffs are part of a planned 1,100 job losses worldwide, announced after the company's Q3 2017 earnings report. Switchzilla's trying hard to pivot to software rather than hardware, with its once-core routing …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ha - When in doubt, blame Trump.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Since Trump takes credit for job creation/saving he had nothing to do with, it is only fair to give him the blame for job losses he had nothing to do with!

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

        Well, he's already being blamed for all the crops rotting in the fields as illegal workers stay away since February.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          That he probably does have a lot to do with!

          It is still amazing to me that we try to solve the illegal immigration problem by enforcing it on the immigrants. If they'd gone after those who employ them with heavy penalties for knowingly employing someone not legally authorized to work in the US, there wouldn't be 11 million of them in the US now. But no one wants to go after the farmers, when they are the true cause of the problem!

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            not true

            if that were the case, then California counties would not be issuing explicit orders NOT to open their systems of record (for Benefits/welfare) to Federal ICE personnel.

            Direct welfare benefits to individuals of known undocumented status is and has been a reality for over a decade, knowingly enabling "coming here for the welfare" that certain people try to claim does not happen. Its not even a difficult or restricted query from the daily extracts to determine how many *overt* recipients there are. Counting the ones who only access EBT from outside American borders or right at the southern border, once a month-or the undocumented guardians of children born with citizenship but receiving benefits based on the numbers of members in the household (regardless of status) takes more work. No way to tell how many recipients who've signed the simple form authorizing someone else (not required to be a family member, and can be multiple cases accessed by a single individual) to have access to the EBT card are being used properly or improperly exploited by coyotes, "community members" or the like.

            Also, the repeated Amnesty programs don't help much either. there've been four that I'm aware of off the top of my head, and "surprisingly" there are a significant number of undocumented individuals who have deliberately chosen to remain undocumented after at least one of those. I can think of a few "activists" locally who've explicitly and publicly denied all 4 of these amnesty programs.

            when citizenship is/was given away freely, and many choose to deny it, what conclusion can we draw?

            anonymous because the trick of firing people for revealing politically inconvenient truths knows no Party boundaries

          2. Fatman

            Going after the farmers

            <quote>If they'd gone after those who employ them with heavy penalties for knowingly employing someone not legally authorized to work in the US, there wouldn't be 11 million of them in the US now. But no one wants to go after the farmers, when they are the true cause of the problem!</quote>

            BUT!

            BUT!!

            BUT!!!

            If you did that, then you are hurting those job creators with unnecessary government regulation, and driving up costs..

            That is not a business friendly way to achieve a reduction in illegal immigration. No doubt many of those farmers will wail: "We did not know that they are illegal immigrants!. as they exploit those immigrants.

            Why DO people immigrate?

            Often it is to achieve a better (by their home countries' standards) quality of life; sometimes it is to get away from war and strife. You can not blame someone for either of those reasons.

            The first reason is often due to the lack of jobs that pay a decent wage in their home country, due to many factors, including the elite that simply think they can get away with exploiting their countrymen. As for the second reason, just take a good look at the Middle East, the answer is there plain and simple.

      2. Phukov Andigh Bronze badge

        taking credit

        you mean like the last President, and the one before that, and so on?

        Only difference here is that it's a meme supported by media types who are supposed to be looking into the bigger picture, not playing politics. Especially if those same media types spoke against populist misconception during a different Party's time in power.

        Can't spend nearly a decade "giving credit" for positive growth and denying responsibility for negative growth-or saying nothing either way because that would be more accurate- then suddenly pivoting after November like the rules for macroeconomics somehow changed on that date.

        Like people ignorantly claiming "the world changed after 9-11" when terrorism (and political overreaction, and "never let a crisis go to waste") was an issue the whole world was dealing with for decades. Only the media focus and the direction of the political speeches changed. the world, did not.

        1. StheD

          Re: taking credit

          taking credit

          you mean like the last President, and the one before that, and so on?

          Oddly, the economy goes up when one party is in the White House, and down when the other party is. Has happened that way for quite a while.

          And only one President, our current one, got elected by claiming that the laws of economics no longer apply.

  2. Chairo
    Devil

    Great opportunity

    I foresee that some investor will buy the cubicles, add doors and give them for rent as luxury apartments.

    Probably more profitable than whatever Cisco did there.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: Great opportunity

      Hmmm..... a job as dogwalker in the cubicle-based luxury condo sure will be interesting.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    A lot of folk

    About to be CC N/A

  4. Randall Shimizu

    These cut backs are fairly small for a company that employees 71,000 people.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Not considering a lot of those are Mexicans. Proportionally (in financial terms) its quite a lot.

  5. Bandikoto

    Yet the cutbacks aren't small to the people being showed the door.

    How times change. The Cisco considered itself a software company (thus sayeth Rev. Chambers) in the early aughties shortly before Huawei was caught selling hardware running IOS, The Cisco's self-described "Crown Jewel" of software.

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/01/24/cisco_sues_huawei_over_ip/

  6. Phukov Andigh Bronze badge

    a victim of their own success?

    when many outfits are still running 5 year old Cisco hardware because it works just as well as it did when it came out of the box, and is fast enough for the actual requirements of the job, there's less incentive to buy new stuff.

    The writing on the wall was being seen locally here many years ago, as the resale market of used Cisco stuff after the dot-com bomb in Silicon Valley demonstrated that you didn't have to have the latest and greatest to get the job done. That attitude seems to have prevented repeat sales until devices actually failed instead of some "gotta have the new shiny in the Core" belief driving upgrade sales.

  7. Noonoot

    Old and bloated icons of the past

    Why blame Trump (note I am not a fan of him)?

    Cisco is laying off because there are too many employees for starters and they have nothing to do, additionally many of them are simply not up to scratch. Same story for Ericsson, IBM, and the other "biggies". They're so pompous and full of their own bureaucracy. They simply don't know how to innovate, and whilst they're stumbling, smaller companies are coming along and filling in the gaps, and doing it very well.

    The only reason they continue to survive is because they have massive stashes of cash. Unfortuntely, it's money being thrown to the wind.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Old and bloated icons of the past

      there are too many managers for starters and they have nothing to do, additionally nearly all of them are simply not up to scratch.

      FTFY.

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