back to article Super Cali goes ballistic, Uber drivers are stocious (allegedly!)

California is probing Uber for allegedly failing to ditch more than 150 sloshed drivers who picked up passengers using its dial-a-ride app. The US state's public utilities commission this week declared it "seeks to investigate and address Rasier’s safety culture and zero-tolerance policies and procedures" – Raiser being Uber's …

  1. getHandle

    ...a net loss of $2.8bn

    Taking the investors to the cleaners while they can?

    1. The Nazz

      Re: ...a net loss of $2.8bn

      At surge pricing rates too it would appear.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: ...a net loss of $2.8bn

        They are in a race trying to bankrupt taxi services in the areas they operate before they run out of other people's money.

        The founders and early stage VCs have probably cashed in on private sales long ago, so at this point it is more of a Ponzi scheme than a company.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: ...a net loss of $2.8bn

      "Taking the investors to the cleaners while they can?"

      Depends how they're reporting. Under GAAP (and most non-GAAP schemes) the key metric is net cash flow rather than P/L. The nature of the way the cost of equity-based compensation is recognised means the company recognises an on-paper loss of the compensation (i.e. the options and RSUs granted 4+ years ago) only when they vest and are exercised, and at their current valuation. Given the valuation of the company this ensures they will effectively never be profitable, even if their bank balance increases year-on-year.

      This has the entirely coincidental effect of ensuring the company won't pay tax for many years to come.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I'll bet Uber's a mean drunk

      Given what a bastard Uber is while sober.

  2. Adam 52 Silver badge

    "mandating they immediately suspend drivers accused of being under the influence of drugs or alcohol"

    Really? Any disgruntled customer can ruin the livelihood of any taxi driver?

    1. 2Nick3

      Which way do you error here? Not suspending the driver immediately, even if not mandated by law, surely opens Uber up to all kinds of liability. If they have a driver that they get a warning on crash and injure his next client then things get very ugly for them very quickly.

      And I would assume the driver knows this has happened right away via the app. If I were a driver being falsely accused of DUI I would drive right to the nearest police station and ask to be sobriety tested. That should resolve the investigation very quickly.

    2. Hollerithevo

      Any disgruntled customer...

      Any disgruntled customer can ruin the livelihood of anyone offering a service. You can swear you saw the waiter spit iny our soup. You can declare that the guy carrying your bags out to your car touched you in the wrong way. You can say a bank teller used racist words.

      If I were a passenger in an Uber vehicle 9not that Iever would be), I would certainly be reporting it if my driver were drunk as a skunk or threatening me. I know, crazy and mean...

    3. Truckle The Uncivil

      @Adam 52

      At least where I live that has always been the case. Immediate suspension for almost anything. Quickly settled though, so you income is hit but does not vanish - unless you committed the offence.

    4. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
      WTF?

      Re: Adam 52

      Do you really think having some Uber clown at a keyboard a zillion miles away is going to be able to determine the sobriety of the accused driver? They should suspend on the accusation, the way most taxi systems (in the US) do, pending investigation. The real question is "So how do they investigate?"

  3. Stoke the atom furnaces

    Stocious

    Great headline - I now know what Scots for p*ssed is.

    Where is the video of the Uber self driving car driving though the red light?

    Here :- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CdJ4oae8f4

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Stocious

      Yay, the regular Super Cali headline 8) It's the gift that keeps on giving. Combine that with a large US state that can be shortened to Cali where weird shit and lots of other stuff happens and it will be a regular for the foreseeable future.

      It's up there with the Private Eye "does anyone have a picture of an older man with a younger lady" for longevity but this one needs a bit of imagination to contort the headline according to the formula.

      Wedging "stocious" in there is a work of near genius.

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Stocious

        @gerdesj

        "does anyone have a picture of an older man with a younger lady"

        Would this do?

        http://www.private-eye.co.uk/blog/?m=201101

      2. Jedit Silver badge
        Headmaster

        "Yay, the regular Super Cali headline"

        Nobody's ever beaten the original newspaper headline recorded after Inverness Caledonian Thistle (AKA Caley Thistle) beat Celtic: "Super Caley go ballistic, Celtic are atrocious".

        Also this one doesn't match the song; it needs to drop a syllable in the second half. "Uber drivers stocious" works, as does "Uber hacks are stocious".

        Now if you'll excuse me, the wind just changed and I need to go back to work.

  4. Arctic fox

    Just when you think that it cannot get any worse at Uber........

    ..........we read something like this. 2Nick3 in his response to one poster's concerns about false allegations from a disgruntled customer where he writes "I would drive right to the nearest police station and ask to be sobriety tested" is of course entirely correct. The police will cooperate because they also want to be certain that the driver is sober.

    On a separate issue the subbing was highly entertaining:

    "Super Cali goes ballistic, Uber drivers are stocious.....

    This app maker's policies are something quite atrocious"

    Thumbs up for the Mary Poppins reference - that brings back childhood memories!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Pu1adxqUAg

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Just when you think that it cannot get any worse at Uber........

      "Thumbs up for the Mary Poppins reference"

      We've got two for the price of one. Don't forget number five here:

      https://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2008/dec/12/joy-of-six-headlines

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Just when you think that it cannot get any worse at Uber........

      I reckon it could do with dropping the "are" to make the subheading scan properly...

      1. Arctic fox
        Happy

        Re: "I reckon it could do with dropping the "are"............

        .................. to make the subheading scan properly..."

        It would indeed make it scan better but what about the grammar? What am I saying? Since when did Reggie's subbies bother about grammar?

        1. EddieD

          Re: "I reckon it could do with dropping the "are"............

          "Since when did Reggie's subbies bother about grammar?"

          At Chistmas, when they send her a card.

          If the sober up and remember.

      2. Tim Hines
        Pint

        Re: Just when you think that it cannot get any worse at Uber........

        Maybe "Super Cali goes ballistic, Uber drivers rat-arsed stocious."?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    sloshed drivers?

    If you really believe you have a sloshed Uber driver, call the cops, not Uber! Even if Uber suspends the driver right away, they're still driving home, which puts others at risk. By the time any internal "investigation" is processed, the driver is sobered up.

  6. JLV

    2.8B$ loss on 6.5B$ revenue? That's quite the cut, innit? What's the plan for profitability? What's driving this level of loss? It's not like they are building new cars or need massive fixed capital investments to get off the ground.

    Yes, they could planning to pull a Netflix and use their existing name recognition to pivot into autonomous cabs when those come in (just like Netflix went from mailing DVDs to streaming). But is that guaranteed? That's assuming that a) autonomous cars become a reality in the near future, i.e. before they run out of other folks' cash b) they are accepted to provide passenger services - not obvious given all the regulatory hurdles those cars, and Uber, are already getting whacked by and c) no one else bypasses the first-mover advantage and leapfrogs them at that point, either globally or as a succession of local competitors that take away their business.

    I don't automatically dismiss them as never-do-wells despite their arrogance, apparent sexism and lack of discipline - a lot of the bad press and pushback is coming from cities that have a vested interest to protect their very lucrative racket in unconscionably costly taxicab licenses. They could yet morph into a more competent and focused company.

    But they are facing a lot of challenges and the above lack of discipline and worsening reputation makes them a risky bet in a business that is after all driven by consumer perception.

    1. Roj Blake Silver badge

      What's the plan for profitability?

      1: undercut the local opposition to drive them out of business

      2: raise prices once a monopoly

      3: cut costs by introducing driverless cars

      4: profit.

  7. ckm5

    Raiser is a subsidiary of Uber, not the parent...

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/uber-regulatory-documents/country/united_states/RASIER%20Technology%20Services%20Agreement%20Decmeber%2010%202015.pdf

  8. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
    Pirate

    Really?

    "This report relates to complaints in 2014 and 2015 and we’ve significantly improved our processes since then.”

    Surely they ought to have been complying with the law from day one. This statement effectively admits they were not complying during the stated period and they knew it.

  9. Phukov Andigh Bronze badge

    wasn't long ago

    that even with all the negative reports, the tech blogs insisted on being supportive of the exploitative company that is Uber. Anyone bringing in concerns, raising awareness, or showing reports of negative behavior by drivers or the company was accused as being part of some Taxi Conspiracy.

    Now over the last few months, it all changes. Suddenly all of the same stuff that got us called liars, shills and worse, is now accepted truth by the *same people* who defended Uber against all criticism.

    The Cult of It's Just An App sure died suddenly.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I got in an Uber

    ...in South Africa...never again.

    Unless you want that "might not get there alive" feeling...I wouldn't recommend it.

    Dude kept trying to drive us into the townships. Screw that.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fat-shaming, too

    http://nymag.com/thecut/2017/04/tess-holliday-is-boycotting-uber-after-driver-fat-shamed-her.html

    Cannot be soon enough that all the drivers are robotic

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