Linus Torvalds lashes devs who 'screw all the rules and processes' and send him 'crap'

@kain

Assuming it actually happened.

I'm in no position to judge on that part but I do consider it a bit odd to read that someone wouldn't even test their own stuff. Making you all the more curious to who Torvalds is shouting at yet today this detail wasn't being shared. Even though he was previously all the more eager to directly address RedHat representatives and call them out for their horrid update. Yet now he choses to keep up anonymity?

I have no reason not to believe him, but it would have made more impact on me if he called out the people who actually did it.

In my opinion: seems some are good enough to be scolded at in public and some are special enough to be kept safe. Takes away the impact and reeks of double standards.

Of course: calling 'm out in public also gives the other party a platform to actually talk back.

"If you are stupid enough to try and ship code that does not build"

Probably it does build somehow. On their systems exclusively. It looks Linux is undergoing the same issue Windows underwent some time in the past too - the arrival of lame developers. It happens to any platform as soon as it becomes widespread enough.

> Sounds like these people did not do a single test or had some ultra weird setup requiring vague modules,api to build right.

That certainly rings a bell. *cough* *cough* systemd *cough* cough*

Torvalds = Trump?

Ever see them together?

Re: I for one would welcome --

You have to admit you must have a massive ego to submit that kind of code to Linus. Lets say massive ego + masochist. I'm surprised there was only one cuss word. That is tame rant for a boss let alone Linus.

Re: I for one would welcome --

I think the words are closer to "stupid fucking idiots".

Re: I for one would welcome --

But I think the word for someone submitting code that does not build is not "narcissist" but "traitor".

That assumes they owe you some loyalty.

Grasshopper ...

... allow me to impart some of the wisdom of the Ancient Coders: Do not begin to write code without first understanding full extent of the problem.

Re: Not surprise reaction from Linus

Lack of quality code comes from getting your code second hand, built by people paid to fulfill some paying companies own project, and then trying to send it out to the world.

Arguably, the amateurs who assembled your computer should have made sure that all the components came from respectable vendors supplying drivers for all major operating systems.

And the amateur buying said computer should have verified that the vendor was in the business of selling proper computers and not mere toys.

Good device drivers is mainly the hardware oems' responsibility. Many Windows installations have gone the way of the dodo due to dodgy third-party drivers. (MS writes very few drivers themselves)

Does the chip vendor publish enough to let someone write a driver?

(Clue: The answer in the majority of cases is "no", whether it be wifi, graphics, printers, ...)

You've had the bloody thing for 5 years ...

... and you seemingly can't even manage to use the keybr0ad properly. Why do I suspect that your wifi works just fine, when in the hands of a professional?

"mskes.the wifi"

If you're going to call out people for alleged incompetence it would look better if you could avoid it yourself. Maybe your problem is closer to home.

You've never heard of a USB WiFi adaptor?

Did you try ndiswrapper?

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/43752/how-to-install-a-wireless-card-in-linux-using-windows-drivers/

Hstubbe: maybe you can share the name of the manufacturer of your laptop to see if we can grill them long enough to provide anything useful for getting your wi-fi going.

In the mean time, reading through your other postings, what happened to the idea of buying a Mac and running VMs in there to end your troubles?

Re: NEWSFLASH!

"Man known for shouty & sweary outbursts....has a shouty & sweary outburst."

You really should have read the article before commenting.

Shouting? There's scarcely an expletive to report in Torvalds' post, which is rather tame compared to past missives.

Even better, read the announcement the article links: http://lkml.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/1703.0/03031.html

Go on, read it now.

What was that you were saying?

Testing Testing Testing

"How can anyone working towards something as important as the Linux kernel not do at least at much?"

Nobody has created comprehensive code testing processes for Linux. Nobody is continuously improving those testing processes. Nobody is working to ensure all code submitted gets tested to a high standard. Nobody is paying them to test their own code. Nobody is standing over them ordering to test their code. Nobody gets their code and tests it independently. Nobody reviews their code. Nobody provides the sort of expensive hardware systems to run exhaustive tests on their code to ensure a high level of hardware compatibility over multiple platforms (not just two or three).

Linux is Open Source written in the main by folks who are doing it as a hobby. I have a vision of Mr. Torvalds standing up on a stage screaming "Testers! Testers! Testers!" while throwing chairs.

Re: No excuse

"I'm getting a Raspberry Pi soon so I can also test on that."

As a little footnote to all the people claiming as usual that LInux is flaky, difficult, cli driven - I've just set a Pi up as a temp. measure after my wife's laptop died after she spilt water all over it . She wanted access to the laserprinter which lives on my file-server. So I installed the GUI printer controller from the (GUI) synaptic software installer and when I clicked on it it had found the printer and was all set to go. That was even easier than on the laptop (OpenSUSE 13.2)

Re: Linus

Another one who couldn't be bothered to read before commenting. I've given the link in a previous comment. Go read it.

Re: Charity case Torvalds gets what he he pays for.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/whos-writing-linux-today/

"Leading the way were Intel employees with 10.5 percent of Linux code to their credit. Following Intel was Red Hat, 8.4 percent; Linaro, 5.6 percent; Samsung, 4.4 percent; IBM 3.2 percent; and SUSE, 3 percent."

Maybe it's Intel & co who are the charity cases. Torvalds is managing their product development for them.

Re: Charity case Torvalds gets what he he pays for.

"If Torvalds were to treat his workers like human beings and pay them like professionals and he'd attract better quality developers."

You're sounding like a stuck record. I'd venture to suggest that reading some of the links you've been pointed to might unstick it.

I had a gigabyte mother board with an on board NIC that hated Ubuntu. It would disconnect and reconnect to the network every 30 seconds.

Sounds like what the usual Realtek crap ones do if you actually try to push any real traffic through them. I've given up on them and always install intel NIC. They just work. The Realtek is fine for emergency ssh, bit of SNMP,etc but trying any heavier traffic locks (at least some of) the RTL NICs up.

Not to mention dual/quad Intel NICs are dirt cheap on tat bazaar so it is not worth fighting with the Realteks.

"WiFI seems to be hit or miss. [...] But it's not limited to just wi fi."

WiFi is particularly prone to flakiness, however, because it depends on the quality of the WiFi at the other end and that's usually some "new" (at least when the router was built) chip, chosen for cheapness and driven by equally new (version 1.0) driver code and never updated since.

Re: Linus Torvalds or Donald Trump?

"Both are idiots who can't control their mouths."

And yet another numpty who hasn't read the article before commenting.

Pro-tip - sometimes you can't rely on el Reg headlines. You really have to read the article.

Re: Just wrong on the squiggles

"while Linus insists on accepting code only with squiggles in the *wrong* places, he can go F himself."

So you don't like the way the one's complement operator is used in the linux kernel. Don't you think you're over-reacting?