back to article NVMe SSD? Not yet, says Pure, but promises to deliver it

Pure's NVMe-Ready Guarantee promises every newly purchased FlashArray//M can be upgraded to full NVMe through their Evergreen Storage program. NVM Express (NVMe) is a standard memory-class protocol for CPU-to-media communication, and came into being generally as a standard driver for PCIe-connected flash cards. The protocol …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Upgrade

    If you are changing the hardware out, it's not an upgrade, it's a forklift, no matter what the marketing department " guarantees".

    And selling on futures is an early warning sign...Pure is running out of steam. Violin also had some great stuff " coming in the future"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Upgrade

      Not really - there are two aspects here.

      1.) SSDs and shelves - these can be swapped pretty easily and without interruption. Don't need to go into detail.

      2.) Their heads work in an active/passive manner. Again, these swap out non-disruptively and you get free ones anyway with maintenance.

      Job done - I don't think that's a fork lift, your understanding of a fork lift (or their architecture) is flawed.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Upgrade

      "Forklift" in the storage industry means moving everything to a completely new array. Pure just swaps controllers, with no downtime. Find someone else that does that.

      Everyone has new stuff coming in the future.

      1. dpk

        Re: Upgrade

        Most storage vendors can perform controller swaps without bringing the system down. That's not really new.

        Pure's argument is that there is no Forklift upgrade because there is no migration of data from one array to another. Swapping controllers is just like your grandfather's axe. You might never have bought a new axe, but you certainly don't have the old one either.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Upgrade

          "Pure's argument is that there is no Forklift upgrade because there is no migration of data from one array to another."

          That's not "an argument", that's just the definition of "no forklift upgrade".

          "Swapping controllers is just like your grandfather's axe. You might never have bought a new axe, but you certainly don't have the old one either."

          So what happened to the axe?

      2. Trevor_Pott Gold badge

        Re: Upgrade

        "Pure just swaps controllers, with no downtime. Find someone else that does that."

        Uh...lots of companies? Especially the pure SDS ones.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Upgrade

        Nimble can

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Upgrade

          "Nimble can"

          So... Nimble can upgrade their current array controllers to support NVMe without bringing them down?

          Umm no. They can't.

          1. Nick Dyer

            Re: Upgrade

            *Nimble employee*

            Lets put this FUD to rest... a Nimble controller CAN be a live upgrade.

            We can also do firmware upgrades live in the middle of the day without needing support intervention/handholding/dictation on an enterprise, 6x9 primary storage system. All thanks to Infosight.

            I'll just leave this here...

            https://www.nimblestorage.com/blog/go-ahead-update-your-storage-operating-system-in-the-middle-of-the-day/

            By the way - that's not to say either is a good idea. Maintenance windows should ALWAYS be taken.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Upgrade

              Nick, the question isn't whether or not Nimble or Pure can do a live controller swap, both of those are pretty well established. The question posed before your comment is will Nimble support live, non-disruptive upgrades to support NVMe in existing systems?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "NVMe Ready"

    Just like TVs labelled "HD Ready" and "Freeview", which couldn't receive Freeview HD without a separate box.

    1. Archaon

      Re: "NVMe Ready"

      "Just like TVs labelled "HD Ready" and "Freeview", which couldn't receive Freeview HD without a separate box."

      Not really - those are two separate items.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Oh dear, oh dear

    Announcing support for stuff in the future and promising it to customers without any meat on the bones, and probably won't ever happen without a tonne of caveats...

    ...did Pure hire Tegile's marketing team or what?!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Innovation

    Last time i checked, most of the storage vendors out there were calling larger SSD's innovation. The sooner people start talking about NVMe the better. It's just unfortunate that the companies who retrofitting disk systems for Flash know that talking NVMe and Flash futures burns their own architectures at the stake.

    While it's always a dangerous move to talk about futures, the proof will play out in the coming year.

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