back to article 'Double speak' squawk users as Silent Circle kills warrant canary

Silent Circle has quietly euthanized its warrant canary for 'business reasons' leading privacy pundits to freak out over double negatives and double speak. The much-loved privacy company offers the hardened BlackPhone geared to business folks who want to frustrate the surveillance state and criminals. Like others, its warrant …

  1. Voland's right hand Silver badge

    Squeak

    "I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of canaries suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    'didn't recieve'

    I thought it was the other leg of the story, but now it appears I was clickbaited by a speeling vultur :(

  3. Fazal Majid

    A National Security Letter is not a warrant

    Parse the careful semantics.

  4. Martin Taylor 1
    FAIL

    Warrant canaries

    Warrant canaries, like the real ones, don't sing when triggered - they fall off their perch and die.

  5. Adam 1

    So I guess they won't mind putting it back for a day or two to prove it?

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: putting it back for a day

      Mr. Praline: "Look, I took the liberty of examining that parrot when I got it home, and I discovered the only reason that it had been sitting on its perch in the first place was that it had been NAILED there."

      Anyway - did Silent Circle receive a NSL making them drop the warrant canary or not?

    2. NotBob

      One assumes putting it back would defeat the purpose...

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    It was a business decision

    Of course it was, nobody is expecting the janitor to go and do it on his own. The issue is that, if it were a proper decision, there should have been publication of the intent.

    It's really unbelievable that, in the 3rd Millennium, we have Internet-facing companies that have still not understood that when you're dealing with the public, you make public-impacting decisions publicly.

    If you display something that the public gets used to, you can't yank it out on a whim (hey, Yahoo!, you hear that ?). The list of companies that have gotten grief from doing just that is longer than I care to type here so it's not news, yet these guys didn't get the frakkin memo.

    The Internet remains a wonderful education tool. I hope these clowns get all the schooling they deserve.

    1. Dale 3

      Re: It was a business decision

      You didn't use an icon so I'm not sure if you were serious or being sarcastic. In case you were serious... you do understand how warrant canaries work, don't you? It's a statement affirming that they haven't (yet) received any secret warrants which they aren't allowed to reveal publicly. If they subsequently receive one, they "yank" the warrant canary. It's not done "on a whim" as you say, it's the entire point. If they say "business reasons", well maybe that's because they're not allowed to say the real reason.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        I may have not made myself perfectly clear : by having yanked the canary without any prior notice, the public has no choice but to consider that the canary is indeed dead and warrants have been served.

        By mumbling something about a "business decision", these guys are trying to make it sound like they had decided to do it for other reasons. If that were true, they should have made an announcement that they were retiring the canary on a given date, then retired said canary on said date.

        They didn't, ergo one must consider a dead canary no matter what they say.

        Funny how tax evasion is way easier than acknowledging a simple warrant.

        1. ElReg!comments!Pierre

          I don't see what's confusing to you.

          The aim of the canary was to die if they were to receive a secret warrant and were subsequently under duress to tell customers that they did not receive such a warrant. Seems like it has worked quite well.

  7. Pete 2 Silver badge

    user data

    > "not related to any warrant for user data which we have not received”

    so they received a warrant (or: didn't NOT receive a warrant) for something other that user data.

    Really: any programmer past novice level deals with more complex conditionals than this every day.

    Nobody here is unfamiliar with De Morgan's theorems, are they?

  8. RType23

    Nah, it's just resting a bit....

    Look, matey, I know a dead canary when I see one....

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    What other options are there?

    I own a Blackphone 2. Its pretty mediocre. It needs charging twice a day. Much of the phones selling points shocked me because they should be part of every phone as standard. Readers of El Reg rightfully make much of the invasion of privacy and tracking that is Windows 10, but its piddling compared to the average smartphone (especially Android).

    I had avoided smartphones for a long time for privacy reasons, but the Blackphone seemed to be an option. However all it really does is (sort of) allow you to have a phone that has the option to install and use apps in a 'space' that supposedly does not have Google's tentacles deep into it. It permits you to have quite fine grained controls over what apps can and cannot access - but this should be fucking standard on all phones, not a specialist phone selling point.

    But its still basically an Android phone, e.g. a fucking phone pwned by Google.

    If you have an Android phone, take some time to peek into the default settings of many of the software components. The default keyboard on the 'privacy' Blackphone 2 sends data back to Google. It has the Google app with its open mic running out of the box. The default browser in the latest 3.0 version of their OS is the fucking Google Chrome browser: you cant even use it without granting permissions to Google et al to snoop on you. I have been reporting issues to Silent Circle about their phone for months now, most of them very basic security issues, and my impression is that they are more young hipster coders than security focused software engineers.

    Even the basic phone Blackphone 2 design suggests form over function. Users like me want a solid private phone. Give me an ugly functional brick with a battery life longer than 8 hours, a detachable external mic, cameras with physical obstructions (if you don't trust the software) not a high gloss Apple wannabe product. It barely works as a phone - their engineers keep dialing down the phone connectivity (somehow) to save battery to the point that its almost impossible for people to call me.

    Thanks for drawing my attention to the Silent Phones requirement to access the camera. I shall be dropping some shit on their customer support later for that.

    Has anyone experience of the Ubuntu phone? How much privacy is lost by default to Ubuntu and its masters?

    Is it too much to ask to have a small mobile device that is a phone but which also allows me to access the internet with a modern browser? And which does what I tell it do and nothing else? You know, something like a computer...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What other options are there?

      You could try something like this:

      https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/piphone-home-made-raspberry-pi-smartphone/

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What other options are there?

        You could just assume you're being spied upon. All available hardware has proprietary black boxes and all the software is 0-day swiss cheese. Trust nothing.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          No phones can possibly offer true privacy today

          The big gap in modern smartphones is the baseband, which the maker of the phone or its OS has no control over. They get it from whoever provided their baseband processor, typically Qualcomm. There are no open source basebands, which is why there is reputedly the ability for spooks to silently "call" a phone and have it serve as a bug by enabling its microphone without it ringing or anything showing up on the screen but no way to confirm or deny this, or prevent it even if confirmed. Such ability probably depends on the baseband being used, but if there's a backdoor for that in Qualcomm's for example it doesn't matter whether you have an iPhone, Samsung, Blackphone, Blackberry or whatever if it uses Qualcomm cellular chips.

          There are rumors that Apple is including a "dark mode" in iOS 10 that will allow a simple one-touch method in control center of disabling cellular entirely while leaving wifi active, unlike airplane mode which disables all both cellular and wifi. This is already possible today but you have to enter the settings app, enable airplane mode and then re-enable wifi, and most people don't even know it is possible to do this. There's an umarked sixth button added to the five on the top of the control center that will supposedly be used for this. If that is implemented by powering off the baseband, you would be protected against this sort of thing and could still use wifi calling. If they do that, they'll basically be declaring open war on the authorities, furthering the battle they began this spring by refusing to go along with the FBI's demands.

          Of course, this isn't a complete fix since it would only help in places where you have wifi (but still very good to prevent say corporate or government espionage listening in to meetings) A better fix may arrive eventually if the rumors are true that Apple will license Intel's baseband and build the hardware into their SoC. If they do that, they could develop the baseband software themselves and strip out any backdoors it may have. However, if you want absolute proof that's done Apple won't be good enough, you'll have to hope someday someone develops an open source baseband you could use on Android phones that have the right baseband hardware, and use a version of Android that has EVERYTHING Google-related stripped out.

    2. Christian Berger

      There are basic properties a secure system would have

      1. It would be as simple as possible: Every line of code is a potential bug which is a potential security hole. If your mobile OS is more complex than a Windows 3.1 system including MS-DOS it's most likely to complex.

      2. It should not make obviously false claims: You cannot protect data against physical access, and physical access is a very likely vector for mobile devices. So avoid companies which claim that they can store data on your device with no one being able to access it even when having physical access to the device. Most security chips can be read out by de-capping them and probing them directly.

      3. It must be open: Not just open for everyone to see and analyze, but also open for people to make simpler. Non open systems tend to be rather complex as they need to cater the needs for diverse groups of users. If however the user can directly manipulate code, there might not be a need for some complicated configuration features, as the same use could be gotten out of a function you change for a particular group of users. This can help to achieve point 1.

      4. There must not be an entity behind it: Entities can be manipulated into doing things easily. They can be forced to do things with national security letters. Instead you want products that are made by a loose collective of developers. It helps if you honor point 1, as simple code is simple to maintain.

      5. You must be able to control it: If your manufacturer can push updates onto your device without you being able to understand them, it can easily bypass all the security easily. You must be able to make your device talk to noone but you and your servers. This also means that if you store your data on a server, you must be able to store it on your own servers or servers operated by people you trust.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Drop it like a hot potato

    It doesn't matter what this means or why they did it. If they needed a warrant canary, their encryption is untrustable. Frankly anyone who ever used it was naive.

  11. zandor13

    No surprise here

    Why should this surprise anyone !!! Prior to launching the black phone and re-branding they were the top in my opinion in email security and encryption. But when the Gov decided that they wanted access, they capitulated and decided to get out of the market before anything happened. Since I personally know and served with one of the gentlemen involve in this project and would not have thought that they would run scared. What a wonderful world we live in !

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "It was a business decision"

    And the decision was that we don't want to go to jail for contempt of court.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    silent circle

    Silent circle products are CRAP. All are interceptable, and have memory exploit to listen the conversations. Even a kid could code a better one

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lack of balls

    This article shows a lack of balls on Silent Circle's part and El Reg's too, since the author could have and should have said something to the effect of:

    It appears very likely that they've received a legal demand they cannot disclose.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Grin

    Enjoying the warm feeling I got after reading the "Lack of balls" comment, admiring it, and then noticing the "Withdraw" - which means it was my comment I was admiring.

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