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Completed in 1983, IBM's prestigious South Bank office in London, on the banks of the River Thames, owes a lot to the Brutalist style of architecture, popular in the 1960s and 1970s. It makes heavy use of concrete: a solid building for a solid company. The IBM logo has been outside that building for more than 30 years, an …

  1. Justicesays

    Seemed pretty evident to me

    that Palmisano , Rometty and the other suits could give a crap about making IBM long term successful. Instead they have just been cutting the bottom line while frantically massaging the figures to keep both the share price and the EPS high.

    Given that they themselves are major recipients of the "value" they have "returned" to the share holders via their stock options etc, it seems there might be a smidgen of self interest there.

    In the meantime what signs of life might be trying to naturally arise in the manure they have left of the company are buried under the continual drive toward total bureaucratic gridlock as the policies and procedures evolve in ever more Kafkaesque ways.

    1. Dadmin

      Re: Seemed pretty evident to me

      Spot on!

      I'll add that I have first hand knowledge of working inside IBMGS, they didn't have any T when I was there. :P They are a company that you'd be very happy working for if you really, really, REALLY love to sit idle in meetings all day doing nothing, and making a nice check for your trouble. I was the last man at a multi person crew that was ousting all staff of a major financial company's largest of half a dozen data centers. Yeah, I did that thing. Once the bulk of staff were gone, I set into installing Raritan terminal servers on all the racks on the Unix side of the customer data center. This was so the Unix crew at IBM in Toronto could take over operations there. IBM was keen to have me join, but I said no thanks. Good pay, but uninteresting work, too many meetings, and playing the role of The IT Grim Reaper was not my cup of tea. This would have been in 2004 or 5, I think. Anyway, no surprises that they have lost their IBM Mojo. When you cater to Wall Street, you cater to shitheads. Customer is number one, number two better be your employees, or; number three you are out of business.

    2. Yes Me Silver badge

      Re: Seemed pretty evident to me

      "cutting the bottom line" sure. But the sad fact is that IBM revenue per employee has been terribly low for just about ever, which was all right when the profit margins on mainframes and SNA gear were obscene, but that was over 20 years ago. They never actually solved that problem. So it was all pretty much inevitable. Very sad indeed.

  2. Arthur the cat Silver badge

    IBM had respect for the individual?

    Bullshit. Look at how they treated Lynn Conway. Take a look at her Wikipedia entry as well. IBM totally wrote her out of the history of the invention of advanced CPU techniques..

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
      Windows

      Re: IBM had respect for the individual?

      IBM is basically the republican party of IT (without the little boy molesting show, hopefully), what did you expect to happen to a transgender person?

    2. Ian Joyner Bronze badge

      Re: IBM had respect for the individual?

      Thanks for telling us about Lynn Conway. Very interesting information which will take a while to read. But it is good to set the history straight on who came up with out-of-order instruction scheduling.

  3. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Windows

    IBM gear was never particularly good...

    It had the vague aura of Victorian-era staidness (just LOOK at those bezels and mainframe racks and the reassuring hum of salespersontransformer).

    "No-one ever got fired for buying IBM", yes... but only companies pulling in serious money or swimming in taxpayer largesse could afford to buy IBM. Apparent (and, often with IBM, subsequently surfacing) costs of IT were not really a factor in IBM-acquiring companies.

    The absolutely Good Thing about IBM is that it did/does its in-house blue-sky research and puts absolutely innovative stuff on the market. Unfortunately the IBM logo spoils the result, because it means awesomeness has been skillfully laminated with enough boring and ancient proprietary cruft to activate the PHB's hormonal system but maybe that's just me.

    1. Martin Gregorie

      Re: IBM gear was never particularly good...

      Much as it pains me to say so (as a non-IBMer I strongly dislike the company and its ethos), its QA and hardware build quality used to be second to none.

      I've used S/88, S/38 and AS/400 systems and, despite myself, been impressed by the reliability of their hardware and software. OK, stuff like RPG stinks from almost any elegance and usability criteria, but it did what it said on the tin and 'just worked'. Judged from the viewpoints of usability and consistency the OS/400 operating system is one of the greats, up there with UNIX, VMS and VME/B despite its too short file/command names (9 characters fer Chrissakes) and flat, non-hiearchic filing system.

      I was a developer/sysadmin on an AS/400, running under OS/400, for 18 months and don't remember a single hardware fail or system software bug. There's no other system I've used that I can say that about.

      Unfortunately.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: IBM gear was never particularly good...

        If you're talking about an experience from 20 years ago then I will agree.

        Today I've worked on many Linux/UNIX based system and even Windows servers which haven't failed during an 18 month period. That's not to say there aren't patches but we either haven't applied them or have only done so as a general precaution.

    2. Bakana

      Re: IBM gear was never particularly good...

      So "never particularly good" that many customers didn't know they had a "Computer Problem" until the IBM Repairman showed up to fix the problem that the Computer had Self Diagnosed and sent an e-mail notifying the local repairman that he needed to replace whatever circuit board was failing.

      It also sent a copy of the same e-mail to the Customer who owned the machine, but it's amazing just how many top executives don't bother to read their e-mail these days.

      Or they DID read it and ignored it because "It was only a Warning" that something was about to go wrong Next week.

      As if having a machine go down at a cost of $1,000,000++ per Hour was nothing to worry about. BTW, I'm not pulling that figure out of the air. I've worked on some really Large IBM systems that cost the corporation closer to $1,000,000 per Minute if they were down.

      But, hey, a computer that's smarter than the CIO isn't particularly "Good", is it?

      After all, you can get Fired for embarrassing the CIO like that.

  4. Anonymous Curd

    Watson is illustrative of how far the company has fallen. Watson, once upon a time, was the Jeopardy-destroying supercomputer, an incredible research achievement. Now it's nothing but a shared brand name for a dozen unrelated and overlapping second-tier technologies acquired across the last ten years.

    I work in data & analytics for one of IBM's biggest partners in Europe. I've had more presales briefs and insider training on "Watson" than I care to remember, and I couldn't for the life of me explain to you exactly what it is or what it does.

    I am increasingly of the belief that's it's fundamentally just a scheme to wrangle free tickets to Wimbledon, the F1 and the Rugby World Cup by sticking their sports into shit adverts for them all to feel good about.

    1. Code For Broke

      @AC of "Watson is illustrative..."

      Couldn't agree more. My last interaction with Watson was the recipe-wielding website supposedly powered by Watson. In spite of much bally-hoo, even from US public media, about the capabilities of the system, I found the UI profoundly enigmatic, and even after sticking with it much longer than the total prep time of three or four meals. I could only manage to eke out a recipe containing several ingredients I had not included in my inventory.

      Prior to that, I spent about a week of my life actively trying to figure out what had become of Jeopardy Watson, and walked away only slightly better understanding IBM's truly archaic cloud services (stone tablets and bronze chisels... in the Cloud) and nothing more.

  5. Mark 85

    Cringeley is spot on and not just about IBM.

    Robert X Cringeley wrote: "The lesson in all this – a lesson certainly lost on Ginni Rometty and on Sam Palmisano before her – is that companies exist for customers, not Wall Street. The customer buys products and services, not Wall Street. Customers produce revenue, profit, dividends, etc., not Wall Street. IBM has alienated its customers and the earnings statements are showing it."

    This should be part of every company'smission statement. They all seem, at some point, to forget that customers are what keeps the doors open, the lights on, and the bonuses coming in. Yet, they all bow to the stock market like it will save them. They fail to see that Wall Street is concerned about what comes into their pockets and not how it got there. When a company loses it's customers and ends up being picked apart by the vultures, Wall Street moves on to the next victim. IBM is just a speedbump in Wall Street's money grab.

  6. Erik4872

    What would a private IBM be like, I wonder?

    It would be very interesting to see something huge like a pension fund or investment house leverage-buyout IBM and take it private. You would need Sagan-esque "billions and billions" of dollars to do it, but the experiment would be fascinating. It seems to me that any company with so much in the way of resources, patents and intellectual capital could do incredibly well when removed from the yoke that is the public market. I've been watching the slow decline of IBM for quite a while from the outside, just as an observer and occasional customer.

    That would be an MBA case study for the ages and any success would probably cause MBA's brains to self-destruct. They've been conditioned for so long to manage purely by spreadsheet, not own anything, focus on next quarter, get rid of as many talented expensive people as they can, and care only for the share price.

    I'm old (just turned 40 last year,) but I still say that large employers owe some loyalty to their workers if that loyalty is returned. People work for large employers because they're not Silicon Valley entrepreneur types -- they're there to do a job. In previous times, a job well done was rewarded with promotions, competitive pay and no capricious layoffs. I do know a lot of older IBMers who echo the article's sentiments -- up until Gerstner showed up and shook things up, it was a great place to work. You could expect to be moved several times in a career and put in a lot of extra time for the company,but it was rewarded with a stable life for one's family. I think one of the problems is that employees are seeing even the IBMs, the GEs and the other huge companies treating their employees as disposable. Once that gets too far embedded in people's psyche, they're not willing to give any loyalty back which is why you see people leaving jobs after only a year for just a small salary increase or silly perk that the current company doesn't have.

  7. Herby

    I'd comment, but...

    I'll leave it to a ElReg hack to privately email me and then they will know why.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Salespeople and lawyers

    How does IBM expect to differentiate its services and support if the company is providing the same offshored service and support as cheaper, more commoditized rivals? What difference will there be between IBM and an Indian outsourcing company such as Wipro?

    Having seen it from the inside, their main approach is two complementary areas:

    • Over the top Sales people promising literally impossible "sounds good" things to managers not understanding technology
    • Lawyers for reducing the fallout (fines, contract renegotiations/cancellations potential PR exposure) for the customers who get sick of it
    With the aforementioned EPS manipulation to appear "everything is all good" to Wall St.

    1. aazmi615@gmail.com

      Re: Salespeople and lawyers

      this is exactly how IBM software is sold. The less competent the customer IT org, the bigger the deal size.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sad but true

    Every time we bid for work, leadership outside the country dictates a profit margin that we don't believe is achievable, and often dictates the solution based on what the company is trying to sell at the point in time, rather than what we think is most appropriate for the customer.

    If we're lucky enough to make the sale, we're left struggling to implement buggy, bleeding edge technology (coughPureFlexcough) or God help us, Watson, without the resources and expertise to do it. Somehow we eek out enough value and build enough of a client relationship to make it through the contract, all the while trying to manage the lunatic obstacles that our own company places in our way.

    Respect for the individual? I usually feel like a barrel being pushed around an 80's platform game.

  10. a_yank_lurker

    Customers,

    To paraphrase, I've Been Moved mantra is "Customers! We don't need no stinking customers!" Itsy Bitsy Moron, now Little Blue, is now just another bloated company with no compelling products or services. In respects they are much worse shape than Slurp who has a product every computer user needs - an OS.

  11. Ian Joyner Bronze badge

    IBM had a very solid mythology built around it - but it was exactly that, mythology. There was technical myth, but the software technology was second rate, even if they did build solid hardware. According to Edsger Dijkstra:

    "In my Turing Lecture I described the week that I studied the specifications of the 360, it was [laughter] the darkest week in my professional life. In a NATO Conference on Software Engineering in 1969 in Rome, I characterized the Russian decision to build a bit-compatible copy of the IBM 360 as the greatest American victory in the Cold War."

    http://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2010/8/96632-an-interview-with-edsger-w-dijkstra/fulltext

    (In this article it is clear there is a difference between European computing and American. European computing is about software and building machines to support software, American computing is about building electronic hardware and inflicting its foibles on software people.)

    IBM would do business at any cost:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_and_the_Holocaust

    That is just one specific period of history. For a more general history of IBM from its start with Thomas Watson senior at NCR (where he picked up very unethical practices) through to all its market domineering, monopolistic anti-trust practices read Richard DeLamarter "Big Blue: IBM's Use and Abuse of Power"

    https://www.amazon.com/Big-Blue-IBMs-Abuse-Power/dp/0396085156

    but this book is very hard to find.

    On the following page I review three books about IBM:

    http://ianjoyner.name/IBM_Books.html

    The three books are

    “In Search of Excellence” by Peters and Waterman (1982 Harper & Row)

    “Beyond IBM” by Mobley and McKeown (1989 Penguin)

    “Big Blue, IBM’s Use and Abuse of Power” by Richard DeLamarter (1986 Pan books)

    IBM was built on a myth, not a solid foundation. What it is undergoing now exposes what it always was.

    1. a_yank_lurker

      @ Ian Joyner - IBM relied heavily on the myth they were the best computer manufacturer for decades. The fact they always had clay feet is not surprising to those familiar with technology but that is not who they were marketing to. They were marketing to the era's PHBs & MBAs who did not know how a computer worked at all.

      Part of what did them in was the shift to PCs and networks which allowed people to actual use a real computer for tasks no one would ever use a mainframe for. In the 80s & 90s they had a schizophrenic relationship with PCs; too afraid they would cannibalize minis and mainframes and would not put enough emphasis on PC based systems. What happened is others pushed PC based systems and killed the mini computers and put a dent into mainframes.

      Also, consider that one might own several different computers including smartphones and tablets that are in many respects more powerful than mainframes of 20 - 30 years ago. And these devices cost <$1,000 each compared to many orders of magnitude more for a mainframe.

      There is a strong parallel to Slurp, similar myth and marketing strategy; the myth they are technical leader and selling to PHBs and MBAs. A strategy that works only a period of time until there is major shift in how business and computing is done.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        "smartphones and tablets [..] more powerful than mainframes of 20 - 30 years ago"

        More powerful, yes, but not more stable or reliable.

        I worked on a mainframe for over a year in my youth. Mainframes are not really built for power/speed, they are built to do a job and keep on doing it whatever happens. A mainframe is thus a very complicated piece of work, but that complexity ensures that it will tell you when a given component is going to fail so that you can replace the component before disaster strikes.

        A properly-managed mainframe simply never stops working and that is what they're for.

        PCs and electronics equipment have improved in quality by leaps and bounds, undoubtedly, but at their price point there is very little in hardware failure management. It dies, you replace it and load the backup - end of story.

        Because you do have a backup, right ?

  12. Aristotles slow and dimwitted horse

    Oooh Oooh I can answer this...

    "What difference will there be between IBM and an Indian outsourcing company such as Wipro?"

    From my perspective of having inherited both as 3rd party SI's on large scale SAP and ERP implementations my answer is thus:

    The difference is that IBM are only slightly less shit and clueless than Wipro when it comes to (A) the quality of thought capital, (B) the understanding of and adherence to contractual terms, (C) planning and management, and (D) execution.

    Can I get my 5 points and cuddly toy now?

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    My father-in-law

    My dear father-in-law was a perfect IBM employee (US) for over forty years. They were, for him, the perfect employer. He was a classic engineer-type: logical, meticulous, painstaking, with an occasional flash of insight. He was a great employee; dark suit, white shirt and sober manner, who could diagnose hardware or software, and was willing to crawl under a machine, suit and all, to check wiring. IBM showered him with extra training, awards, excellent pay and, when he retired, an excellent pension. Although he remained a company man to the end of his 90 years, and would have given up a body part before publicly criticizing them, privately he mourned that the company he gave his working life to had changed unrecognizably.

  14. MhD

    Tough times, but there's still a spark at IBM

    Bill Macinnes' piece is important.

    I grew up surrounded by IBMers in Endicott NY (IBM's place of birth). I joined IBM in the late '90's when we moved to San Francisco just prior to announcing the first outside CEO - Mr. Gerstner. When we arrived in the Bay Area things were hopping. Both my wife and I had job offers within the week and I had to decide between a number of start-ups and IBM. Growing up I swore I would never become a 'company man' but for some reason, I decided to go with Big Blue and I've been there ever since.

    I experienced first hand the pivot IBM had to make in the wake of getting destroyed by Intel based, n-tier computing. While a the same time SUN MicroSystems was red hot which was truly hurting IBM, and to make matters worse the .com boom was in full swing and it looked like we were not going to participate.

    But then IBM refocused. And when we did it was a sight to behold. Through thought leadership we made markets. I learned so much from so many great people during that period. IBMers are smart, resilient folks. One thing about IBM is that for better or worse management is decisive. Which has created a cultural construct that still exists today - keep looking forward. In fact, I like to remind skeptics that if was in the very midst of that tumultuous/Gerstner era that IBM announced a virtually unprecedented policy of extending benefits to committed same-sex unions (partners). That made a lot of IBMers proud - especially in the San Francisco community. We were proud to be part of an IBM that was, once again, demonstrating social vision.

    There's no doubt that this time around is a bit different. Moral is down, but I believe IBM is making a pivot, evolving as a thought leader and, once again, starting to make markets. IBMers are tough and every day I have an interaction with a colleague in a way that reminds me the spark is still alive.

    I don't disagree with the spirit of this piece nor most of the comments. I look at some of the people walking out the door and it's a head-scratcher. Really good, smart people. And I realize I'm susceptible too. Anyone is, but I still believe IBM can be great.

    1. kdb

      Re: Tough times, but there's still a spark at IBM

      "Moral is down": yep, you could say that IBM management today has no moral(s). They only want to line their own pockets.

      MoralE is indeed at the bottom of the Marianas Trench. I wonder what kind of results IBM would get if it ran an Opinion Survey today, like they used to do in the 1980s and earlier. The results would probably be so bad that they'd never be published.

      I joined in 1984, and left in 1992 just before the big cuts. I never looked back.

      1. MhD

        Re: Tough times, but there's still a spark at IBM

        Touche' and I agree (regarding the opinion survey). I'm glad things are working out for you.

        Despite my typo and the current state of affairs, I still believe the IBM spirit is alive (for now).

        Thanks for reading.

  15. Brew

    I was suprised to learn while talking to a consultant who has worked for IBM that the average IBM employee has been there for less than 5 years.

    Watson will be another Ask Cheeves or whatever it was called.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I'm a former employee. They are advertising plenty of jobs. For a laugh I've applied to some. Posted a perfect CV. Best man for the job at least on paper. Sort of person you'd definitely want to speak to.

    However, British name. British phone number.

    Did I get a call? Of course not. Either they know I'll be too expensive, or the job doesn't actually exist and they're pretending that they're offsetting those they're firing with new hires .

    Honestly, try it. I think I might actually document it next time and publicise it.

    BTW I'm not disgruntled. At a better employer with loads more pay. Sad to see the destruction of the company though. Had some great times there.

  17. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Lot of interesting comments. IBM began its slow downhill spiral even before Gerstner. The 1069 consent decree gave one push. Also, back in the early 70s, after the 370 announcement, IBM began the next multi-billion project called FS (Future Systems). Unfortunately, the H/W tech at the time was not sufficiently advanced to pull it off. The project was canceled (although the in-house joke was Rochester never got the word and implemented part of the architecture in the AS/400). In the meantime, the rest of the company went into a shell to speak. Also, the mind-set of those running the company (salesmen types) believed if you could move the world to the large OS (MVS -> VS/2).

    What blind-sided them was the advent of the PC. Forgetting their own history, the attitude of top management was "PCs were kid's toys", when they had more power than the 1400 series, IBM's first successful mass-marketed mainframe. Tandy sold a PC called the Color Computer, which ran OS/9 (Unix clone) in 64K of memory and a HD with more capacity than the IBM 1311 drives. Also, the success of the System/38 and AS/400 went unheeded. When they finally, did get into the market, they were advised by many of their technical people to develop in-house, but management wasn't sufficiently serious to do so - but that's another story. I believe one of the earlier posters mentioned they were "schizo" on the PC business and I agree to an extent, but the mainframes were still selling. Things worsened under Akers and when Gerstner came in, that was the final nail in the coffin.

    Will IBM ever be able to reverse this downhill spiral, hard to say. While Watson AI certainly has some potential, its going to take more than just selling its services. Certainly, catering to the whims of Wall Street isn't going to help - it has its own best interests and as soon as it has picked IBM clean, on to the next. What IBM should have been doing rather than selling off its business units, was to grant them autonomy to get "lean and mean" (and should have been done back in the Aker's time (and, probably in Opel's)). It had been suggested more than once, but again the "schizophrenia" of one business unit eating into the supposed profits of the other units kept this from happening.

    As long as the CEOs of companies like IBM keep catering to the greed on Wall Street, one can see the dominoes fall. The politicians will bail out those companies deemed to big to fail as they did in 2009 in the US. After all, both political parties in the US are owned by Wall Street. The "Street" has invested millions in the Clintons, one reason why they are so anti-Sanders and anti-Trump, afraid they can't be bought will be able to shake things up to detriment of Wall Street.

  18. cloth

    IBM is an internal market place

    Two points if i may...

    IBM is full of in-fighting. Employees are incentivised to be better than their piers. Depts are incentivised to be better than their piers and countries are incentivised to be better than their piers. This is why IBM's software set is such a confusing mish-mash of offerings. Every new acquisition has its own goals and isn't towed into line PDQ. No one can tell you - including IBM - what it's one definitive answer is to a solution. Just ask the guys at Hursley how many ESBs IBM has (five I think !!).

    Second point: I'm glad to see that someone else has caught up with the IBM ers. When I worked there we used to say that the company was being run only for the top execs in IBM. It wasn't being run for the customers, it certainly wasn't being run for the employees - the only message relayed down was the share price. And who made the most direct money out of the share price - the execs ! (go look at when they sell shares - say no more !).

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