back to article Love your IoT gadget but could you keep the noise down?

Shutupshutupshutup. There’s a man with an extraordinarily annoying voice on this floor and I wish he would take his fulsomely resonating gob somewhere else. Blah blah market synchronisation blah blah invested intelligence blah blah cooperative disruption arse bollocks. Don’t you just love open-plan offices? Actually, come to …

  1. hplasm
    Stop

    Breakout areas!

    God I hate that name...

    If it doesn't have pickaxes, dynamite, cakes with files in or a pot-bellied stove that conceals a tunnel, then it's just a lounging area.

    1. Anonymous Custard

      Re: Breakout areas!

      Or even ancient arcade machines with bats, balls and bricks...

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Paris Hilton

        Re: Breakout areas!

        Arkanoid areas?

        1. Fungus Bob

          Re: Breakout areas!

          Works for me.

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  2. Mage Silver badge
    Boffin

    before 1927 it was not even possible

    I'm not sure that's actually true.

    a) Scarcity of car Radios. Almost all radios before 1930 used batteries, 2V, 4V or 6V Lead Acid for filaments. 60 x 2V small lead acid or 90 x Dry cells for HT! Cars rarely had a battery other than maybe a 1.5V ignition cell for spark while cranking, then the magneto powered ignition. The ignition was easily "suppressed" by suppressor spark plug caps etc. The radio was't powered of the car, being basically a repackaged home unit.

    Interference has got VERY severe since 1990s:

    PC SMPSUs that NEVER had filters or got them taken out later to save money after CE approval.

    Powerline Ethernet. Illegal period if tested properly.

    Electronic "Ballasts" replacing passive interference free chokes on Tube lamps and on CFLs (early CFLs used a choke in the special ceiling unit).

    Phone chargers etc as per PC SMPSUs

    LED lamp PSUs

    Flashing christmas tree controllers (any type lamp)

    LED lamps on Christmas trees even if not flashing.

    Dishwashers, Dryers, Washing Machines changed from Mechanical sync motor programmers to CPU (issue partly PSU, but CPU leaking RF)

    Shielding abandoned on PCs, Laptops, etc.

    LCD and Plasma screen matrix drive (screen radiates unless transparent tin coated)

    Screen back light PSUs

    etc ...

    But the IoT uses up the WiFi channels faster as well as the PSUs and motors making interference, but most homes AM Radio is already usless and VHF-FM is increasingly getting home generated interference.

    "Real" Car radios did exist from early 1930s, but still rare till 1950s. They used MECHANICAL switch mode PSUs at 40Hz to 120Hz (Vibrator packs) to get HT. Very well shieilded separate PSU boxes, often with speaker driver amp. From late 1950s they started adding a pair of Germanium transistors as a SMPSU, then as audio Out and running the rest of the valves off 12V. Then from about 1958 the first all transistor car radios appeared.

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

      AFAIK in 1922 a Ford Model T in Chicago was fitted with a radio (no idea what make), as was a Daimler in Britain (Marconiphone).

      1927 marks the first industrial produced car radio, the 'Philco Transitone'. It was made by the Storage Battery Co., Philadelphia and Chevrolet offered it as an optional extra. Didn't sell that nuch, though.

      Things got moving in 1930 with the Model 5T71 by the Galvin Manufacturing Corporation (GMC). The Model 5T71 was soon known as 'Motorola', from 'motor(car)' and 'Victrola', a popular Grammophone brand at the time.

      In 1932 Bosch and the company that would later be known as Blaupunkt got in the game with the first car radio developed in Europe, the 'AutosuperAS 5'. The 5 stands for the 5 valves, and it was remote controlled via bowden cables attached to the steering wheel. Cost roughly 15% of what an average car would cost you at the time, so not really 'mass production either'.

    2. Stevie

      Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

      Not the whole story about the batteries. In 1957-ish my father was rebuilding a Ford Model C 10 once owned by his father around the time of WWII (and of unquestionably older vintage even then), and the A/C power for the radio was supplied by an electromagnetic relay designed to switch on and off continuously very quickly.

      I used to play with that and a spare trafficator of a Sunday morning when he took me to the lockup the car sat in. No doubt had he ever restored the vehicle to working condition I'd have gotten a belt round the ear for losing or damaging the Electromechanical Vibratory Veeblefetzer, rendering the car's occupants incapable of hearing the reassuring tones of Alvar Riddel on the old Vidor three-valve superheterodyne receiver (or whatever model was fitted).

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

      "[...] VHF-FM is increasingly getting home generated interference."

      A similar thing happened to nearby neighbours about 20 years ago. The official interference complaint had everyone logging - and that was about all that happened. I eventually tracked it down with some simple direction finding. It was a neighbour's TV's scan unit trying to shape shift into an SSB transmitter PA. It started about 7am - when she plonked her toddler in front of it for the day - and it was only switched off late at night. It finally stopped when they moved away.

      My bedside radio has just started suffering like that. Seems to start about 5am and goes on until at least 9am. Doesn't sound like a TV scan warble though.

      Early this morning I went down to the garage and switched off my newly constructed Arduino 433.92mhz front door bell repeater. Nope - not that. Which leaves the litany of my other devices that Mr Dabbs has mentioned - before I can blame the neighbours or the Network Rail insulators.

      The easiest start to the binary chop will be to take down the house power with a test of the RCD - except most of the FM radios will lose their station presets. The one in the bedroom seems to use non-volatile memory for those - but not for its volume and tone. The slightest power glitch resets that to a default deaf head banger level - plus maximum bass boost. You only discover that reset when desiring some gentle sleep inducing music in the middle of the night - and are jarred totally awake scrabbling for the controls.

      At least the CO alarm has the courtesy to bleep as it goes off or on. However if only half heard then you can spend some time standing under each of the smoke alarms to listen for which one is signalling it needs its battery changing - NOW! That generally turns out to be the dumb mobile phone in you trouser pocket across the room wanting its feed of nourishing electricity.

      1. PhilipN Silver badge

        Tangentially ...

        In one visit to Japan we bought an alarm clock in the shape of a bear standing to attention wearing baseball kit.

        Sure enough - you're probably way ahead of me here - while peacefully asleep in the hotel room we were rudely awakened at 3 a.m. precisely by the little fucker right on cue shouting "Go! Go Go!" .... "Go! Go! Go!" complete with faux crowd noises ..... Of course as a new purchase that day it took a while to realise what was making the din, and another while to find the box, and open it, and to figure how to silence the f******

      2. Dan 55 Silver badge
        Holmes

        Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

        Seems to start about 5am and goes on until at least 9am. Doesn't sound like a TV scan warble though.

        Has a neighbour recently had their central heating done?

      3. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

        Re: nearby neighbours

        I bet the neighbours of 45 Cranley Drive, Ruislip had a lot of radio/tv interference in the late 1950's/early 60's.

    4. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

      don't forget the youf with their 1Kw Amplifiers in their ancient corsa's emitting god knows what EMI as well as totally crap sound.

    5. Hargrove

      Re: before 1927 it was not even possible

      Reality rears its ugly head. A most enjoyable thread of discussion!

  3. Anonymous Custard
    Thumb Up

    That Friday feeling!

    Wahay! Dabbsie back on a Friday afternoon! Nice to have things back where they should be, to give us something more interesting than work to do until beer o'clock.

    Hope it's a permanent change back to how things should be...

    1. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: That Friday feeling!

      Given that the "weekend" section disappeared mysteriously and quietly a couple of week ago (a passing away that *nobody* seems to mourn), I have high hopes that Dabbs and the BOfH will finally be back to their rightful place: Friday Morning* where they can help us jumpstart the dreadful day.

      *Morning in the left-hand side of the Pond, at least.

    2. dotdavid

      Re: That Friday feeling!

      Are the rumours that Dabbsy bumped off "the anti-Dabbsy" Mr Worstall true?

      1. Gordon 10

        Re: That Friday feeling!

        I for one want the weekend editon back. Failing that Worstall on a Wed.

        1. A. Coatsworth Silver badge
          Unhappy

          Re: That Friday feeling!

          I do miss Worstall's articles but never liked the decision of publishing them (and Dabbsy's) on Saturdays, given that most readers access the site Mon - Fri during working hours... *ahem*

          And it's true: Worstall's services are no longer needed by El Reg. The man himself confirmed that on a forum post a while ago.

          1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

            Re: That Friday feeling!

            "Worstall's services are no longer needed by El Reg."

            You mean "being paid for", not "needed", or am I missing an economics joke here?

            1. A. Coatsworth Silver badge

              Re: That Friday feeling!

              yeah, "being paid for"... I'm not clever enough to make a economic joke, much less one so subtle.

              To be frank, I don't know why I chose such PC way to say that he doesn't work for el Reg anymore

            2. TheOtherHobbes

              Re: That Friday feeling!

              Market forces, eh?

  4. dotdavid

    "only to discover that your neighbour’s exercise bike has interfered with your chair’s settings, causing it to operate the last two hours in Anal Sex mode."

    And that didn't wake you up?!

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Megaphone

    He heard you

    > There’s a man with an extraordinarily annoying voice on this floor and I wish he would take his fulsomely resonating gob somewhere else.

    He heard you and now he's sitting opposite me. :-(

    [icon not needed]

  6. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge
    Happy

    Very nice

    I am reminded of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation and its self-satisfied doors. You can tell its going to open by the intolerable air of smugness they suddenly generate

  7. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

    TGIF

    Excellent choice of videos.

    Also, "...like the Dalek Morse Code you get during a landline phone call when you leave your mobile on the desk..." is the best description of that phenomenom I've ever heard.

    And, last but not least, it reminded me of Runaway. If Dabbsy is right, this may become a real thing.

    1. Alistair Dabbs

      Re: TGIF

      Runaway's just a rip-off of 2000AD's Sam Slade, with all the jokes stripped out and a moustache pasted on.

      1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

        Re: TGIF

        "Runaway's just a rip-off of 2000AD's Sam Slade, with all the jokes stripped out and a moustache pasted on."

        Which just might have been itself inspired by Magnus Robot Fighter 4000 A.D., first published by Gold Key Comics in February 1963.

        But then R.U.R. (Rossumovi Univerzální Roboti - Rossum’s Universal Robots) premiered on 25 January 1921.

    2. Joe Harrison

      Re: TGIF

      "Dalek morse code" exactly describes the Orchestration Registration ringtone by Ali Spagnola, shipped with the original Nexus 5. Really sounds odd when your phone rings.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbRSZyOLW5E

  8. insane_hound

    One of your best

    Classic!

  9. ma1010
    Flame

    Also too bloody true

    As one of those horrible amateur radio folks, I agree that there is far, far too much radio racket being made inadvertently by equipment. And you can't even get the government here (U.S.) to enforce their own laws against radio interference even when those laws do exist. I could give several examples, but won't bore everyone with them.

    Perhaps someday something will get done about increasing interference after those with a lot of influence, like the president, major members of Congress, or some media mogul, have *their* chairs switch into anal sex mode by the neighbor's exercise bike.

    And if you can't get into your house because of the IOT lock, see if you can't find a local burglar (perhaps the one who cleaned out your house last week - and the month before) - so he/she can convince the lock to open for you. With typical IOT security, they'll have no problems!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Also too bloody true

      Yes, and the real fun begins when someone imports some dodgy crap from some Asian manufacturer.

      A classic around here are wireless headphones centred on 147MHz. It just so happens, there's a repeater at Mt. Glorious that transmits on 147MHz (VK4RBN; receives 146.4MHz) which happens to be the oldest repeater site in Brisbane and one of the most widely used repeaters.

      Add to this, Redcliffe Radio Club's like for fox hunts, hilarity ensues whenever one of those headphones winds up spewing its crap anywhere in the area.

      As for HF, I don't think anyone outside of the radio community cares. Never pull up beside a set of LED-based traffic lights if you want to hear a weak station: I've seen the set on the bike go from pretty much no-noise to S8 within meters of a traffic light.

  10. Chris G

    IoTageddon

    That made me laugh out loud, reading the long list of absurd and ridiculous things that could go wrong.

    Absurd but highly probable, Murphy's Law states that what can go wrong, will. Based on that. the likley disasters that will befall ordinary people in what will become their ordinary Iot homes could well be worse.

    Thank you for that Mr Dabbs one of your best.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: IoTageddon

      "That made me laugh out loud, reading the long list of absurd and ridiculous things that could go wrong."

      Maybe not as absurd as you think. You can guarantee that every IoT designer out there will be working on the assumption that his/her device is the only, or most important, IoT device in the house/building and that it will be spaffing data 24/7 for no good reason other than it can. Multiply that by.... :-(

  11. Martin Summers Silver badge

    Dabbsy, the John Cleese of the IT World. I can just imagine him beating some poor wireless router or other unsuspecting equipment with a tree branch screaming obscenities at it.

  12. Soap Distant

    Xmas gift

    "...has interfered with your chair’s settings, causing it to operate the last two hours in Anal Sex mode."

    Where do you get these? I was just thinkin' of the boss...

    SD

    1. Alistair Dabbs

      Re: Xmas gift

      You thought of your boss when I wrote "Anal Sex"?

      1. Mage Silver badge

        Re: Xmas gift

        Great Column Dabsy!

    2. Fred Dibnah
      Go

      Re: Xmas gift @ Soap Distant

      You could always head down to Home Depot and make your own, just like this.

      1. Martin Budden Silver badge

        Re: Xmas gift @ Soap Distant

        I'm going to take a "stab in the dark" (haha) and ass-ume that Fred Dibnah's link is NSFW.

  13. Commswonk

    Scott Adams got there first (again)

    There’s a man with an extraordinarily annoying voice on this floor and I wish he would take his fulsomely resonating gob somewhere else.

    http://dilbert.com/strip/1995-04-21 and others.

    1. allthecoolshortnamesweretaken

      Re: Scott Adams got there first (again)

      That was in the days before Alice and her Fist of Death...

  14. TheProf
    Coat

    Aggh!

    Damn it!

    Now I have an urge to purchase* a CD* copy of The Golden Age Of Wireless by Thomas Dolby.

    * **Yes! CD and purchase in the same sentence.

    1. Alistair Dabbs

      Re: Aggh!

      Remember you'll need to change the order of the tracks on the CD version to match the original (and best) running order of the vinyl album.

      1. TheProf

        Re: Aggh!

        I never owned the vinyl version (it's the 1982 version you mean?) only the CD. So MY recollection of the track order will be correct. Hopefully.

        All together now: "Switch off the mind and let the heart decide."

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "high-backed, red-quilted benches – evocative of a padded cell in a brothel"

    You have the advantage over me on this one.

    But you reminded me of a former MD I worked for complaining rather publicly of just such a reception area, ordered by his predecessor:

    "It's like the waiting room in a Swedish brothel...[brain catches up with mouth]...or so they tell me."

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Shut the F**K Up!

    Can't we have quiet offices like we once had train carriages?

    Oh silly me, that is why I work from home 4 days a week.

    After 46 years in ork, I've had enough of :-

    - Last nights Corrie/East Enders

    - Man Utd/Chelsea/Arsenal/etc being crap

    - Justine Bieber and other so called musicians. (the 'e' is deliberate btw)

    I just want to, you know get stuff done, what I'm paid to do. Then I can piss off home and be with my family.

    An no this old bugger does not want to go to the company Crimble 'do' at some plastic hotel service rubber turkey.

    Time to take the dog for a walk before the kids come home from shopping.

    1. Bruce Ordway

      Re: Shut the F**K Up!

      >>that is why I work from home

      I have worked exclusively from home for several years.

      Everything I need to facilitate remote work is in place.

      I've been at it long enough that I almost miss the office sometimes.

      The feeling passes quickly though.

  17. regadpellagru
    Coffee/keyboard

    All too true

    "What’s that, you say? Shielding? Insulation? In your dreams, pal. Not at the prices you want to pay. "

    This one just cracked me up. All too true, unfortunately.

    As spot on, as was all the article. Keep it up, Dabsy !

    PS: no tinfoil hat icon ??? How do I shield ?

  18. Hargrove

    What is Not Information . . .

    The author makes a splendid point regarding the intrinsic limitations of the technology.

    What is not signal is noise. More specifically and ego-centricly what is not MY signal is noise.

    And noise is noise.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: What is Not Information . . .

      More specifically and ego-centricly what is not MY signal is noise.

      True, unless you work for an intelligence agency.

  19. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    Would you like a row? In the middle of the office?!

    Consider it done!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvyFScazwrA

  20. GregC
    Thumb Up

    Dabbsy, your finest hour.

    Brilliant article, several bits had me laughing out loud. This, however:

    only achieving access to your home another 45 minutes later after reinstalling the operating system, downloading an app update and installing a JavaScript routine you found on GitHub.

    is pure genius.

  21. earl grey
    Facepalm

    you nailed that one in the groin with a claw hammer

    Nice going Dabbsy; you only forgot about the tin-foilers who are affected by the cell towers.

  22. Fihart

    Needless wireless already with us.

    My otherwise charming neighbours have no notion of anything technical -- witness the fact that when they are present the wireless router we share is registering a multiplicity of phones, iPads and laptops, though the devices can't all be using the internet at once. Even when neighbours are not at home, snoozing devices are still reporting to the router.

    Already some years ago I was noting people with desktop computers parked next to their routers but using wireless -- an ethernet cable is in the box with the router and is faster/more reliable than wireless.

    The other pest is routers (all routers nowadays) which default to automatic channel selection -- which means that if I am using channel 6 to feed a laptop some distance from the router and next door's router is closer, when it randomly decides to switch to 6 or any channels adjacent, my internet slows down.

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Needless wireless already with us.

      Change the bloody channel your router defaults to then!

      Mine uses Channel 2 because of just the problem you describe. I can see 20+ different networks from my home office. 95% of them use the same channel.(not Channel 2)

      now some [redacted] two streets away has boosted his wifi signal (illegally) so that many neighbours can't use their networks in the evenings.

      I know who it is because of the old Pringles can trick and a bit of Wardriving to detect the max signal.

      Oh how life in the burbs works.

      Seriously considering ditcihng the Wi-fi and running Cat 6 around the house when it gets rewired next year.

      1. SImon Hobson Bronze badge

        Re: Needless wireless already with us.

        > Change the bloody channel your router defaults to then!

        That is no help when you change it to some currently unused channel - only for the neighbours device to switch channels again.

        > Mine uses Channel 2 ...

        You antisocial barsteward ! People like you are worse than the automatic "change channel to whatever you've just selected" version. Using channel 2 means that not only do you interfere with people using channel 1, but you also interfere with people using channel 6. Really, equipment should not allow selection of other than channels 1, 6 and 11* as these are the only 3 channels in the 2.4GHz band that don't overlap.

        So by your antisocial choice of channel, you've managed to interfere with 2/3 of the neighbours instead fo just 1/3 !

        * Or 13 in some places.

        > now some [redacted] two streets away has boosted his wifi signal (illegally) so that many neighbours can't use their networks in the evenings.

        Then report it as interference. From what I've read, OfCon can actually be useful with interference reports - especially if you show some technical nouse and and have already identified the problem.

        > Seriously considering ditcihng the Wi-fi and running Cat 6 around the house when it gets rewired next year.

        Just do it ! Really, if you're having the disruption of re-wiring, flood wire the place with wired network. I'm in the process of doing that as I redecorate each room. SWMBO doesn't understand it since "we've got WiFi" and I've given up trying to explain it - we've reached a detente, I don't try explaining it to her, she lets me get on with it !

      2. jcitron

        Re: Needless wireless already with us.

        That's what we did in my house. We couldn't take the constant stomping on by neighbor's equipment because of the auto-switching.

        I did get some free chocolate chip cookies and tea one afternoon though for helping some elders down the street. Their router was broadcasting 100% free with no security on it. I recognized the router name because they put their name on it.

        I went for a walk, about two houses away, knocked on the door and introduced myself. An hour later after fixing things, I had a nice snack, kibitzed with hubby and wife, and then got invited back anytime for a visit.

        Another neighbor infringed on my wireless network too. The problem is he used the default 192.168.1.1 network. I didn't, but had to reset my router due to some reason I don't remember. I then logged into the default network, thinking it was mine but it was the one across the street. I didn't notice this until I rebooted and couldn't log in. Oops!

        I walked over there and introduced myself and made a few bucks as I fixed his network for him. I got to do a few IT fix-it jobs for him later on and became nice local customer until he moved to Florida.

        This article brings back some memories too....

        Way back in my ancient days as a typesetter between IT jobs, I used a Varityper Epics 20/20. The equipment consisted of a large data terminal, CPU (with an 8-inch floppy drive no less and 2x20 MB hard drives), and the output device.

        One day I wanted to listen to the radio. I couldn't do it no matter what station I tried. Most stations either hissed loudly, or picked up the sound of the system. You could hear beep-beep-beep, sounds which coincided exactly with data being written to the hard drives. When I sent stuff over to the output device, the data made a warbling, beeping sound that sounded like a fax machine, which of course it wasn't since everything was hooked up via a humongous RS422 cable. Nice shielding on that equipment - Not!

  23. J.G.Harston Silver badge

    ...the microwave oven when you’re trying to watch TV in the kitchen, the electric toothbrush while you’re listening to the bathroom radio

    Reads like he's channelling Darkwing Duck.

  24. chrishansenhome
    Alert

    The automated house reminded me...

    ...of a Ray Bradbury short story "There Will Come Soft Rains". An automated house deals with "life" after a nuclear war.

    1. Stevie

      Re: The automated house reminded me...

      Yeah, kudos for the memory of reading The Silver Locusts after A-Levels were done.

      Of course, Bradbury's house was not networked to Hellenbach with WiFi IoT spamosity, had an independent power supply and ran smarts courtesy of vacuum tubes. In the same scenario, a subminiature semiconductor-based IoT-riddled house would be mercifully dark and silent owing to every single appliance's smartstuff being fried by EMP.

      I imagine it will come as a blessing to be honest. I'd welcome the IoT but it just looks like a reason to waste power for specious reasons to me. I can't think of a single benefit to owning web-aware lightbulbs that can't be achieved cheaper, simpler and safer another way.

  25. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Funniest thing I've read on the subject.

    My laptop gets 5 WiFi signals, (including one insecure set-up),

    The thought that my 'fridge can have an argument with the Washing Machine is all too real, I fear.

    1. MonkeyCee

      Five!

      Five wifi signals? You is well lucky. I've got 14+ that are actual wifi, and broadcasting their SSIDs. Then there are another 10+ that aren't broadcasting, several cordless phones and at least one inconveniently located microwave.

      Needless to say all computers are on wired connections here. And I've given up making the phone's wifi work.

  26. Turbo Beholder
    Alert

    The sad thing is, it's not even an exaggeration.

    You know how many cheap USB devices are knock-offs of each other and use some abominable firmware not compatible with anything except weendoze software that goes beyond "abominable" and into "the things that should not be"? Which in turn is either also not compatible with anything or non-trivially interacts with mouse, because the original long-discontinued abomination was a knock-off of some vaguely similar HID device?.. Yes, those things.

    Now replace "everything plugged into wired bus of one machine" with "every shiny thing owned by all human magpies in all apartments in 3 nearby houses".

    That's going to be splendid. If you're not within 50 meters of any of those houses, that is.

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