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Samsung and South Korea are taking aim at electronics manufacturing costs with a new investment in robots it's hoped will make mechanical men cheaper to operate even in jobs that currently need flexible human fingers. South Korea's Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy has found 6.75 billion won (US$14.8 million) for an …

  1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

    Ah!

    China knows manufacturing isn't its long-term ticket to prosperity, but will also hope these bots don't arrive in a hurry.

    so all these Robots come in and make countless millions unemployed. What then for China? They have let the genie out of the bottle by letting the peasants (which many of these workers were) see what is possible, see the Shiny-shiny etc.

    What then? Another Long March and Revolution?

    1. msknight

      Re: Ah!

      Yes, a new people's, people's, people's, people's party. That's the ticket!

    2. Bob Vistakin
      Facepalm

      Its just a variation of the the "Jack Straw" conundrum

      He'd bang on in Parliament about wanting defence cuts, yet back home in his constituency where the ROF made ammo promise his workers a glorious future.

    3. JetSetJim

      Re: Ah!

      Well, they could hope that you'd still need people to make these robots, but those canny S. Koreans will probably have a design aim that the robots themselves can make more of themselves given appropriately stocked component bins

  2. king of foo

    What's wrong with good old fashioned

    CHILD LABOUR, eh Samsung?

    “Samsung should know that many investors are quietly watching how they deal with the child labour issue"

    So... this! Looks like terminators come with less bad press.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      Coat

      Well they certainly diminish the number of people able to read the bad press.

      1. king of foo

        "I'm looking for Cong-Nuo, Shuang-Ru Cong-Nuo"

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What's wrong with good old fashioned

      14-15 counts as child labour?

      WTH is wrong with this planet, 14 is not a child, I really get pissed off at people consider a 14-15 year old a child, they are Young Adults, and I treat them as such...

      At 14 you should be quite well educated, especially compared to adults of just 50 years ago...

      There is nothing wrong with training on the job rather than learning useless information in a classroom.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What's wrong with good old fashioned

        "At 14 you should be quite well educated, especially compared to adults of just 50 years ago..."

        Not necessarily. In spite of all the A* grades many teenagers seem relatively poorly educated by the school system.

        What is especially noticeable is the way we now infantilise them socially by having extended legal definitions of "children" up to the age of 18. Even 20 years ago a 13 year old could help me with my garden etc in return for some pocket money. Now I would not entertain the idea owing to various negative pressures in society.

        1. Fink-Nottle

          Re: What's wrong with good old fashioned

          > In spite of all the A* grades many teenagers seem relatively poorly educated by the school system.

          They're certainly ill-equipped to keep their zebras safe from crocodiles.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What's wrong with good old fashioned

        @AC: ...people consider a 14-15 year old a child, they are Young Adults, and I treat them as such...

        You should get a proper lawyer next time.

  3. John Tserkezis

    I'm just waiting for the robots to start throwing themleves off their balconys.

  4. abedarts

    We can do that too

    If the low wage economies go that way they will enter direct competition with the west who can do it just as well if not better.

    1. Christoph

      Re: We can do that too

      That was my thought too - if Korea can build these, so can everyone else

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: We can do that too

        That was the West's opinion of Japan's industries in the 1950s.

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: We can do that too

        > if Korea can build these, so can everyone else

        I think you missed the bit where it says "government will invest in Research"

        We can certainly throw $15M at a silicon roundabout PR initiative to develop a digital concept around how people would relate to a robot in a multcultural mobile scenario - but building robots ?

  5. billat29
    Coat

    PhoneCo wins the won number

    Couldn't resist.

    Sorry

  6. Your alien overlord - fear me

    And if the robots are clever enough to build complex stuff, when do they get sentient consciousness and then start wanting better conditions, time off work, more pay.

    Slippery slope, that's all.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      better conditions, time off work, more pay

      more oil, time off work to watch robo-porn and even more oil (in lieu of pay). Then - the revolution. Sigh, I think I've seen it in the movies somewhere... was it robocop VI, or terminator III...

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: better conditions, time off work, more pay

        That's when you would need a robot leader to stamp down on these worker robots and put them in their place - some sort of iron iron-lady ?

        1. P. Lee

          Re: better conditions, time off work, more pay

          If your robots are only working three days a week, their jobs will be taken by a human.

      2. Youngone Silver badge

        Re: better conditions, time off work, more pay

        Sigh, I think I've seen it in the movies somewhere... was it robocop VI, or terminator III...

        Nope, Futurama.

    2. Arctic fox
      Terminator

      " when do they get sentient consciousness "

      Indeed. What they might mean by a strike could be something delivered from orbit.

    3. Vic

      then start wanting better conditions, time off work, more pay.

      That's basically the motivation that drove Call-Me_Kenneth to start the rebellion.

      Vic.

  7. PleebSmash
    Terminator

    iSummon

    Reg readers might also hope Samsung's research isn't particularly successful, on grounds that anything with the potential to retard the rise of a middle class in the nations mentioned above makes for less-vigorous potential export markets.

    Worstall. Worstall. Worstal.

  8. Gray
    Devil

    An unwillingness to adapt, perhaps ...

    But this is exactly what the elite class in the US tells us is the driving engine behind corporate productivity, enhanced world trade, and burgeoning prosperity: manufacturing efficiencies and global competition.

    'Tis an unfortunate thing that wage workers are made redundant, but they didn't expect to be carried along forever, did they?

    Corporate America has managed to substantially diminish the formerly industrialized and unionized middle class. Now if only the ingrates would stifle themselves and stop breeding so damned irresponsibly ... !

  9. src

    Capitalism

    The capitalist's wet dream: replace all the workers with robots who can then make your products for peanuts. Then you can make vast profits by selling these products to... Oh fuck.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It isn't China they need to beat

    It is the new Chinas, like Vietnam, where labor costs are far cheaper (and Samsung makes a lot of stuff in Vietnam for that reason)

    I've thought for a long time that if/when robotic assembly of stuff that is human assembled today (smartphones being a good example) becomes reasonably priced - similar to Chinese labor - that many US companies would use it to bring their manufacturing back to the US for PR reasons. Nevermind that it would create few jobs in the US once the factory was built and equipped, but they wouldn't be seen as "exploiting" foreign workers so it would be a win from that perspective.

    I wonder if those who castigate companies today for low wages / long hours / etc. would castigate them for leaving foreign workers without a job? I doubt the do-gooders would appreciate the irony in getting what they want.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: It isn't China they need to beat

      Worker cost isn't the main reason to build iPhones in China - it is that the chip fab is next door to the screen maker who is next door to the glass maker who is next door to the machine shop....

      You could build a cost effective automated assembly line for iPhones in america. And if you built it in the right southern state you could be paid for building it. The trouble is that all the components would come from china and take 6weeks - so your stocking, logistics and ability to ramp up/down production are horrible

  11. WatAWorld

    I suppose you could rail against companies putting entire computers on one chip

    Nothing new about this, automation has been going on for a long time.

    Locations with cheaper labour, manufacturing methods that require fewer hands, more automation, cheaper automation.

    It is what we do and what they do. I've spent my career automating business processes and so have most Reg readers. We can't complain when others do the same.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    re - Samsung and middle class tards

    there was me thinking there is a bunch of working class retards out there, sort of courtesy of Samsung.

  13. Sureo

    "...mechanical men..."

    I would really prefer it if they made mechanical women.

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's about Profits, not humanity

    "US$14.8 million" + the actual cost of producing these bots then the cost of buying them = ?

    Now how many jobs could this capital support over there ?

    You know you need employees that are employed to earn a salary to spend on food and products

    to have an economy right ?

    Oh right, profit > Humanity

    Gotchya.

  15. OldGibbo

    May not be soon but eventually we will have robots to do most of the jobs that humans do now. Gives an interesting problem - if most stuff is made by robots and services provided by robots how do the billions of people who will never work get the money to buy the goods and services that the robots produce? I don't think a Tory small government leave-things-to-the-market model will provide the answer.

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