back to article TELLY INNN SPAAACE: Nothing to watch on your 4K TV? NASA to the RESCUE

At last, some UHD content to go on that new 4K telly or gadget you bought ages ago: NASA has announced it is launching its own 4K television channel on 1 November. Dubbed NASA TV, the channel will be the first ever non-commercial ultra-high definition (UHD) broadcast in North America, and will be thrown at the …

  1. Pen-y-gors

    luddites?

    You say that as if it's a bad thing. We don't need no steenkin' web connection on our hand-looms! All hail Ned Ludd!

  2. JetSetJim
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    Second channel request

    A live-ish feed of the earth as seen from ISS (or some appropriate vantage point up in the void). Would make for a lovely "screensaver" type channel. No commentary required, either.

    1. Geoff May

      Re: Second channel request

      And it would be much more interesting than most of the stuff we get on TV at the moment.

      1. Vic

        Re: Second channel request

        it would be much more interesting than most of the stuff we get on TV at the moment.

        Certainly less repetitive...

        Vic.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Second channel request

      There are several ways already that the existing stream from the station could be displayed on most newer TVs, granted some are more convenent to others.

      Side note, it could be easy to take from the article that NASA TV will be a new channel but it has been a cable channel in the US since the 80s, this is just another bump in resolution like when they went to HD.

    3. Martin Summers Silver badge

      Re: Second channel request

      Well until they do that, how about this:

      https://www.urthecast.com/live

      1. JetSetJim
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        Re: Second channel request

        Cool - didn't know about that, but not enough pixels, obviously :)

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Second channel request

        Interesting. My patch of dirt rates two photos.

    4. JeffyPoooh
      Pint

      Re: Second channel request

      I can't wait to see the "The ISS is Out of Range of Our Ground Network" banner in glorious 4K.

  3. A Known Coward

    At least 13Mbps?

    Try double that ...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: At least 13Mbps?

      Like Netflix they'll be overcompressing their 4K, at least when delivered via the net. The version that e.g. Directv gets will probably be a lot higher quality and a lot higher bit rate, because they added tons of capacity for 4K that is currently unused - NASA TV would not be only be the first non-commercial 4K channel in North America, it will be the first 4K channel of any kind!

    2. TitterYeNot

      Re: At least 13Mbps?

      "Try double that ..."

      The article says 13MBps i.e. 104Mbps which does sound a bit excessive, so not sure if it's a typo or not. It is around 4x the bitrate for 1080p H264 compressed video on a blueray though, and as it's 4x the number of pixels per frame it could be correct.

      They might be planning to use H265 compression though, which I've read can achieve a noticably better compression ratio compared to H264, in which case maybe they'd get away with 13Mbps without it looking too awful.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: At least 13Mbps?

        "The article says 13MBps i.e. 104Mbps"

        True, but technically the bit doesn't have an abbreviation. It's commonly 'b', but not IEC say it's 'bit' (i.e. 104Mbit/s)

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: At least 13Mbps?

        I suspect a static image of the earth slowly rotating below would compress very well.

        Ditto for pictures of space - stars, galaxies etc. None of them change very much in 1/30th of a second.

      3. A Known Coward

        Re: At least 13Mbps?

        I'm assuming they'll use H.265 for broadcast and streaming, H.264 would be an odd choice. Still, H.265 can't work miracles, if broadcast quality HD using H.264 is 9Mbps (30+ for Blu-ray) then they can't cram 4x the information into an H.265 stream of 13Mbps without seriously degrading the quality. Even Netflix opted for 15Mbps, which is still way too low. For broadcast quality parity you are looking at at least 18Mbps but reasonably we should demand better from 4K broadcasts and not let broadcasters squeeze the image to the point where 4K broadcast/streaming looks like Blu-ray HD.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: At least 13Mbps?

          If it looked like Blu Ray HD it would be a massive improvement over the current 720p/1080i content. I'd take 1080p at 60 fps over 4K at 30 fps any day.

  4. Tom_

    HDR

    Sounds like a channel that would actually benefit from HDR as well.

  5. Cynic_999

    High bitrates are needed only for streaming video. If it is a program based channel rather than a live feed, a program could be downloaded and stored for later viewing at whatever bitrate you like.

  6. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    4k'ing telly?

    I see Aldi are flogging 40" 4k tellies for 300 quid, assuming there's any left since they went on sale on Sunday.

    1. Tromos

      Re: 4k'ing telly?

      I would think it's fairly safe to assume they sold out within minutes as the number of units per store is very small.

      I'm happy to wait for the big brands to come down to that price before trading in my HD set. And I do hope NASA make downloads available, I'm not upgrading my broadband just for a few TV programs as I am perfectly content with the 12mbps it achieves as it is reasonably cheap, reliable and genuinely unlimited.

  7. Joe Gurman

    Erm

    NASA TV has been around since the '80s, available on many US cable providers. This is only an announcement of their 4K transmission plans.

  8. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    NasaTV's odd history

    NasaTV has been around for quite a while. A kind of odd thing, it used to be that NASA was requiring NasaTV to be carried in the clear, apparently. They eventually dropped this requirement (although I think it's included in any satellite TV package.)

    So, if you had a Dish Network receiver with no service, you'd have 1 channel with either Charlie Eigen (head of Dish Network) imploring you to sign up, or (if you were using a hacked card that Dish Network disabled) a channel where Charlie Eigen would chew you out for being such a cheapskate and gloat a bit about burning out your card. And NasaTV.

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