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Pakistan's intelligence agencies want to snoop on all communications crossing its borders. Documents published by Privacy International (PI) on Wednesday (PDF) show Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) agency proposed a programme to monitor all international IP traffic coming into and out of the country, encompassing …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Big Brother

    “Mass, indiscriminate surveillance goes against the most basic fundamental human right to privacy."

    And yet, almost every farking country on the planet seems to be doing it !

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: “Mass, indiscriminate surveillance goes against the most basic fundamental human right to

      What's sad for US/UK citizens is that they have people publicly questioning it. In the US those few who knew about it and weren't on board knew they'd go to jail for a long time for revealing this by questioning it publicly.

      But my government/media tells me Pakistan is the bad guys and we're the good guys....maybe they got it backwards?

    2. YARR
      Boffin

      Re: “Mass, indiscriminate surveillance goes against the most basic fundamental human right to privacy."

      If that is true, then targeted, discriminate surveillance must also go against the most basic fundamental human right to privacy. Otherwise privacy is not a human right, but a privilege which the so-called authorities can deny to anyone they class as a suspect. If something is a human right then not only suspects but convicted criminals would be entitled to it.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Priorities

    Don't the third world countries have more pressing issues other than spying on comms networks ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Priorities

      What, you don't think that Pakistan is a 3rd world country ? Think again..

      Of course it is easy to find the propaganda videos showing how wonderfull some things can be but here is a taste of some of the other realities....and this video was not done by a westerner...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-bGUDQTQyQ

    2. Bob Dole (tm)

      Re: Priorities

      It's more like 3rd world countries aren't supposed to be doing the same things the first world (?) countries are.

      Things like rigged elections, business controlled government, spying on your (and everyone else's) citizens, etc. You only get to do that if you can nuke the crap out of everyone else.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Mushroom

        Re: Priorities

        No, I'd find it more likely, not less, that a lesser power would engage in this kind of behavior. The threats to those in power are higher not lower and Pakistan already has a long history of undemocratic regime changes. Significantly, 2013 was when elements of the Taliban started attacking Pakistanis of all stripes and stating their allegiance to ISIS.

        In case you didn't know, Pakistan has more than a few nukes.

        1. Charles Manning

          Re: Priorities

          "In case you didn't know, Pakistan has more than a few nukes."

          And unlike the west, they've shown enough restraint to not light one off yet.

          The America dubious justification for nuking Hiroshima was that it cut the war short and saved tens of thousands of lives.

          If Pakistan was to follow that same logic they'd have fired up their nukes long ago.

          1. x 7

            Re: Priorities

            the reason the Pakistanis haven't deployed their nukes is that they know the minute they put them on a truck and move them out to an airfield or launch site, the Taliban would hijack them and point them back at Islamabad.......

            The Pakistanis know their fellow-muslims are a bigger threat than the Indians

  3. x 7

    given that the Pakistani security agency is closer to the Taliban than it is to the Pakistani government, this is a bit worrying

  4. ZSn

    Due diligence

    Their due diligence extends no further than checking if they can pay...

    1. Magani
      FAIL

      Re: Due diligence

      "... advises foreign companies selling surveillance equipment to “do their due diligence” and to stipulate human rights guarantees in their contracts"

      I suspect any guarantees will become null and void the moment the surveillance kit gets handed over, It's a SPY AGENCY. Regardless of origin, when have they ever taken any notice of human rights?

  5. Kernel32

    Is this news?

    Anyone who doesn't expect a foreign country to intercept and monitor International gateways is deluding themselves, whatever the laws about lawful interception on home territory may say. In the mid-2000s when I visited Pakistan regularly as an academic I assumed anything could be (potentially) read at the gateway or via hotel servers. Just general precautions. But then, anything sent into the Internet should be capable of being published in the (insert name of favourite newspaper/web-site). Privacy was lost in the first Elizabethan age (Burleigh/Walsingham et al). Get over it.

    1. Mark 85
      Devil

      Re: Is this news?

      Oh... if you hadn't mentioned Pakistan, I would have thought you were speaking of the US or the UK... we're good. Carry on.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Open season for the ISI

    "Under Pakistani law, authorities may employ covert surveillance if they have reason to believe someone is “likely to be associated” with an offence."

    Plenty of scope there then, considering the number of people who land up in court* on such heinous charges as 'desecrating a koran' or any number of things covered by the infamous blasphemy law, which "is defined as the act of insulting, showing contempt or lack of reverence for God or things considered sacred". So emailing Python quotes likely to transit Pakistan might be risky.

    * in all probability spending years in jail on remand before seeing the inside of a courtroom.

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