back to article Lawyer brands client 'small penis asshole' before challenging him to a DUEL

A legal eagle mocked the size of his client's manhood and then challenged him to a duel – not of the pink pistol variety – over an outstanding fee of just $400 (£256), according to an official complaint. The filing by the Illinois Attorney Registration & Disciplinary Commission revealed lawyer Donald Franz sent an email to …

  1. Roq D. Kasba

    Take the man at his word

    It's not like lawyers made the world a nice place to live in, so an open invitation like this would surely garner sympathy of you followed through.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Take the man at his word

      do you realize that in the times of advanced democracy as we experience nowadays, your post can be perceived as "incitement to violence" and, what follows, naturally, is links to extremism and terrorism (I'm sure something's bound to come up, there are no innocents). Certainly, feel free to say what you want, as you're entitled to fair trial for saying that...

      1. Roq D. Kasba

        Re: Take the man at his word

        ^^^ Or a duel. I'll take the duel.

        1. Hairless Biker
          Facepalm

          Re: Take the man at his word

          ...only if the duel can be conducted in this fashion.

          http://www.historychannel.com.au/classroom/day-in-history/654/hot-air-balloon-duel

          1. War President
            Megaphone

            Re: Take the man at his word

            No sir, we fight with cannon! Only girls fight with hot air balloons!

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmZuvF9JSMc

  2. craigb

    Something fishy here...

    A lawyer with something approaching a sense of humour? Isn't there some law against that?

    1. Robert Helpmann??
      Childcatcher

      Re: Something fishy here...

      A lawyer with something approaching a sense of humour? Isn't there some law against that?

      Nah, but his ex-client ought to take him up on the challenge and demand to resolve the dispute in some absurd manner. The lawyer did offer him his choice of "the time, place and manner." I recommend Springfield Township, PA (there are two), 6:00 (don't specify AM or PM) on February 29 to square off for a competitive round of frog gigging. Hunting for frogs in Pennsylvania during the winter seems like a fair way to resolve the issue.

      1. PhilipN Silver badge

        Lawyer's joke

        In the UK, until 1973, what was the first thing a girl lost when she got married?

        Her domicile.

        I would explain but then I'd have to send you a huge bill.

  3. frank ly

    re. "small penis a**hole"

    In typical legalese fashion, the exact meaning of this is open to interpretation. We need a court (and court appearances by lawyers) to decide.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: re. "small penis a**hole"

      First rule of practising law: Never say anything you could be held accountable for.

      Second rule: If whatever you said happens to be challenged, find some other bizarre interpretation to wiggle your sorry arse out of the dispute.

      Don't know what's worse... politicians or lawyers. Both like to give very blurry statements that can be spun one way or the other if necessary.

      1. Mark 85

        Re: re. "small penis a**hole"

        Don't know what's worse... politicians or lawyers.

        I can't speak for other countries but in the US, most politicians are lawyers. Thus the blurring of "what's worse". They're one and the same. Well.. maybe not. Politicians were usually lawyers first thus they've added a layer of BS themselves.

  4. SolidSquid

    I thought the standard practice was that the person who was challenged to the duel got to choose the weapon used, not the challenger. Bad form on the lawyer trying to pressure him into choosing small claims when he's perfectly entitled to pistols at dawn

    1. Phil W

      Or kippers at midnight.

  5. Antonymous Coward
    Boffin

    Nanny state gone mad

    Erm, why on earth did you feel the need to censor "asshole" Reg?

    1. Lionel Baden

      Re: Nanny state gone mad

      I have no idea why I clicked on that link!!!

      1. Antonymous Coward
        Gimp

        Re: Nanny state gone mad

        I have no idea why I clicked on that link!!!

        I think I might be able to answer that

      2. Mark 85

        Re: Nanny state gone mad

        I know why I did. To see if it was picture a certain politician... and it was.

  6. MrDamage Silver badge

    Hopes dashed.

    When I saw the "victim's" name was Mike, I was hoping it would be this guy, so I could settle in with some beer and popcorn.

  7. Vinyl-Junkie
    IT Angle

    I wouldn't normally do this but...

    I am completely failing to see an IT angle here (except for the message being sent by email, which is mighty thin).

    1. Alister

      Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

      I am completely failing to see an IT angle here

      The story is filed under "Bootnotes" and therefore just has to be amusing, not IT related.

      1. Vinyl-Junkie
        Trollface

        Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

        Oh well; I thought even Bootnotes had to be at least science, if not IT, related. But apparently not. It also depends on your definition of "amusing"....

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

          generally, anything to do with lawyers is amusing. Likewise genitals, celebs and politicians (random priority). Did I fail to mention the bankers?

          1. Peter Simpson 1
            Happy

            Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

            Bonus points are awarded for using all three (or four) in the same article.

            1. Sir Runcible Spoon

              Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

              And you get multipliers if those involved come to some sort of disagreeable/amusing end.

            2. theblackhand

              Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

              And fire. Bankers, lawyers, celebs, politicians, their respective genitals and fire.

          2. Mark 85

            Re: I wouldn't normally do this but...

            You should add to that list.. The Post Pub Nosh. Very much IT related, though.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Mixed metaphors

    Isn't there some grammatical rules for mixing anatomically inspired insults.... It would save some nasty mental images.

    1. Antonymous Coward
      Headmaster

      Re: Mixed metaphors

      "Isn't there some grammatical rules.."

      Irony alert!

  9. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

    The Irish Code of Honour

    It would appear that in the heat of the moment Mr Franz did not take time to review the terms of the Irish Code of Honour, or whatever variation of it was appropriate in the state of Illinois. To facilitate the opportunity to settle this dispute without recourse to further language unbefitting gentlemen of quality, I proffer a link (PDF) to an example of such rules, regrettably applying to South Carolina. I have not found rules for Illinois, but the rules proscribed for general adoption throughout Ireland are available for your perusal at the conclusion of the missive.

    Duelling has been made illegal many countries to reduce the number of officers trained at tax-payers expense killed or maimed as a result of the rivalries among them. Although not trained in the law of Illinois, I beleive it may be possible to settle the dispute legally, within those parts of the code that do not reference firing pistols.

    Spectators should note that throwing a glove to the floor is more than sufficient to enact a challenge to a duel. The challengee could pick up the glove and use it to slap the face of the challenger. In my humble opinion, such uncouth behaviour is beneath the dignity of a gentleman, and the code of honour inappropriate when one of the participants demonstrates the habbits and conduct of low born riffraff. The only honourable way to commence a duel is through failure of negotiations between seconds.

    The code is intended as recourse for harsh words, or if a gentlemen were somehow taunted beyond all reason, exchange of blows. There is no direct reference to a dispute concerning settlement of a bill, but - at a stretch - such an eventuality might be considered equivalent to cheating at cards if agreed upon by seconds.

    If Mr Franz has not already retired in shame at the depths to which he has sunk, and wishes to attempt to proceed as a gentleman of honour, he should request a friend (not blood relative) to act as his second. Such a friend would not be able to proceed in good faith without a written or public apology from Mr Franz including a statement that Mr Rutzokwski is a gentleman and the size of is penis is either unknown to Mr Franz or is of sufficient to escape the faintest hint of ridicule.

    If seconds are not able to convince their primaries to settle their trivial pecuniary differences, the American variations of the code inevitably lead all concerned to criminal activity. The correct time to settle a matter of honour is at the first opportunity. The place is the traditional place nearest the primaries as agreed by the seconds. The weapons are smooth-bore flint-lock pistols. More modern pistols me be used if acceptable to both primaries. The seconds should also be armed as it is the duty of a second to shoot the opposing primary should he fire before the agreed signal.

    Irish rules include a possibility for unconventional weapons. If the challengee proposes a sword and the challenger admits to being unproficient, the challengee can name any other weapon and the challenger must accept the choice.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      Re: The Irish Code of Honour

      Considering that nature of the alleged insult, I would suggest speedos and paintball guns at 20 paces. First to squeal like a piggy has lost.

    2. disgruntled yank

      Re: The Irish Code of Honour

      Don't know about the Irish, but a couple of 19th Century Americans had it out in Bladensburg, Maryland, with rifles at twelve paces. This was modified from the original proposal of shotguns at ten, but was suitably destructive, leading to the death of one participant and the long convalescence of the other.

  10. Stevie

    Bah!

    I'm having a problem visualizing the new unit of size - the Penis Asshole.

    Is it a measure of length, width, area or volume?

    One doesn't want to fall into the trap of being ridiculed for measuring the path taken by New Horizons in Penis Assholes when it would have been more appropriate to use it to show how voluminous Pluto is or how much real estate there is on the unplanet.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why exactly...

    ...do you think they are called "paid liars", in the U.S.? In U.S. law schools paid liars are taught to be able to argue both sides of any issue. In other words in the U.S. judicial system there is no "right or wrong" or compliance with law. Paid liars are allowed to make any personal assaults on plaintiffs without a shred of evidence to support their meritless, abusive, insulting, vial, disparaging allegations. This is routinely done to try and discredit an individual and make the paid liar look like the honest person when they are often the evil aggressors and typical liars. While not all paid liars fit the mold, a high percentage do as documented by millions of U.S. citizen's experiences.

    As soon as any paid liar in the U.S. is outed for their uncivil and often illegal behavior, they immediately play the slander and libel card to try and stop any action against them. Believe it or not in the U.S. if a person files a complaint against an evil, incompetent, unscrupulous paid liar with the U.S. bar association and the person can not prove that the paid liar caused damages to the individual such as financial losses, etc. then the person filing the complaint can and usually is convicted in a U.S. court of slander or libel towards the paid liar and then fined and forced to pay damages to the paid liar, for reporting the unscrupulous paid liar to the bar association. The paid liar clan in the U.S. protects it's own. You have almost a zero chance of winning ANY claim against a paid liar in the U.S. no matter how evil, unscrupulous and criminal the paid liar is.

    If the person named in this story tries to sue he is very likely to lose in a U.S. court unless he can prove a financial loss or some employment or other loss as a result of the unprofessional, intentionally intimidating, irrational, disparaging, demeaning, crude, ignorant e-mail he received. In the U.S. he who has the gold or JD, makes the rules. You can obtain as much "justice" in the U.S. judicial system as you can afford and many people are very distraught that the U.S. judicial system has become what one would expect of a third world country - or worse.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Small claims" court

    Seems appropriate.

  13. Glenturret Single Malt

    **********

    Why is asshole given in full in the headline but bowdlerised to a**hole in the article?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: **********

      Maybe because it's a quote -so the lawyer might have actually written "a**hole"?

      For the headline el reg has helpfully filled in the blanks for us.

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