back to article Boffins now one step closer to male birth control pill

Boffins are developing two new methods for birth control that may eventually lead to the availability of a “male pill”. H2-gamendazole, an organic compound that prevents sperm from reaching maturity, is going through animal testing. Sperm cells grow a tail and head in the testis, but H2-gamendazole blocks this metabolic …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    And the IT angle

    That is going to take a hell of breathrough in authentication between Alice and Bob to get Alice to believe Bob has taken it.

    1. gerryg

      Re: And the IT angle

      Agreed, it's all about the quantum of entanglement.

    2. Lord Lien
      Joke

      Re: And the IT angle

      "Bob" will always have a weaker encryption algorithm. I've tried to so hard to crack my "Alice" encryption over the years.... I find it easer just to take the dog for a walk & hope the storm blows over by the time I get back :)

      1. fruitoftheloon
        Joke

        @Lord Lien: Re: And the IT angle

        Lord L,

        I must give that a go, then again perhaps I don't really need to as whenever the atmos turns 'frosty', then I ask how she is, if I get an answer it is usually 'I am fine', which of course is just great!

        Cheers,

        Jay

    3. Remy Redert

      Re: And the IT angle

      Both sides can take contraceptives. No more need to authenticate that Alice has been taking the pill, if you know you've been taking yours and the other way around.

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        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: And the IT angle

          "[...] as has been shown by a variety of experiments, including the objective demonstration that strippers get more income when they are fertile.)"

          Not sure that is true about a vasectomy - there is no apparent change. It might even be that the retention of sperm increases the body's need to want to discharge the excess.

          However - sex is largely in the mind. A man fearful of yet another addition to the family might have his libido liberated by knowing he is now infertile. On the other hand someone who measures their macho rating by their impregnation potential might be significantly emasculated in their own mind.

          My vasectomy at 35 had no noticeable effect on my libido. However - the fear of STIs did inhibit me from being promiscuous.

    4. Khaptain Silver badge

      Re: And the IT angle

      Alice and Bob no longer practice penetration due to the latest pentest results showing that there may some existing viral infection.

    5. Buzzword

      Re: And the IT angle

      If Bob suspects that Alice has been, umm, "communicating" with Charlie, then Bob can pop his pill and when Alice gets pregnant he can be certain it's not his.

      1. Knuten

        Re: And the IT angle

        I suspect that Charlie installed a Backdoor, allowing full access to Alice.

    6. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And the IT angle

      The problem of trust is already a problem for far more invasive medical procedures and men go through these anyway, because unwanted pregnancies are that bad.

    7. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And the IT angle

      But what about Ted and Carol?

    8. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: And the IT angle

      From Bob's perspective, a Man In The Middle attack would be quite evident.

    9. Trigonoceps occipitalis

      Re: And the IT angle

      "Of course I'll respect you in the morning and I've taken my NoSprem this morning."

  2. codejunky Silver badge

    Hmm

    Surely a more useful pill would be one to get women in the mood instead of relying on environmental factors such as wanting something

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm

      I believe the substance you are looking for is sold in a variety of outlets under the generic brand name of "wine"

      1. codejunky Silver badge

        Re: Hmm

        You may wanna be careful applying wine as a sex inducing drug. The laws are already heading in the direction of calling it a date rape drug. Remember to check for permission and to make sure your date is not too drunk to be classed as consenting (because we all carry breathalysers on us).

      2. fruitoftheloon
        Thumb Up

        @AC: Re: Hmm

        Ac,

        Indeed, if funds permit I am given to understand that a BMW or Mercedes convertible can also be quite effective...

        Regards,

        Jay

    2. skeptical i
      Boffin

      Re: Hmm

      Um, wow. If the honeymoon is over and "maintenance sex" does not appear to be on the table (or the floor or the desk or ...), certainly some couples counselling is in order? If one partner is no longer interested, there must be a reason (age, hormone fluctuation -- including that induced by birth control pills, stress, medical weirdness, tastes changing, &c), yes? Seattle sex advice dispenser Dan Savage -- http://www.thestranger.com/archive/dan-savage,columns -- wrote about this recently in his "Savage Love" column, if anyone wants to take a peek.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Hmm

        I'm a little confused about the whole she's drunk so it's rape argument. What if he's drunk too? I know that a certain level of drunkenness in a man prohibits sex but most men are capable of performing while still being too drunk to exercise good judgement. So, why is it always the man's responsibility?

        Obviously it's a different case if she's unconscious on the floor but recent cases in the courts seem to indicate that being a bit silly is enough to indicate that she's unable to give consent and therefore the man is at fault.

        Anyway, back to the subject of a pill for men: Seems a bit of a waste of resources when there's already a contraceptive pill, condoms, caps and coils....... from a purely objective point of view anyway.

        1. DragonLord

          Re: Hmm

          @AC: "Anyway, back to the subject of a pill for men: Seems a bit of a waste of resources when there's already a contraceptive pill, condoms, caps and coils....... from a purely objective point of view anyway."

          See all of these things, with the possible exception of the condom, are things that the woman needs to remember. Having a contraceptive pill for men equalises that slightly by providing something that men need to start remembering, and thus balance out the power dynamics associated with sex in relationships as both people can now be considered to be responsible for ensuring that accidents don't happen.

        2. lucki bstard

          Re: Hmm

          That's just the way society is changing at the moment, whether its good or bad is down to your personal perspective. just be aware of it and if you can pop back in another 100 years you'll find that the dynamics have changed again.

  3. Banksy
    Go

    Vasalgel FTW

    An compound injected into the vas deferens that is non-hormonal, may last for up to 10 years and is also reversible. Don't have to remember to take a pill either. It's currently undergoing animal tests ahead of human trials: http://www.parsemusfoundation.org/vasalgel-home/

    1. Sparkypatrick

      Re: Vasalgel FTW

      Hmm, 'injected into the vas deferens' - there's your problem, right there. Or to put it another way, 'Hell, no!'

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Vasalgel FTW

        'Hell, no!'

        As one gets older it is surprising what medical procedures you get used to. Generally no worse than a visit to the dentist.

        However - the other men in the vasectomy waiting room with their partners did look rather pale before the operation. Nothing to it - it was a snip.

        A recent case of balanitis*** raised the spectre of cancer. The lady doctor had not taken a biopsy sample before. The senior doctor supervised her excising a small chunk of flesh - while a nurse kept me distracted in conversation.

        Self-catheterisation is taught to you by a urology nurse. In my case it happened to be an old neighbour whom I knew quite well. She cracked jokes about the diameter of the catheter being only a "medium" size.

        As I said - when you get older you learn to recognise that the body is a machine that wears out and needs repairs...

        ***Inflammation of the foreskin. Any pictures are NSFW - and can look like something from that old alt newsgroup which used to specialise in the gory.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Vasalgel FTW

          "However - the other men in the vasectomy waiting room with their partners did look rather pale before the operation. Nothing to it - it was a snip."

          I was pale afterwards! The doc injected the local anesthetic and then came back 10 minutes later and started cutting... The local hadn't taken affect! :-O The doc said, "too late, I've started, so I'll finish!" That was f'ing agony!

          Then it wouldn't stop bleeding, as I was getting changed, so I had to nip back into the operation room for them to dress it again...

          Still, it was worth it in the end.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Vasalgel FTW

            "The local hadn't taken affect!"

            That happened to me too - although it wasn't too painful. Always have to remind the dentist that a local anaesthetic seems to take a bit longer on me.

            Peeling off the vasectomy dressing a few days later was tricky. These days I can't even say "do you want to see my scar" - it has faded completely.

          2. Ugotta B. Kiddingme

            Re: vasectomy discomfort

            Piece-o-cake for me. I scheduled mine to coincide with a needed sinus surgery where I knew I would be under general anesthesia. Talked to doctors into tag-teaming. I saw the urologist walk into surgery right as I was going under and awoke to bandages on my nose and an ice pack on my nuts. I correctly anticipated being sufficiently miserable with the sinus thing that I never even noticed the tender bits below.

  4. phil dude
    Paris Hilton

    not so sure...

    The problem with "turning off" anything in biology is that sometimes the system has to compensate (e.g. cancer).

    Plus, I am pretty sure Paris would notice the difference...

    P.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: not so sure...

      Yes there is always a risk. So I assume you would not let your wife take birth control because of the similar risks. Passing the risks associated with birth control onto your spouse might be consider more cowardly than even an anonymous comment.

  5. All names Taken
    Alien

    Yeh but?

    What happens when it gets into the foodchain?

    1. fruitoftheloon
      Joke

      @All names taken: Re: Yeh but?

      A n t,

      You can go too far with the whole oral sex thing you know?

      Cheers,

      J.

  6. Anonymous Bullard
    Childcatcher

    ... going through animal testing.

    How do I sign up?

  7. MrDamage Silver badge
    Joke

    Nothing new...

    I've had a male birth control pill for years. I take it the morning after, and it changes my blood type.

  8. DanceMan

    Animal testing

    If it works on rats, and squirrels (in urban areas), I'll take a case or it.

    1. ravenviz Silver badge

      Re: Animal testing

      ...and foxes!

  9. Conundrum1885

    RE. Re. Animal testing

    I thought that undergraduates would be the ideal test uhm, body for this research.

    They are responsible enough to use protection anyway and plus samples can be collected to see if it is actually working to fine tune the dose.

    Also relevant is that it is quite simple to detect gametes and this is probably within the feasibility of using an Iphone camera and UV filter on the flash LED to measure fluorescence.

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