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Reg bad-boy Dom Connor was walking the halls at DroidCon recently - this is what he saw ... DroidDrones Flyver was among the exhibitors at DroidCon 2014, where it unveiled an API that works with your Android phone to control a drone. It's also selling a bundle of sensors, battery and processor that's light and cheap enough …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    > That's over 1200 geeks, putting Apple’s reach in harsh perspective.

    And Apple's WWDC had 5000 attendees.

    And Scientology claim 10 Million members.

    What's your point?

    1. Dominic Connor, Quant Headhunter

      That's 1200 *in the UK*, yes there are >5,000 Apple developers in the US, my point, if you missed it is that the first and second derivatives of the curve point firmly towards Android.

      Think Betamax vs VHS.

      Betamax was Sony alone, good kit.

      VHS was absolutely everyone else in consumer electronics from Sharp to Amstrad.

      VHS won.

      Same with mobile O/S

      As it happens I don't particularly like Android as a dev platform, but what I like and what wins correlate badly.

      Also since when was a "Bad boy" ?

      1. Steve Todd
        Stop

        The problem with that theory is that devs make more money for less effort on the iOS platform, so it is still most often the first platform that an app is developed for (most devs actually want to make money from their code). Until the stats swing dramatically against that then you're not going to get the VHS/Betamax effect.

      2. croc

        Bad analogy. What killed Betamax was cost. Tape cost. Secondarily it was length. A long play VHS was able to record up to three movies on one tape. The quality was crap, but the cost was cheap.

      3. danny_0x98

        Betamax v VHS

        The difficulty in using that as proof is that those were incompatible formats for content. 30 years later, what would be the analogue to the movie. The app? Okay, there's some merit in that. Where it doesn't hold up is that we had video rentals and sales. Everyone up and down the chain was bothered by duplicated effort and complexity.

        Today? Different stores, so no one is annoyed that they have to go and return an app because they got the iOS version by mistake. Apps are not as unique a creation as a movie. What this suggests is that "any old war movie" is not a substitute for Apocalypse Now, but any old vector drawing app will substitute on iOS if an Android developer has come up with a great art app.

        The format wars were a friction on VCR uptake. The choice of mobile os was not and is not. VHS's victory was short-lived: it took DVDs about three years to disrupt, and some of that quickness was because there was no format contention. Note that we did have a repeat with Blu-Ray and HD, and notice how consumers resisted. Digital download has no format contention and is becoming dominant over optical disk.

        Tapes, being physical, had significant costs for manufacturing and shipping. Guessing wrong on how many Beta and VHS tapes to make and to stock could be expensive. Over in the stores, tapes take space and rentals had to be purchased. A title being out could mean a lost sale or rental, and there are new titles every week, so old titles need to be unstocked. Clearly, as soon as there was enough demand for VHS that a store could say "Sorry, we don't have Beta," a store would.

        There are absolutely no equivalents to those problems in the world of mobile apps.

        And for every Beta VCR that survived the VHS victory — I was a dead-ender — there are hundreds of iOS users who buy apps. iOS is and remains far more successful than Beta was.

        Now, your prediction may be ultimately correct, but it won't be easily reduced to VHS again.

        1. plrndl

          Re: Betamax v VHS

          What killed Betamax was Sony trying to ban porn, which is always the first driver of new technology.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      WDC

      that's mostly press, who are all on a jolly paid for by Apple owners, as it's included in the Apple Sales Tax.

  2. jviddy

    While i don't doubt that there are a growing number of android developers, citing 1,200 android developers at an android development event being a sign of the decline of Apples reach is a ridiculous.

    If i'm not mistaken, apple sold out all 5,000 tickets to WWDC in minutes this year.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      5000 hipster wankers not real devs

  3. Mike Bell

    Skynet

    In case anybody is in any doubt, that is what Android is becoming.

    Except... James Cameron didn't imagine that Judgment Day would be made all the easier by gadgets that embrace malware with open arms.

    </AndroidBaiting>

  4. Mr. EMan
    Meh

    Bovine Herders vs. Native Americans

    Okay—I get it. We humans tend to bin groups as Us vs. Them. So now it’s iOS vs. Android, framed in the context of Windows vs Macs.

    But is this really the same story? What defines Winners and Losers? If you’re out of the market, I guess you’re the loser. What if you have the largest market cap? Do you win?

    As others pointed out, Mac developer conferences are also well attended. Isn’t this about two ecosystems with good support? And as long as developers are able to make money, aren’t they going to support those platforms?

    There are hundreds of millions of iOS devices, and probably billions of Android devices by now. They’re not each going to disappears in a puff of smoke. Let them compete to our benefit. In our need for ridiculous analogies, let me finish by saying there are 1.35 billion people in China. It must be all over for the Swiss then.

    (IUnless, of course, this is link bait, in which case, carry on.)

  5. kmac499

    The Bastard Child syndrome.

    How do you start a Small computer company? Start a big one and wait.

    How do you start a Big computer company ? Usually by accident

    Many times in the IT-sphere small non mainstream projects have gained a foothold in the market and then grown almost uncontrollably to become very big. Becoming the Bastard Child that returns to haunt the parent and claim it's rightful crown. These projects are either self funded or sanctioned as a sop to the engineers involved, to make them go away and leave the big boys alone.

    Think the original IBM PC business, SMS Texting, The C language, GNU and Linux and my current favourite the Raspberry Pi eco-system.

    Android is certainly in this camp, it ain't the prettiest or the best (whatever that means) but it does let people get their hands dirty and play with it for a very low cost. Engineering excellence and the size of the marketing budget is irrelevant, as the piece said it's the demographics of the recruits to the cause that's vital for long term success.

  6. Gordon 10
    WTF?

    More Importantly

    How does a robot use facial recognition to follow you?

    Shouldn't it be using arse recognition?

    1. kmac499

      Re: More Importantly

      That explains the restraining order Jennifer Aniston put on Brian from confused.com.

      "May I help you Jennifer ? "

    2. Simon Harris
      Coat

      Re: More Importantly

      "Shouldn't it be using arse recognition?"

      I'm designing one that can track me by the infra-red signature of my piles...

      ... it's a 'Droid 'Roid follower.

  7. 45RPM Silver badge

    Perhaps we all need to “let go of the notion that for Android* to win, iOS** has to lose”.

    *insert name of OS that your tribe thinks is amazing here.

    **insert name of OS that your tribe believes will be the downfall of civilization here.

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  9. JimWin

    We should not forget that both Apple & Android support the mobile phone networks so, in that sense, they are simply consumer comunication platforms that additionally support apps. From the networks perspective, they could not care less which, if any, 'wins'. So this is not a Beta-v-VHS battle because the primary goal of both platforms is to make calls and send text messages and all mobile phones will do that whatever phone is used. Users will not lose out on that basic premise. It's also the case that many apps are, or can be, developed for whatever mobile platform is desired and these apps are almost entirely independent from the network choice**. So I believe there are no real losers here as long as the networks are happy to take any viable mobile device.

    ** yes, there are some network specific apps, but that is not the thrust of my point here.

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