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In the first step towards the future of law enforcement, New York's police department is beta-testing Google Glass to give its officers instant access to crime data. Just like the Terminator can analyse prospective Sarah Connors with a mere glance, the NYPD is hoping that the tech specs will allow cops to walk into a room and …

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  1. dogged

    The old trick of yelling "OK Glass, SafeSearch off, Horse Porn" could prove invaluable for getaway drivers.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Eventually there will be discrimination legislation introduced to make it an offence to make fun of the google glass minorities who wear the things. In an attempt to prevent hurt feelings it will enable the courts to jail anyone who utters the words 'look at that knob-head wearing those things.

      It will be deemed the same as any form of racism , genderism etc etc.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Lawsuit

      Repetitive Strain Injury.

      Give it a couple of years and watch for all the lawsuits against the state by state officials who were forced to wear these things that,

      A. Caused the person to injure themselves while being distracted.

      B. Cause a third party death by running over them while distracted while driving to an emergency and killing an innocent passerby.

      And the biggest one

      C. Causing long term eye damage, headaches, and brain cancer to the employees forced to wear them.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Lawsuit

        brain cancer to the employees forced to wear them.

        Given the target audience, brain cancer is not going to be an issue. What isn't there cannot get ill.

      2. Ian Michael Gumby

        @AC Re: Lawsuit

        Yup,

        But not for the reason you think...

        Suppose a glasshole police were to look at you, and from facial recognition determine you're a dangerous homicidal maniac. The cop arrests you and then detains you even though you can prove who you say you are...

        That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen.

        Then there is the issue of bad data where the glasshole determines that there's an outstanding warrant for you...

        While the officer could claim 'good faith', the city would lose the case.

        The only benefit would be that each police officer would be a walking CCTV.

        Of course Google likes this because they will get all of the data to better market things to you...

        So the next time a bunch of adult based entertainment pops up on your screen, it will be because some glasshole happened to be walking down the city street and glance at you as you come out of that adult bookstore....

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: @AC Lawsuit

          Not for the reason YOU think either: The cops see "dangerous homicidal maniac" flash up and they will go straight to the fairly well documented* "Unload Magazines"-routine; if you are a blind octogenarian in a wheelchair, they will cap you, your pet, and a few bystanders with impunity - and get away with it too!

          *) Soon, there will be a "Replace Police Officers With Armed Hoodies"-routine in all of the surveillance cameras.

    3. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: "The old trick of yelling...."

      That's an old trick already ?

      1. dogged

        Re: "The old trick of yelling...."

        It's a few months old. In Twitter terms, only dead people remember it.

    4. Lost in Cyberspace

      Re:

      A new take on shouting 'Xbox...' whenever I enter the living room, just to piss off the kids :)

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    In other news, Charles Stross is prescient

    see Halting State, a near future SF police procedural set in a recently independent Scotland, where the police are equiped with AR glasses that, among other things, do exactly what this article describes.

  3. Gordon Pryra

    You can identify the bad guys immediately within seconds

    Presumably he would be the one with the gun?

    The good guys would be the ones who would give you the chance to wait for the egg timer in your eye to disapear before shooting at you?

    1. big_D Silver badge

      Re: You can identify the bad guys immediately within seconds

      Sounds like a huge invasion of privacy and has some big data protection implications... Oh, wait, we are talking about the USA here, so no worries there.

      Hopefully it will blur out the faces of anybody in the room who hasn't signed a data protection waiver.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: You can identify the bad guys immediately within seconds

      > You can identify the bad guys immediately within seconds

      I note that nowhere in the requirements it says to identify them before you shoot them.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You just can't stop progress

    The way things are going it won't be too long before GG is built into riot police's helmet visors.

    Citizen,!! .,,, you have ten seconds to comply........ 10 ..... 0

    Zrrrg!!! poof

    or

    smack, smack

    (depending on facial scan results).

    Hope there aren't too many false positives.

    1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: You just can't stop progress

      Citizen,!! .,,, you have ten seconds to comply

      Or, if they're running Windows

      9 seconds remaining

      8 seconds remaining

      75 minutes remaining

      45 seconds remaining

      1 minute remaining

      ...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: You just can't stop progress

        I laughed at this, but only because this morning the satnav told me I was going to be 68 minutes late unless I took a diversion (along a road I knew to be blocked by fallen rocks), and then suddenly changed from 66 minutes to 11. The thought of a 55 minute long traffic jam suddenly evaporating reminded me of the old Windows and Mac file transfers which acted just as you describe - though it was one iteration of Mac OS that used to go from 1 minute remaining to about 2^30 hours remaining.

        Or, to put this whole thing more succinctly, I really doubt that the network will deliver the performance that the NYPD would need. More like, as the unfortunate policeman reaches ER, the search will reveal that the guy who knifed him thirty minutes before was a known drug dealer.

      2. Lockwood

        Re: You just can't stop progress

        Or, if they're running Linux it'd count down then find that the driver for the weapon was compiled for a different kernel version?

      3. MrDamage Silver badge

        Windows Cliipy + Google advertising.

        It appears you are in a high speed chase. Would you like me to;

        Call for backup with GPS coordinates?

        Give you directions to the nearest Dunkin' Donuts Drive-Thru?

  5. Anonymous Custard
    Big Brother

    In a crowded place

    So the cop walks into Times Square or a similarly crowded area, and the system either overloads and melts, or just spams his vision enough to be useless at best, and a safety issue at worst?

    Plus I didn't think Google Glass came in a mirrored shades version yet? Or will that be a special police sunglasses edition?

  6. Piro Silver badge

    Haha, why not Robocop?

    No, really, Robocop had the HUD too with perp detection and so on...

    ... Not Terminator. He had it, but not for a strict crime prevention tool, more of a combat effectiveness and situational awareness tool. Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

      Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal

      .. but WAY more fun. "Uzi 9mm" tends to be a tad more effective at intimidation :)

      1. big_D Silver badge

        Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

        I'll be back... /Arnie ...my batteries are dead.

        1. Sir Runcible Spoon
          Coffee/keyboard

          Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

          "Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal"

          According to the NSA..

          "Terminator operates within the legal framework - since it's a machine and the people who programmed it haven't done so yet. Also, setting an autonomous killing machine loose on an intended target seems perfectly reasonable to us. Does he come with a stealth mode?"

          I only wish I were joking, in fact I'd rather just ----------------->

          1. Colin Millar

            Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

            "setting an autonomous killing machine loose on an intended target"

            You don't need fictional characters as examples - bounty hunters pretty much fit this description and they are very real.

            1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge
              Happy

              Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

              bounty hunters pretty much fit this description and they are very real.

              I know the far superior dark chocolate ones are a lot harder to get hold of than the milk choccie ones, but I didn't realise that the search had gone to this extent! No wonder I can't find them in my local newsagents any more...

              1. Miek
                Linux

                Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

                "Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal." -- At the moment I could argue either way on that one.

    2. Marcelo Rodrigues
      Headmaster

      Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

      "Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal."

      Wouldn't it be a combatant? Else, a machine - and machines cannot be condemned.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Trollface

      Re: Haha, why not Robocop?

      > Cops shouldn't be comparing themselves to Terminator, who was, himself, a criminal.

      That's OK, laws can be changed.

      Lord knows, copying files or watching your legally bought DVD on Linux is apparently a criminal offense these days. Going back in time and killing a officially classified dangerous subversive is small potatoes.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not allowed surely?

    I thought the TOS for Glass specifically forbade face recognition apps? (a shame for anyone using it, as virtual name badges would be fantastic, but good for privacy for everyone else).

    Do the NYPD get an exemption, is someone enterprising in the force sideloading apps?

    1. big_D Silver badge

      Re: Not allowed surely?

      Private stores... Private stores and side loading mean that they can do pretty much what they want. Corporations have been able to have corporate stores for iPhone and Android for ages, which bypass all T&Cs for the official app stores.

    2. solo
      Black Helicopters

      Re: Not allowed surely?

      I am looking for Cyanogenmod for myself

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Coming soon, privacy masks

    A full face mask with a thin HD screen that shows the world your preferred avatar face, complete with voice and lip sync.

    Plus built in G-Glass equivalent, phone and music/video player.

    Also displays (rude) messages when in the proximity of annoying people, CCTV, et al.

    See icon.

    1. Graham Marsden
      Big Brother

      Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

      Coming soon: Laws to prohibit you from disguising or concealing your face...

      ... oh, hang on, they're already here...

      1. Sir Runcible Spoon

        Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

        "Laws to prohibit..already here"

        Are they? Can you point me at the relevant info? I seem to be ignorant of this particular law.

        1. Graham Marsden

          @Sir Runcible Spoon - Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

          Criminal Justice and Public Order Act 1994

          60AA Powers to require removal of disguises

          (1)Where—

          (a)an authorisation under section 60 is for the time being in force in relation to any locality for any period, or

          (b)an authorisation under subsection (3) that the powers conferred by subsection (2) shall be exercisable at any place in a locality is in force for any period,

          those powers shall be exercisable at any place in that locality at any time in that period.

          (2)This subsection confers power on any constable in uniform—

          (a)to require any person to remove any item which the constable reasonably believes that person is wearing wholly or mainly for the purpose of concealing his identity;

          (b)to seize any item which the constable reasonably believes any person intends to wear wholly or mainly for that purpose.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: @Sir Runcible Spoon - Coming soon, privacy masks

            "...those powers shall be exercisable at any place in that locality at any time [...] to seize any item which the constable reasonably believes any person intends to wear wholly or mainly for that purpose..." - So basically you're saying a cop can at any time come into one's house and procure himself unlimited gimp masks for free...?

      2. jnffarrell1

        Read out the IR portion of the spectrum

        Compare to IR portion of mugshots. Masks don't hide much when cool and are uncomfortable when on fire.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

      See A Scanner Darkly, it had a suit that disguised who you are.

      1. ratfox

        Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

        Depending on the country, that's already forbidden. E.g in France, it has the amusing and completely unintended effect of banning Muslim-type face veils.

      2. psychonaut

        A scanner darkly

        better still, read it.

    3. harmjschoonhoven
      Boffin

      Re: Coming soon, privacy masks

      Makeup to fool face recognition is effective, at least against the native OpenCV cvHaarDetectObjects().

      Examples: http://www.geekosystem.com/anti-facial-recognition/, http://cvdazzle.com/.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    GG really does have the potential to be a life changer. iPhone is a piddly medal from the noughties.

    Glass will change lives. Welcome to the twenteens!

    Glasshole or not, its not as bad as being seen with iPhone (gfar).

    1. Piro Silver badge

      No, it's far worse.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Life changing injuries subjected to random people by glasshats watching videos and TV shows while driving.

    3. Lost in Cyberspace

      Re:

      Being seen with any mobile phone in the 80s was a No no.

      Being seen 10 years ago with a smartphone in public was a no no.

      In-ear Bluetooth still makes you look like a dick, unless they look like earphones.

      Eventually this technology will find a way of looking normal instead of horrendous.

  10. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    So, NYPD is crash-testing Glass in the field

    I'll be interested in hearing just how long those things survive in the streets in such conditions.

    Methinks not long.

  11. Not That Andrew

    So they'll be testing facial recognition, but not testing to see if it's viable to use it to record encounters with the public? NYPD REALLY don't like being on camera.

    1. Tom 38

      Quite. If cops have cameras attached to their faces all the time when on duty, then that should be recorded, stored and made accessible to all pertinent parties.

      For instance, if you are arrested or searched by an officer, you or your attorney should be supplied with the footage from all officers who arrested/searched you.

      If misconduct complaints are raised against an officer, this system should be made available to review their actions in the period in question.

      If they roll out this without doing any of these things, it would be a sham. I have no problems with honest upstanding cops, but they are public servants whom we give a great deal of power, their actions should be accountable to us. Too frequently when one cop does something wrong, the rest clam up and cover ranks, they should be gagging for a system that records precisely what events occurred.

  12. Rob

    Would this not encourage crims to take more shots, whether via a bullet or a fist, at the coppers faces to disrupt the evidence recording tech?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      "disrupt the evidence recording tech"

      Many years ago, working on tank sights, I speculated that you could make a very effective air burst charge using inkjet printer ink, that would cover any surface in a cone in front of it with opaque black ink that would resist windscreen wipers. I am sure that something like this could be developed as a recording camera disruptor - non lethal, but effective.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: "disrupt the evidence recording tech"

        Inkjet ordinance?`That kind of device would bankrupt the biggest state actors, even those that have a "central bank" to print up the missing money.

        1. DropBear
          Trollface

          Re: "disrupt the evidence recording tech"

          Meh - just go Green! Carry a loaded squid at all times!

      2. MrDamage Silver badge

        Re: "disrupt the evidence recording tech"

        Given the cost of HP cartridges, only the military would be able to afford htis kind of tech.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Of course NYPD cops wearing Glass...

    Will no doubt be allowed to drive wearing them, evening while their west coast brethren try to prosecute people for doing the same.

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Of course NYPD cops wearing Glass...

      Like how they're allowed to exceed the speed limit and run red lights, you mean? The whole point is they are trained how to drive fast / use tech while driving, while concentrating properly.

  14. Trollslayer

    Oh to hack that

    It won't take long, you only need to distract them for a couple of seconds.

    Too much automation makes people vulnerable.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    How long...

    Until some hacker highjacks their software so that it tags all colored people as criminals ?

    Oh wait... they allready do !

  16. Burnerjack

    INMNHO, having a video feed on law enforcement personnel is a GREAT idea. Not only does it add immediacy to their ability to verify ID etc., but more importantly, in the event of dangerous action, the public is further protected from abuse and Law Enforcement (by extention, the Taxpayer) is protected from unwarranted litigation costs. Having the ability to record events in real time, uploaded on a continuous basis is a win/win for all.

  17. James Hughes 1

    So much negativity.

    Almost all comments against, slagging off GG, slagging off what people look like when wearing them. Just like every other piece on GG that's ever appeared on ElReg.

    And, just like all those other pieces, you guys are just not thinking ahead.

    These things or their offspring, are going to be everywhere.

    1. Sir Runcible Spoon

      Re: So much negativity.

      "These things or their offspring, are going to be everywhere."

      Which is a really good reason to put people off them now before they take a hold imo.

      1. James Hughes 1

        Re: So much negativity.

        Why put people off? I can see so many applications for instant data lookup, AR, recording whilst driving in case of accident etc (note, not using it, just recording).

        All GG does is put in one handy package what most people have in their smartphone, camera etc already.

        1. mmeier

          Re: So much negativity.

          IF it done right that an AR glass with the right add ons (And no - GG is NOT the right one) can be very useful for police work by taking away a lot of the grunt work. I doubt the stuff will fit in a glass, more likely a combination shoulder cam / head display (the shoulder cam IS in test in some police departments). But that could dramatically speed up taking testimony at a traffic accident, doing the base recordings / pictures etc.

          AR in general, again if done right (No device dependency, no 3G needed) can be a nice add on. Why take my computer out of the case if I want to read while on the train? AR projection through a low power PAN in my field of view and maybe voice (or a simple BT "mouse") for minor navigation and be done. AR because I would like to see my surroundings when outside of my home (so VR is out).

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So much negativity.

      I think you are correct sir. I have felt for a long time, that people pointing and laughing at 'glassholes' are missing the point. Yes they look silly now, and possibly have limited functionality, but what about gen 2? Gen 3? Gen n? It's coming, and no amount of mocking is going to stop it. The tide of wearable tech is coming in. Gen 1 mobile phones were pretty silly, after all.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: So much negativity.

        Gen 1 mobile phones had the advantage that you could use them as a weapon to kill or disable anyone who tried to steal them from you. Whack them with the big bit, tie them up with the cord, call the police.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: So much negativity.

      Umbrellas, bicycles, skateboards, all resulted in early adopters laughing at them. Some clothes were regarded as scandalous when they first appeared - respectable women at first regarded knickers as only suitable for prostitutes, and bikinis were regarded as a passing fad. Men in 17th century London wore high heels (height is an advantage in sword fighting), and today there are still British Army regiments that seem to compete for the silliest hat award.

      And whoever thought that walking around wearing headphones would ever be socially acceptable?

      So no, the big battalions are ranged against the people who object to GG because it looks silly.

      1. Sir Runcible Spoon

        Re: So much negativity.

        "So no, the big battalions are ranged against the people who object to GG because it looks silly."

        I don't object to them because they look silly, I object to them because they are insidious.

      2. John H Woods Silver badge

        Re: So much negativity.

        ... reminds me of the (probably apocryphal) story of John Heatherington's Top Hat:

        "[he] appeared on the public highway wearing upon his head what he called a silk hat (which was shiny lustre and calculated to frighten timid people)" and the officers of the Crown stated that "several women fainted at the unusual sight, while children screamed, dogs yelped and a younger son of Cordwainer Thomas was thrown down by the crowd which collected and had his right arm broken"

        --- Hatters' Gazette 1797

        *NB: John Heatherington did not invent the Top Hat, and this story probably isn't true, even though that fact and this story was reported on QI.

  18. jnffarrell1

    The Glass you see will not be the Glass Policemen will Wear

    Moore-ons, those who don't understand Moore's Law, also don't understand that 4x more sensors will soon be hanging from the headbands of those willing to pay more to have 'eyes in the back of their heads' so to speak. Moore-over, ubiquetous 802.11ac in public spaces will put a trial ready chain of evidence in the Prosecutor's Office within a millisecond. Further-Moore, headmounted nano chemistry labs are nearing feasibility.

    Nature eliminated most of the progeny of animals that mounted their peripheral awareness capabilities away from their heads. Evolution takes several generations so watch for the word Glasshole and its user to die out gradually. Ngram it if you can.

  19. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Your own fault

    Tards posting photos of themselves to farsebook and tagging them, when will the adnetwork ask thier tards to upload finger prints and dna?

  20. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Robo-steckler: Nothing can go wrong!

    But .... what if the glass identifies the cop himself as the criminal (that is, before he has had the time to clear the perp database)?

  21. Peter Clarke 1

    Obligatory Robocop quote

    Who care if it works? Think of the spares and maintenance contracts!

    Never a truer word spoken by Dick Jones, VP Omni Consumer Products

  22. cs94njw

    This story is a myth. You're not allowed to drive and wear Google Glasses.

    Those angry police people on the west coast said so...

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    One request

    Please force them to use Segways as well. That would be so hilarious.

  24. The Grump

    But do they help with IFF (Identify Friend / Foe) gun targeting ?

  25. Mark 85
    Unhappy

    I really think someone has watched too many Science Fiction movies..

    Ok.. maybe not real Science Fiction but Sci-Fi.

    1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge

      Re: I really think someone has watched too many Science Fiction movies..

      You know that the "wrong" kind of journalism today is seen as high treason against the state in western "duhmocracies"?

      WE ARE THERE.

      Adding the sinistro-tech is just bling.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I really think someone has watched too many Science Fiction movies..

      Copnado?

  26. Sander van der Wal
    Angel

    Electronic warfare in 10, 9, 8, 7, ....

    There is surely some way for criminals to saturate their local wifi environment, so that there won't be enough bandwidth for the cops to download data quickly enough.

    Or listening for thoses Glasses' MAC address being broadcast. Should be a good way to check for the undercover ones too.

  27. Herby

    Reciprocal Recording?

    If anyone is allowed to record what you do (like the police), it should be automatic that you can record them as well with no consequences. It should apply to all forms of recording, both audio and video. So when they announce on a phone call that they are recording for "training purposes", it is implied that you can record the conversation as well.

    The same should apply to video recording in whatever form.

    So what is good for the goose, is good for the gander.

    As for RoboCop, they just released a new version of the movie (or can Hollywood come up with anything different?).

    1. Chris G

      Re: Reciprocal Recording?

      The large majority of drivers in Russia, particularly in the larger towns and cities all have dash cams facing fore and aft. Partly it is for insurance purposes as there are a lot of people who will slam on their anchors in the hopes of a large insurance settlement after you have arse ended them. The other reason is that if you are confronted by cops on the road in Russia they are the ones most likely to rob you by charging you with a fake crime/traffic violation and then allowing you to bribe your way out of it.

      After hearing my wife who is Russian telling me about it, I am considering fitting cams in my old Disco as the driving where I live is appalling.

      With something like 35000 cops in New York there are going to be a lot of Glassholes on the street.

      1. cyrus

        Re: Reciprocal Recording?

        There are already a lot of Glassholes on the street here. The cops will only add to the mess.

  28. Roj Blake Silver badge

    Faulty Camera?

    Will they be using the special version of Glass that has a camera that mysteriously turns itself off during incidents where police brutality will later be alleged?

  29. JDX Gold badge

    Decent idea

    Maybe it'll be useful, maybe it won't, but this is one totally valid use case for Glass or similar tech and trying it out is a sensible idea.

  30. Simon Harris
    Terminator

    Just like the Terminator can analyse prospective Sarah Connors with a mere glance...

    But didn't TheTerminator kill some wrong Sarah Connors and the right Sarah Connor's flatmate before tracking down the right person?

    Maybe not the most optimistic comparison to make for a police force!

    1. mmeier

      Re: Just like the Terminator can analyse prospective Sarah Connors with a mere glance...

      IIRC he had a name and a city not a picture. So he simply went down the "Sarah Connors" in the telephone book, knocked and asked "Are you Sarah Connor"...

      Since that time I always answer "No" if asked "Are you Max Mustermann"

      Oh and "He is Spartakus!" (Pointing to Kirk Douglas)

  31. james 68

    30 shades of nsa

    really? nobody picked up on this lovely little snippet?

    "....suspects and OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC FOR REVIEW LATER."

    but besides the orwellian nature of that somewhat scarey thought, whats to stop someone getting a UV QR code facial tattoo that causes glass to open a large 3d vr text layer covering said face stating something like "F@ck off you nosey b@st@rd"? or causes glass to download and run malware? would be invisible under normal circumstances (except under black light) but the camera on google glass would see it and process it just fine.

    1. no-one in particular

      Re: 30 shades of nsa

      > whats to stop ... QR code ... that causes glass to open ...

      > or causes glass to download and run malware?

      Stopped by the request to open the URL? Or do you have your devices set to automatically open every URL in every QR code in sight without any user intervention?

  32. Robert E A Harvey

    'ang on.

    >it could be very beneficial for a cop on patrol who walks into a building

    If policemen are walking into buildings, particularly ones as large as they have in New York, then they certainly need glasses. Prescription, rather than electronic, probably.

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