DJANGO UNCHAINED: Don't let 'preview' apps put you off Fedora 20

Django Rheinhart

just thought I'd mention an old colleague worthy of the name - he used to two finger type at close on 60wpm.

Not tried the devassistant - but then there are IDE's that cover that already.

Played with Gnome3.10 and Cinnamon.

Still not convinced all the desktop developments are of any more than style over substance.

"a decent upgrade for Fedora fans"

Which is good, as they don't have much choice in the matter - each Fedora release is orphaned 13-15 months after it comes out. Upgrade or die.

"If you're a fan of GNOME 3 and the GNOME Shell"

I stopped right there. It's probably a bit unfair, as Gnome probably evolved quite a bit since I used it and came to the conclusion that it is a steaming pile of shit, but there you have it. And I tried to like it, too. My conclusion was that it missed a lot of the integration, bells and whistles that KDE had, for roughly the same pharaonic ressource consumption. Gnome also had a bizarre fixation on using an arcane, not text-editor-friendly config system which made it a PITA to maintain. After a few years of trying, I switched all my graphical, luser-friendly machines to XFCE.

KDE installed!

Now if I only could get friendly with the mysterious DBus.

I don't do much UI programming, all python servers for me at the moment, but if you write GUI applications for Linux, do you need to code around/for a selection of window managers and widget toolkits, or does the underlying x toolkit provide enough nowadays?

(Of course the same question could fairly be asked of Windows: Winforms, xaml, silverlight, MFC, native user/gdi/dwm, TIFKAM, and the fact that every windows application ships with its own scrollbar style, etc...)

I hope Fedora/Redhat pays attention to how many people use GNOME vs Cinnamon

I hope anyone who installs Cinnamon makes sure to send in that installation report!

When they see how few people want to use GNOME any more, they'll finally drop it as the default desktop and the GNOME project leadership might be replaced by people who aren't absolute drooling morons.

I wonder when (if actually) we'll get the Catalyst fglrx kmod or akmod for Fedora 20 from RPMfusion. AMD's binary doesn't work well without them. But yeah, I'm still stuck running the Fedora 19 kernel mods since the update to Fedora 20 shipped the same kernel as 19's as of last week, but dnf and yum wont allow me to update my kernel, and there's a new one waiting actually, unless and until there are new kernel mods, or I switch back to the radeon driver, which I really don't want to do as OpenGL really ran like shit the last time I used the FLOSS driver last year. I'm not switching distros, but Jesus Hotel Christ its really annoying to have to do this. Reminds me of fighting with Third Party drivers on Windows 2000 and XP prior to SP1, and how much I hated it.

But hey, that's Fedora, make an upgrade and introduce 50 new bugs and a shitload of regressions while solving two. And no, that's not me hating on Fedora, its just how it is when you're a commercial product's disavowable guinea pig.

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Most of the commentards just react to keywords in the article. Oh, GNOME3 was mentioned - so let's discuss GNOME3 and its dumbed down GUI...

I have an Arch install at home and Debian Wheezy at work. Arch works extremely fast - it's GUI reacts almost as fast as old Windows XP. Same GTK apps at my office, where I have Debian installed, work noticeably slow, probably due to buddy opensource radeon drivers in conjunction with GTK 3.4 - I physically feel how "lightweight" gedit redraws the text area. (I ended up using KDE software and Oracle-built Java - somehow it works faster). Why am I telling you this? Because I have tried different distros in search of better speed/simplicity ratio, I just don't want to spend another 20 hours to configure perfect Arch install.

I have tried several ditstros, Fedora 20 among them. Fedora 20 works fast and responsive, has almost last kernel (3.11), works extremely snappy - I have installed Fedora 20 XFCE on my son's laptop which has SINGLE CORE cpu + AMD Gpu and it works *considerably faster* than Debian wheezy XFCE on my quad-core, 4 GB ram Debian at office!

So the bottom line, for ones that made it here, is: try Fedora 20, it's modern, it has latest and _fastest_ version of FOSS packages, it installs in minutes and it feels really snappy.

Liveblogging "At the Fedoras of Madness"

Oh man. Clearly the FAT DEATH has moved from the Java Enterprise "Community" to the lowly sysconfig world.

Not enough with DBus and NetworkManager, now I need to fight another bubbling servitor monstrosity from the nethermost abysses of integrated functionality, which should forever have been kept away from seeing the light of day:

The systemd fallacy

And this is the first thermos of coffee for today....