A post-Snowden US had better not SQUEAL about Chinese cyber-spying

Dear Marinetard

There is a world of difference between spying and mass surveillance. Not everyone is happy to live in your glorious STASI land.

While they are at it

Before demanding that Russia extradite Snowden, perhaps USA would tell the Russians why it did not send Russian "traitors" as criminals back to Russia.

While on about terrorism they could explain their IRA policy via a vis that great ally, England or even apologise and extradite the remaining terrorists/criminals.

It's rather like saying...

The World Trade Towers were just two buildings- get over it.

Oh but that would require the United States to understand hypocrisy... something they've failed to do since the birth of their nation.

I'm not holding out much hope.

one rule for all, except me

Well, you can rest assured that the US will complain about Chinese spying. Because let's face it, the US are more of a do-what-I-say rather than a do-what-I-do kind of country.

Hey, no worries!

Some governments spy on their friends, some individuals plant webcams in the neighbours' kids' bedroom and bathroom - get over it. It's all perfectly normal and above board.

Boring slides

I hope the presentation was as fascinating as the topic deserves. I found the slides rather boring, however - except one that I found curious.

I wonder what the context of slide 24 was. The slide title says, "Official Statement of Russian Federation Regarding Internet Policy". The only remotely related sentence in the slide is what looks like a headline from a western newspaper. There are two screenshots of what looks like Twitter feeds. On the left we see an apparently genuine account of "President of Russia," in English (nothing on Internet policy, though). On the right is an obviously fake but seemingly *much* more popular Russian-language account. It is obviously fake - multiple (intentional with a hint of crudeness) typos including the account name ("Persident Roissi") and handle ("KermlinRussia"), tweets include informal slang that a government source would hardly use, and the contents certainly do not look appropriate for Presidential communications (I am fluent in Russian).

Without attending the presentation, it sure looks like Lt.-Col. Hagestad did not do his homework while preparing the slides - inexcusable for a "leading expert", IMHO

"China is becoming an economic powerhouse and its strategy of stealing intellectual property is contributing to this,"

I wonder what country gave them that idea?

Strange Game

What I don't understand is that the power grabbers spend thier entire lives trying to control people, and for what? It's all gone once they're dead, and they missed out on the chance to have a fun time.

There is a difference...

...between scrutinizing cyber activity for security reasons and hacking enterprise to steal intellectual property. Perhaps the details are too complicated for the masses of sheeple to comprehend?

China will win (For a hundred years at least).

They say it is for security reasons but in reality it is so any kind of diplomatic discussion is like a game of poker where they alone can see everyone else's cards.

They lied that any of the stuff ever existed so there is no reason whatsoever to believe that they are not also lying about this.

US will continue to complain... why wouldn't they?

Since absolutely nothing has actually come from US complaints about China, etc spying. I've always thought of it as purely a public way of saying "hey guys you need to be better at spying because it's way too obvious to us. We know you are going to be spying on us, but when you get caught so obviously we are going to publicly shame you for being so lame".

Seriously does anybody think that if you found another country spying on you, that you would intentionally keep it secret (other than in a Churchill keep it quiet that we broke the codes way)?

While the stuff about Huawei seems to be related to spying, haven't most of the complaints from the US in regards to China been about cyber-attacks rather than spying?

Deflection

If you wanted to justify additional funding for your agency, and deflect attention from your own activities, it would be convenient to nurture, even talk-up, the impression that a rogue foreign power was responsible for a significant proportion of digital eaves-dropping which was in fact largely due to your own crafted activities.

Oh for pity's sakes call a spade a spade. A major part of what the ignorant - such as Kerry - call "terrorism" is more accurately called "pterorism", acts of pteror committed by pterorists, descendents of pterodactyls, that cause pteror to bureaucrats - acts such as camping in a public park as a form of protest, acts such as sitting in a public place and getting pepper-sprayed by some dork of a plod.

Reading the salacious emails of some desperate housewife to her squeeze helps in combating pteror much as putting condoms on crocodiles in Kakadu National Park, Northern Territory, prevents shark attacks in Death Valley, Nevada.