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It generally takes a decent-sized particle accelerator to produce antimatter, but a team of physicists working at the University of Michigan says they've developed a table-top system that can create short bursts of positrons – anti-electrons. Their metre-long device creates electron-positron pairs by firing a petawatt laser at …

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  1. Chemist

    "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

    Oh, good grief!

    The size of the bang depends entirely on how much anti-matter you have. Given it takes an inordinate amount of energy to generate a miniscule amount of antimatter then getting even a decent size 'pop' will probably bankrupt us.

    1. lglethal Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

      Sense of humour fail...

      Please recalibrate your satire meter and try again...

      1. Denarius
        Thumb Up

        Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

        Indeed sir. Perhaps whimsy sensors also. Kudos to ElReg for the Marvin the Martian reference. One of the funniest cartoons ever.

    2. Thomas 4

      Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

      Or to put this another way, an antimatter reactor is unlikely to be feasible in the near future. =(

      1. Alan Watson

        Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

        Given that it takes a lot more energy to make the antimatter than you get out of it annihilating, you're not likely to see an antimatter reactor ever.

        If you have unlimited energy to spare, antimatter could make a very intense energy _store_, but it will never be an energy _source_. Coal and uranium work for that purpose because you can just dig them out of the ground - if you had to make them yourself first it would be a different story ;)

        1. Gordon 10
          Coat

          Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

          @Alan

          Not sure your analogy stands up. According to the article there are naturally occuring sources of antimatter - all we have to do is build an interstellar starship to collect them and hey presto! Antimatter Reactor.

          1. Chemist

            Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

            "all we have to do is build an interstellar starship"

            Oh, is that all. Driven by ?

            1. The Serpent

              Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

              I refer you to the post made by the right honourable commentard some moments ago (on Wednesday 26th June 2013 08:03 GMT to be precise)

            2. Bob Merkin
              Mushroom

              Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

              "Oh, is that all. Driven by ?"

              Antimatter. Duh.

            3. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

              It's okay, using nothing more than a simple time machine we can fuel the first interstellar starship with the antimatter it brings back in the future.

          2. Wzrd1 Silver badge

            Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

            "all we have to do is build an interstellar starship"

            Why bother? Just stop off at Jupiter and capture what is stuck in its magnetic fields. One could do it in Earth orbit too, but Jupiter has a much stronger and larger field, hence captures more.

    3. Evil Auditor Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

      Chemist, so what you are saying is, disappointingly, that I cannot nullify my boss?

      1. Alan Watson

        Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

        The laser itself would do a pretty good job of that...

        1. Great Bu

          Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

          No news on a shark head mountable version yet then ?

        2. Chemist

          Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

          "The laser itself would do a pretty good job of that..."

          It's only 20J per pulse so the 'owners' say that it would give you a nasty burn which would likely make you jump out of the way of the next pulse.

    4. Tom 13
      Devil

      Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

      But we want to be able to make an earth-shattering kaboom!

    5. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: "doesn't actually risk the earth-shattering kaboom of a matter-antimatter annihilation."

      True enough, indeed, that Teflon seems to have fared quite well. :)

      Still, it'd be really handy to physicists if they could generate a gram of positrons and store them safely.

      Safely, as unsafely would rather render their building unusable.

  2. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
    Headmaster

    > relatavistic

    relativistic!

    1. John H Woods Silver badge

      Relatavistic

      - is this a throwback to earlier spelling mistakes?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Talk about non stick ..

    I knew Teflon was good, but preventing matter-antimatter annihilation ? Wow !

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Nobody talked about the Bremsstrahlung. Nobody ever talks about the Bremsstrahlung.

      Teflon is great for preventing annihilation. You just get irradiated instead.

      1. Destroy All Monsters Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Nobody talked about the Bremsstrahlung. Nobody ever talks about the Bremsstrahlung.

        No Bremsstrahlung today. Bremsstrahlung tomorrow. There is always Bremsstrahlung tomorrow.

    2. GitMeMyShootinIrons

      Re: Talk about non stick ..

      Does this mean Spock or Scotty could build a warp drive from a frying pan?

    3. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Talk about non stick ..

      "I knew Teflon was good, but preventing matter-antimatter annihilation ? "

      Not at all. A bunch of electrons were annihilated and a couple of photons of gamma radiation were released 180 degrees from one another.

      Low enough radiation to be harmless.

      Except with that guy who was next to it and started growing and turning green...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Cool

    Now we have an antimatter source, someone needs to invent dilithium.

    On the flip side it might be possible to use antimatter to catalyse conventional "hot" fusion by supercharging the reaction in a tokamak or more feasibly, a whiffle ball aka Bussard Polywell.

    Any problems with containment could be overcome by operating the fusor in pulsed mode with burn times in the 200ms range rather than continuous like the proposed "light bulb" reactor.

    If this actually works I propose that it be called the "Impulse Drive".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Windows

      Re: Cool

      "tokamak" added to the list of uber cool words....

      1. Yag
        Happy

        Re: Cool

        Meh. Tokamak is too mainstream to be cool anymore!

        I prefer the more ominous "Stellarator"

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Cool

      Whiffle ball? Wasn't that the original name for table tennis, Bojo used to go on about?

    3. Ru
      Boffin

      Re: Cool

      Now we have an antimatter source, someone needs to invent dilithium.

      This is a positron source, not quite as useful as an antiproton source. Given one of those, though, you wouldn't need any dilithium.

      It is possible to make relatively lightweight and quite powerful antimatter-catalysed nuclear pulse engine with equipment we could conceivably build right now... have a look at this stuff, especially "Antiproton-catalyzed microfission/fusion propulsion systems". 30 day trip to Mars, a little over 50% of the ship's total mass needed for reaction mass, and all this with a mere 150 nanograms of antiprotons. I bet CERN could brew that much up in under a year, if they really tried hard.

      All that's lacking is determination. The US could build such a spacecraft and has some domestic particle accellerators to provide the fuel, but I don't see any US government seriously diverting funds from the military to spaceflight any time soon.

      1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

        Re: Cool

        "It is possible to make relatively lightweight and quite powerful antimatter-catalysed nuclear pulse engine ..."

        I seem to recall some theory on meson catalyzed fusion devices as well.

        As for "the US could build such a spacecraft", erm, not quite. Our rockets still occasionally go awry. It would be rather unpleasant if we have a few hundred kilograms of antimatter depart containment inside of the Earth's magnetosphere, let alone atmosphere. Add in the fact that even gram quantities would cost more than the entire US DoD budget, counting black budgets, I don't see that happening (not to mention building so many particle accelerators) not only anytime soon, but ever.

        "Where's the kaboom? There should've been an Earth shattering kaboom!"

        <SRB failure, uncontrolled descent of the spacecraft>

        "Oh, there it is."

        1. Chemist

          Re: Cool

          "rather unpleasant if we have a few hundred kilograms of antimatter depart containment inside of the Earth's magnetosphere"

          It's an antimatter catalyzed process. It's supposed to only require <micrograms of antiprotons

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Coat

    Ré Not really “tabletop” size.

    Come on!! We are talking Americans, have you seen the size of the tables needed to house some of those fat arses??

    Mines the XXXXXXXXXL

    1. thenim
      WTF?

      Re: Ré Not really “tabletop” size.

      Hey, you cannot insult them now, it's a "disability"....

    2. Dazed and Confused

      Re: Ré Not really “tabletop” size.

      So how big does the table need to be to hold the "petawatt laser"?

    3. TeeCee Gold badge
      Coat

      Re: Ré Not really “tabletop” size.

      It's actually iTabletop[1] size.

      [1] Requires additional hardware. Some steps have been omitted and sequences shortened.

    4. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Ré Not really “tabletop” size.

      "We are talking Americans, have you seen the size of the tables needed to house some of those fat arses??"

      Here in the civilized world of the US (OK, occasionally civilized, when not arguing about gun control, religion or politics), we don't sit on our tables. We sit with the table in front of us.

      Hence, the table fails to house anyone.

      It is used to hold food though, such as a full sized 23 pound turkey sandwich... ;)

      And a few three liter bottles of Coke. :/

      <Caveat, I personally don't drink soft drinks, well, not unless there is an ample amount of distilled alcoholic beverage available to decontaminate it.>

  6. K

    Teflon eh?

    "Yes step this way please Mr Ballmer.. your exactly what we need!"

    1. Adrian Jones
      Facepalm

      Re: Teflon eh?

      Just line up behind the queue of people who don't know the difference between your and you're.

      1. hi_robb
        Joke

        Re: Teflon eh?

        People who don't know the difference between your and you're, their very stupid.

        1. Martin Budden Silver badge
          Headmaster

          Re: Teflon eh?

          Grammar: the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit.

    2. Mephistro
      Happy

      Re: Teflon eh?

      If all it takes to save mankind from a nanojoule-scale antimatter explosion is the live of Mr. Ballmer, I'm all for it! The good of many etc. etc.

  7. Rich 11
    Mushroom

    Unlicensed particle accelerators

    "It generally takes a decent-sized particle accelerator to produce antimatter"

    Or a banana. But I suppose it depends on how much useable antimatter you want.

    1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

      Re: Unlicensed particle accelerators

      "Or a banana. But I suppose it depends on how much useable antimatter you want."

      Thought about that one for a moment. Relativistic banana...

      Somehow, my mind drifted to an adult movie with that as a theme.

  8. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Unhappy

    No earth-shattering kaboom?

    But I wanted an earth-shattering kaboom!

    1. VinceH

      Re: No earth-shattering kaboom?

      BOOM!

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: No earth-shattering kaboom?

        Thank you!

  9. AceRimmer1980
    Mushroom

    Unlicenced nuclear accelerator?

    Don't cross the streams!

    1. Crisp

      Re: Unlicenced nuclear accelerator?

      Why worry?

  10. frank ly

    It needs a room sized laser?

    Sigh ... I'll take the sharks back to the training caves.

    1. Narlaquin
      Boffin

      Re: It needs a room sized laser?

      You're going to need a bigger Shark !

      1. Crisp
        Go

        Re: It needs a room sized laser?

        May I suggest: a whale?

        1. Wzrd1 Silver badge

          Re: It needs a room sized laser?

          "May I suggest: a whale?"

          Unfortunately, most large whales are pacifists. Those who aren't are even less pleasant to put a hat onto than a shark is.

  11. MrXavia
    Pint

    Nice!

    I'd like to buy these scientists a beer!

  12. Andy Fletcher

    Next story

    New Zealand police attempt to ban the downloading of anti matter weapons for use with 3d printers

  13. Graham Marsden
    Coat

    Obligatory...

    ... When will these be available to mount on fricken' sharks?

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    No, Mr Bond

    I expect you to die!

  15. Rol

    Mmm..Anti Gravity, Higgs and Magnets

    Reading the article and its mention of the jets that fire out of a black hole's poles got me thinking.

    If a lab on Earth using magnets can so easily divert the course of these jets, what is going on at the black hole, which seems to have no influence on the jets, when all else including light is trapped for eternity.

    Well, without an Higgs particle, the jets are no longer influenced by gravity, or with an anti Higgs particle they will race away.

    I'm ready for an education, if anyone is up to the challenge.

    1. Brewster's Angle Grinder Silver badge

      Re: Mmm..Anti Gravity, Higgs and Magnets

      It's the magnetic fields around the black hole that create the jets. And magnetic fields are themselves "made" of "light" - so are slowly sucked into the black hole. Which in turn means black holes could be "magnets" themselves (unlikely in practice though).

    2. Bluewhelk
      Boffin

      Re: Mmm..Anti Gravity, Higgs and Magnets

      It's really hard to get things to fall into a black hole. Basically if you chuck a rock at a black hole it'll end up orbiting around the hole unless you are very accurate, things in space really like to go into orbits around each other. In order to get to a lower orbit you need to 'lose' some energy and for a black hole that means a LOT of energy.

      For an active black hole you end up with a rotating disc of matter, mostly in the form of super-heated plasma. This creates magnetic fields which also get twisted up as the whole lot rotates around, these then funnel the highest energy particles (the hottest and fastest) towards the 'poles' and then out along two beams or jets. Sort of opposite to the earth where solar wind particles are funnelled in at the poles.

      This effect along with emitted photons in the form of infra-red, light, X-rays and so on robs the system of some energy allowing the slowest particles to get in a bit closer and eventually disappear beyond the event horizon.

      The main point here is the particles in the jets are escaping BEFORE they get to the event horizon, the higgs boson is not required. Indeed by having mass and high velocity they take a nice lot of energy with them as they go.

      Phew!

      1. Intractable Potsherd
        Pint

        Re: Mmm..Anti Gravity, Higgs and Magnets @ Bluewhelk

        Thank you for that example of how a good teacher can make complex ideas understandable.

        <--- Have a drink - you deserve it!

      2. Rol

        Re: Mmm..Anti Gravity, Higgs and Magnets

        Thank you for that brilliant explanation Bluewhelk.

        Based on the comments on this site I guess I could take a degree with the wealth of knowledge that is so readily on tap and freely available.

        Yes have a beer.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Mushroom

    γ rays? γ not?

    which country is the "exit" hole pointed towards?

  17. Schultz

    Tabletop my ass.

    And the footnote just shows that you know better. A petawatt laser is a soccer-field sized hall of equipment inside a shielding bunker that resembles a nuclear plant. How about 'Ginormous laser makes a little bit of antimatter'?

  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Re. RE. It needs a "room sized" laser

    Lets hope that Moore's Law applies to nuclear physics as well as semiconductors.

    So by say April 4th, 2063 the technology for a portable antimatter generator ought to fit nicely into say a Minuteman missile upper stage, along with the solar panels (for broadcast power) and superconducting warp nacelles.

    Shame I'll be like 89 by then

    Really long Kickstarter anyone? (g)

    AC/DC 6EQUJ5

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