Teachers cower in face of cyberbullies

Careful who you bully.

Some of us have sufficient knowledge to make cyberbullies *very* sorry for themselves.

Pick on my kids at your peril.

er...

They couldn't handle old-school (no pun intended) bullying when it was happening - why is it such a suprise they can't handle it in a more evolved form?

Re er...

There were two kinds of teachers when I was at school. Those you were scared of, and respected, and those you weren't scared of, and pissed about.

Unfortunately, thanks to the fluffy-bunny PC liberal brigade, the former are all but extinct in today's schools.

Missing the Point

These people have signed up to give your kids an education. Not take shit from the wee brats. If this sort of crap starts to affect their lives, then the kids involved should be punished severely. I mean its not like the old days when whoopie cushions were put on "sir's" chair. Happy slapping and knives are in schools these days.

A good few teachers live in the same community as these wee shits. Teachers lost the right to maintain order in the classroom due to the fear of [the school] being sued by ambulance chasing parents, now the kids have open season. I accept that some teachers are c**ts. But so are some IT employees and cops and doctors etc etc etc. And anyway. Lets see how many of us can get thirty 15 years olds to learn Shakespeare at one time....

@ Chris Williams

Actually, Chris, I'm more worried about the latter (The PC Liberal thought police). Way too much power given to people with way too small minds.

T & C of ISP/Phone

Hmm standard terms and conditions of use for a mobile phone

This is from Orange but I am sure that they are all the same

" not use the Services for any improper, immoral, fraudulent or unlawful purposes or for the sending of any communication or storing any data which is of an offensive, abusive, indecent, obscene or menacing nature" and

"not cause, nor knowingly allow others to cause, any nuisance, annoyance or inconvenience, whether to us or to any of our customers, by any means including the use of the Network for persistently sending unsolicited communications without reasonable cause"

So, why aren't people if they get these messages contacting there mobile phone company and getting Little johnny's mobile phone banned. I know these phones aren't contract phones but having to change your mobile phone number every time will soon get boring.

Paris Hilton chosen since she hasn't read the T & C of anything

Re:Missing the Point

"Lets see how many of us can get thirty 15 years olds to learn Shakespeare at one time...."

The problem isn't in getting all 30 to learn, Its in providing an environment such that those that *want* to lean can do so without their education being fucked up by those that want to piss around.

Oh French

Its wasn't bully as such at school i remember, but we where just all brats so badly our french teacher ended up in the la-la bin....

It's pathetic

Time used to be a teacher was (like a policeman) a feared and/or respected authority figure. You didn't piss them off because you absolutely didn't want to live with the consequences. Now the liberal left has convinced everyone that authority doesn't need to be authoritarian (except when dealing with motorists or people who don't agree with the options of the PC left, it would appear) and nobody has any respect for authority any more. Kids harass teachers and get get away with it as it cannot be "proven". People fight with coppers, loose and sue.

It's all down to Lawyers. The only reason the police are so lighthanded is they're worried about being sued. Ditto teachers. Before this country because the american-style lawywerfest it is today Authority still existed. And, quell Suprise it all happened under a lawyer who was married to a lawyer....

It -is- pathetic

>>Time used to be a teacher was (like a policeman) a feared and/or respected authority figure

Actually, no that's because they bullied the kids. I still have injuries from teachers that have me limping on bad days. Broken bones, smashed teeth, and worse have happened to classmates in various boarding schools I attended as a youth.

>>Authority still existed

Indeed. You got a fat lip, or a broken arm for giggling in class, or not doing your homework right. Woe betide you if your attire was not fully perfect.

Yes, terrible things those lawyers..

nobody cared

oh how I wish we had the internet back in the early 80s when I was a kid, the bullies would have had their faces, names, phone numbers & addresses plastered all over the sites your mother warned you about

and the ignorant, blind, closed-minded, un-caring, pathetic teachers who never helped me would have gotten the same treatment

it felt like nobody cared because nothing was done about the day-to-day bullying I was getting even though I told parents & teachers - fucking Steiner schools, glad I eventually went to a 'normal' comprehensive school, the bullying wasn't so bad there...

Re: Grow up

"They're only wasted electrons..."

What a spectacularly enigmatic comment.

So, an atom walks into a bar, looking sad. "What's the matter, buddy?" asks the bartender.

"I lost an electron."

"Are you sure?"

"I'm positive!"

It starts very young...

My Missus is training to be a qualified nursery assistant and they learn very early on that you cannot discipline in anyway, you must "encourage" children to not be little scumbags. My Missus and her colleagues are sometimes called a c**ts and told to f**k o** by children as young as 3 and 4 years old. Nothing they can do other than ask the child to calm down then try to stop other children from picking up on the language.

Now these little shits have hardly spent any time at school, so there is only place it can come from, yep the parents who have no respect for each other, the kids pick up on it from birth and bring it to school when they start.

Given that what chance do teachers stand taking on a class of cocky 14-15 years olds with access to the latest technology as another tool in the arsenal? The phrase "hell in a hand basket" spring to mind.

RE: some posts above this one somewhere

>> "There were two kinds of teachers when I was at school. Those you were scared of, and respected, and those you weren't scared of, and pissed about.

Unfortunately, thanks to the fluffy-bunny PC liberal brigade, the former are all but extinct in today's schools."

I agree with this partly, one of my favourite teachers (whom is one of the only ones I am in touch with today) kept a calm jokey atmosphere 95% of the time and always used to hit me on the arm if I was messing about or being stupid and tip all my stuff out of my pencil case on the desk/floor. It was all in jest and it kept me and the others quiet when need be, one of the skills a teacher needs to have is to be able to use the social dynamic of a class to calm them. Because I liked the teacher and was confident in myself it didn't affect me at all.

But then teachers needn't be physical either my other favourite teacher had complete control of every class he took, it was also a calm jokey atmosphere 95% of the time but when he wanted quiet he got it. It may seem harsh at first but a new teacher to a class needs to ask for quiet maybe twice or three times and then when they don't get it SNAP at whoever is the centre of the disturbances and hand out harsh punishment, a detention or whatever the school has available. After a few repeats of this the pupils get the message that there is no negotiation and what the teacher says goes. The pupils will hate the teacher for a few weeks but then are able to settle into the lessons and a light hearted atmosphere forms because the pupils know the boundaries and won't cross them, although sometimes a reminder is needed.

>> "And schools that are "inclusion" schools (who on earth thinks inclusion is always a good idea?) are worse, because there is a financial incentive on the school not to permanently exclude any pupils.

Although you have a point, when I moved from the state sector to the independent sector (at GCSE level) I found, much to my disappointment at the time, that it had a much better atmosphere and more effective punishments. This is probably down to smaller class sizes.

As for excluding pupils, the schools have a massive reputation to uphold and don't blink twice when contemplating suspensions and expulsions. Although when expelling someone the school usually sent a letter to the childs parents saying something like "we advise you to remove the child from our school before we do it for you and it goes on his record and we keep your money"