back to article Fred Flintstone may not have been real but his pet Dino WAS - boffins

Scientists believe they have found the world's oldest dinosaur after fully analysing a fossil unearthed 80 years ago. The ten-foot-long dorky-looking Nyasasaurus parringtoni scuttled over the Earth 10 to 15 million years earlier than the previously oldest known dinosaurs, palaeontologists claimed in an article published in the …

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  1. Chemist

    No wonder they died out

    If they behaved like real Labradors they would have eaten everything

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      How dare you

      How dare you say Fred Flintstone is not real!

      They made a film about him, therefore it must be true.

      Larry Redneck

      State History Institute

      Alabama

  2. Code Monkey

    Bad dinoboffins!

    It's not purple, has no collar. It's nothing like Dino.

    1. John H Woods Silver badge

      Re: Bad dinoboffins!

      @code monkey - who's to say it wasn't purple?

      1. Code Monkey

        Re: Bad dinoboffins!

        The artist that did the impression is making a huge claim for non-purpleness.

        1. Steve Knox
          Black Helicopters

          Re: Bad dinoboffins!

          He omitted the purple and the collar to avoid licensing fees from Warner Studios...

          1. Code Monkey

            Re: Bad dinoboffins!

            Good point. That also explains the lack of cars-with-no-floors-in-so-Fred-or-Barney-can-scoot-them-along-with-their-feet in the picture.

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Bad dinoboffins!

              Not true. I once had a Mini with no or little floor, and it had no licence terms from any film studio. Whether or not it had an MOT is debatable......

              I really had to avoid those big puddles........

              1. P. Lee
                FAIL

                Re: Bad dinoboffins!

                > I once had a Mini with no or little floor,

                I had a Marina with the same feature. Note to self: Do not drive through puddles on the way to an interview.

              2. Colin Millar

                Re: Bad dinoboffins!

                What? - you seem to be suggesting that some Minis had floors?

                I thought that was just part of the cardboard packaging that they came in which the dealers didn't remove and dissolved in the first light shower.

                As for Marinas - didn't the whole car just get made out of old rusty buckets?

  3. Colin Wilson 2

    The world's oldest dinosaur?

    The leaf-munching dinosaurs in the picture's background look even older

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Non-dinosaurs in the background

      I think those are suppose to be therapsids, a lineage more closely related to mammals than to dinosaurs. If it weren't for the Permian and Triassic extinctions, mammals may have become dominant over the dinosaurs, and primate-like creatures would be roaming the galaxy in starships a hundred million years ago.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Non-dinosaurs in the background

        'I think those are suppose to be therapsids,'

        I think they're actually rhynchosaurs which are more closely related to crocodiles, snakes and turtles than to dinosaurs.

        One of the way of retaining a tiny amount of respect with the kids at the museum is being able to distinguish dinosaurs from all the other reptiles and mammal-like reptiles of the Triassic. Dinosaur legs were tucked under the body rather than being splayed out to the side.

  4. Silverburn
    Boffin

    A bit of a stretch..

    one upper arm bone and six vertebrae

    ...and from this they worked out the total morphology? Good effort. Bit skeptical myself.

    1. Will Godfrey Silver badge

      Re: A bit of a stretch..

      My thoughts exactly!

    2. Grikath
      Boffin

      Re: A bit of a stretch..

      Size is pretty easy, really. There isn't that much variation in the number of vertebrae in particular body regions amongst *all* terrestrial vertebrates, especially within a phylum, so the basic shape and size of any vertebrae that you find gives a pretty good indication of the overal size of the main body of the fossil critter. Neck and tail tend to be in proportion to the main body, so you can make a good guesstimate there as well.

      The upper arm bone tells you about articulation of the upper limb, so you can generally determine whether the fossil critter was four- or two-legged. Pelvis is better, but upper arm bone works, as the physics of locomotion are pretty fixed and unforgiving.

      So size and locomotion can be inferred from just a couple of bones, within reason. The artists' impression is...just that..

      1. Steve the Cynic

        Re: A bit of a stretch..

        "There isn't that much variation in the number of vertebrae in particular body regions amongst *all* terrestrial vertebrates"

        Well, not quite. The vertebrate neck is highly variable. Standard mammal skeletal structure gives seven bones in the neck, whether for dogs, humans, or even giraffes. Swans, by contrast, have over twenty bones in their necks.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: A bit of a stretch..

      And for godknows how many years the British displayed the wrong skull on a skeleton so not to upset the "Elite" who found the first incomplete one as he was such a noted person.

      so "impression" is just someones imagination.

      http://voices.yahoo.com/everything-know-brontosaurus-wrong-4766008.html

    4. P. Lee
      Trollface

      Re: A bit of a stretch..

      Or it could have been a genetic abnormality which killed it early, as gigantism in humans can do. Or from two or more animals. Perhaps it was a skink-like thing, but with 12 legs. It could have looked more like a kangaroo or it could have been a water's edge dweller with tiny legs which didn't need to support its weight.

      Perhaps I'm cynical, but the whole "artist's impression" thing appears to be designed to give more credence to discovery than is actually warranted. There should be a law which states that for all discoveries, there must also be an outline diagram showing the whole animal (as imagined) and a coloured bit showing what was actually found. That diagram should be shown next to any artist's impression.

      Why is it that all "early human" discoveries are drawn/modeled to look a lot like an ape and all "ancient (non-human) primates" look like people? All the "unknown features" (hair, facial expressions etc) are the done to look like the opposite of the evidence we have for those features.

      Back to the discovery:

      Sarah Werning says: “It’s a very good example of a transitional fossil; the bone tissue shows that Nyasasaurus grew about as fast as other primitive dinosaurs, but not as fast as later ones.” (http://www.washington.edu/news/2012/12/04/scientists-find-oldest-dinosaur-or-closest-relative-yet/)

      So a good transitional fossil is just like one thing and not like another? This isn't science, its hype.

  5. Chris Miller

    The Flintstones weren't real?

    Another childhood illusion shattered.

  6. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

    Er, what?

    Fred Flintstone may not have been real

    Excuuuse me ?!?

    And that artist must have been colour blind :)

    1. ItsNotMe
      Thumb Up

      Re: Er, what?

      No problem Fred...we all know you're real.

  7. Frumious Bandersnatch

    what a stupid article title

    What on earth has Fred Flinstone got to do with anything? That headline suggests that (somehow) evidence for dinosaurs and humans not only living together, but of humans domesticating them! Jeez. I'd expect that sort of tripe from some nutjob religious sect--not the Register.

    1. Chris Miller

      Re: what a stupid article title

      Dear FB - it appears your humo(u)r chip is malfunctioning and may require a reset. Have you tried turning yourself off and then back on again?

      1. Frumious Bandersnatch
        Thumb Down

        Re: what a stupid article title

        So a cheap attempt to shoehorn a humorous cultural reference trumps scientific and historical accuracy? Monty Python's Galaxy Song shows that it's possible to be (truly) funny and (mostly) accurate at the same time. This? This wasn't even funny enough to gloss over the inaccuracy, especially considering that there are nutjobs out there who literally believe that we did live alongside dinosaurs at one point. That definitely moves it into "unfunny" territory for me. It's supposed to be a bloody science article, for god's sake, and that headline just turns it into a puff piece.

        1. Steve Knox
          Pint

          Re: what a stupid article title

          Have one or two. Relax.

        2. ItsNotMe
          Alien

          Ahhh...we didn't?

          "...especially considering that there are nutjobs out there who literally believe that we did live alongside dinosaurs at one point."

        3. Vic

          Re: what a stupid article title

          > a cheap attempt to shoehorn a humorous cultural reference trumps scientific and historical accuracy?

          Every time.

          Vic.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    Yes, but have they found...

    Fred Flinstone's old rock quarry dinosaur? They should be looking for a big brontosaurus-sized thing with a little cab harnessed to its back.

  9. DanceMan
    Thumb Up

    Forget Fred

    Give me Alley Oop any day. And the cave women in AO were far cooler.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      IT Angle

      Re: Forget Fred

      I don't know. Betty Rubble was kind of hot!

      1. Rattus Rattus

        Re: Forget Fred

        > "I don't know. Betty Rubble was kind of hot!"

        Well, I would go with Betty... But I'd be thinking of Wilma!

  10. Martin Budden Silver badge
    Headmaster

    SI units!

    What's all this nonsense about "ten-foot-long" and "3ft high"? Hmm? How about 3 metres long and one metre high. Go sit on the naughty step and think very carefully about what you've done.

    1. Fred Flintstone Gold badge

      Re: SI units!

      They should actually be in El Reg units, but I think we need a perma link for them (can't find them at the moment)..

  11. mhenriday
    Happy

    My 3 metre-long labrador

    just won best in show at the local dog show. Helluva time stuffing her in the car, however....

    Henri

  12. ian 22
    Coat

    Age < 6KY?

    What dinosaur would Jesus have kept as a pet?

    Let the flames roar!

    Mine's the one with the Kevlar lining.

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