US expat casts ballot from Vienna, wonders if anyone got it

Secret ballot

cunningly designed by Baldrick who, if I recall correctly once got elected with thousands of votes out of a constituency of one.

@Charles

I have followed the primaries and have struggled to figure out how they actually work. I have discovered several issues that I find slightly undemocratic, and it have made me wonder how can this possibly be legal in a democratic election. The answer is that this isn't really a democratic election as I see it. It is two separate private election within two different organizations, both independent from the government. If I am right about this they can do whatever they want, for instance can they decide that the Florida votes won't count for the democrats this year.

Seems obvious

What to print should be obvious : the unique ID of the vote that has just been cast. That is the only real data that is needed.

With the unique ID, it should be quite easy to trace the vote, find out where it was made and when, and which candidate was voted for. Maybe even the machine it was cast on. If absolutely required, it could probably be traced to who made the vote, but that might be something prohibited by existing law.

In any case, anything other than a unique ID means the system was not properly thought out, and certainly not properly tested.

Frankly, I am appalled that voting systems are still so clearly out of sync with real world requirements.

Then again, they seem to be perfectly in sync with Bush requirements, so I guess that's good enough.

No receipts...

I voted in an election last year by turning up, showing my card, was given a piece of paper which I then marked and dropped in a box.

There's also no receipt and it would be a huge breach of anonimity if it were possible to link my voting paper to my card.

Machines may appear more ephemeral, and so enhance the feeling that nothing was actually done, but in the end you have the same proof.

I voted in O'Neills Pub

I voted in O'Neills Pub Dublin, with a paper ballot.

@mr.K

"The answer is that this isn't really a democratic election as I see it. It is two separate private election within two different organizations, both independent from the government. If I am right about this they can do whatever they want"

You are right, it is a private election by what are essentially private organizations, and therefore they can do whatever they want. However, the problem is -- as mentioned in the article -- that if no large problems are reported, the manufacturer of the system (or even the Democratic Party itself) will pressumably regard this as incontrovertible proof that fully electronic, Internet-based voting is safe and effective, and thus push for its use in real democratic (i.e. governmental) elections.

But you are right, people in the United States tend to forget that primaries are mainly a private contest within an organization to pick their candidate. It's akin to us getting together to form a party and deciding to flip coins or play rock-paper-scissors to nominate our candidate. This is why there are no Federal laws controlling Primary contests (which is good).

-dZ.

@JonB

secret != anonymous

If you voted in an election in the UK your vote can be tied to the stub of the ballot paper, and that stub can be linked to you. It needs a court order to be able to assemble the information to make that link, but it is possible.

@Charles

You overlooked the fact that the Primaries are not government elections. That is why the courts have refused to step in on subjects like Florida's Democratic Party primary not being counted by the Democratic Party. That's also why Internet Voting was allowed in the Democratic Primaries but not the Republican Primaries, and will not be allowed in the Presidential Election, which is a government election.

"Either they're incompetent or it's an empty gesture"

Shouldn't that read "They're incompetent and it's an empty gesture" - we are talking about politicians after all.

@M Burns

If that is the case, then primary elections should be regulated in the same way as government elections.

@Richard Gadsden

"and then the paper is destroyed (normally burnt) in public."

i did not know that

is it done with any kind of ceremony or something? i kinda like the idea, it seems quite an old fashioned way of doing it and it'd be cool to see

Re: No receipts...

My point was really that you personally are left with nothing in either system.

Vote often

Add this bit from the votefromabroad.org site:

Can I vote in my home state, too? U.S. voters living overseas may vote for a presidential candidate in either the Democratic Global Primary or their state primary back home. You may not vote for president in both. (When you receive your state primary ballot, you can vote for all offices other than President, but you must not vote for President on that ballot.)

The state ballot being secret......

@MichaelG

>> "If that is the case, then primary elections should be regulated in the same way as government elections."

You still do not seem to get it. Primary elections are not government elections, and should not be regulated as such. This is because primary elections are private elections by private entities. The Democratic Party is not a government institution, but a private organization and therefore have the right to choose whomever they please as their candidate, in whichever way they deem fit. The same for any other party.

This is a right endowed by the First Ammendment of the U.S. Constitution: the people have the right to peaceful assembly and freedom of speech. As I mentioned in another post this is no different than you getting together with a bunch of friends and deciding to pick your own candidate for President (after all, anybody who fits the requirements can run). The government cannot tell you who to choose for your candidate nor how to choose him; you may want to choose yourself as a candidate (as independent candidates do) and nobody can tell you otherwise as long as you comply with the requirements. A political party is no more than a (possibly large) group of people that organize to choose and support a candidate for an office -- its like a big club.

Sure, some large political parties may have become corrupt during the years, but regulating them is tricky since any law that affects private entities making private decisions will necessarily affect you and I and any individual citizen.

-dZ.

auditing voting

If you go to the verified voting website, you find out that quite a few states in the US still have no paper trail and even more have no mandatory auditing. So indeed the Democrats Abroad are no worse than voting in, say, Texas.

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/

Hopefully random external audits of elections will become an international democratic norm... one of these years!