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Scientists at the US Navy Research Laboratory (NRL) are developing solar cells that can work effectively up to nine meters underwater, powering marine systems for long periods of time. Big data is not just for the boardroom, but for the battlefield as well, and military planners are working on using a lot more stealthy sensors …

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  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sneaky submersibles or even better.. Everlasting torpedoes!

    1. Ian Michael Gumby
      Black Helicopters

      Not quite

      The amount of power used versus amount captured is too great a ratio. Not to mention that the torpedo is a shoot and kill weapon so it will go boom before it runs out of juice.

      As to sneaky subs... They already exist... ;-) they run on nukes.

      Having said that... There are some interesting defensive weapons that could be developed...

  2. Tankboy
    FAIL

    Hmmm....

    Seeing as how useful the United States Naval Submarine Service has been in the last 11+ years of ground conflict, and how successful they have been in thwarting at-sea piracy... I think I can see where there might be some budget cuts in the future...

    1. James 51

      Re: Hmmm....

      When sensors that can run for months or even years without having to be refueled or have their batteries replaced, there could be a swarm of sensors in pirate infested waters letting you know where your ships should be headed.

      1. Allan George Dyer
        Pirate

        Re: Hmmm....

        Great idea, but are the pirates organised enough to use them? Or perhaps they will simply re-purpose the Navy ones...

    2. TheRealRoland

      Re: Hmmm....

      Not sure if there will be cuts.

      It's still the only 'running silent, running deep' weapons deployment platform, for a number of missile / rocket types.

      Therefore it also serves as maybe a bigger deterrent than the aircraft carriers the US uses.

      The submarine might be able to go through the Strait of Hormuz - although I dunno how deep that is. Compare that to the carrier / task force going through. Juicy targets, those ships are...

      But even then - mini subs or even drones going through there undetected, never having to surface only at points of insertion / retrieval?

      And they're 'green'. No nasty 'nucular' fuel rods to deal with afterwards.

      Intelligence-gathering bonanza...

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmmm....

      Or they've been busy converting their subs for launching cruise missiles or for covert insertion of SEAL teams to costal areas...

      I believe they've been making themselves useful recently.

  3. Boris S.

    Drug runners probably already have these

    It's amazing what a lot of money can buy...

  4. Nanki Poo
    Trollface

    It's all lies!

    Doesn't anyone read the Reg!? Solar doesn't work and should be scrapped immediately. It's all heresy I tell you! They should have petrol engines, just more efficient!!!!!!111

    nK

  5. Dave 52

    I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

    In a matter of days, anything that's underwater starts getting over grown with all sorts of sea life, and in months it gets covered. Unless they come up with a way of turning these solar cells completely inhospitable to the stuff that wants to grow on them, then they are wasting their time.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

      Ssssh. The scientists working on this tech probably know full well there might be practical problems in the real world, but meanwhile are happy to do research while funded. Reminds me of the LASER research in the 90s (late 80s?) where the scientists involved knew full well what they were being asked for was probably impossible or impractical, but were receiving massive *weapons* funding anyways. Afaik, the project produces a lot of material mostly of use to chip manufacturing. Its seems that now too, it may have contributed to the 'flying laser' weapons too.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

      Industry is developing ever-more-effective (and potentially environmentally-nasty) coatings to keep objects clear of marine growths.

      "At present the standard antifouling coating for the US Navy consists of cuprous oxide dispersed in a mixture of natural rosin and a vinyl chloride vinyl acetate copolymer. This coating has a service life of at best 12-18 months. It is not clear how long the use of toxic antifouling coatings will be permitted to continue for the accumulation of copper and tin in the environment has already reached high levels and is becoming a burden."

      Research study here: http://www2.dupont.com/Teflon_Industrial/en_US/products/product_by_name/zonyl_ptfe/zonyl_techinfo_antifouling.html

      1. Graham Bartlett

        Re: I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

        Except it also needs to be transparent for the solar cell to work. This is a bit of a bugger when all antifouling works on the basis of a thick emulsion of toxic gunk.

    3. auburnman

      Re: I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

      There's already an anti-crap coating you can paint on seabound stuff. Search on Wired.com for the solar powered drone that's trying to cross an ocean (and doing a fair job of it.)

      1. auburnman
        Headmaster

        Pedantic self correcting update with link: The motion on the robot glider is actually wave powered - the solar cells run equipment on the drone.

        http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/05/wave-glider-crosses-pacific/all/1

      2. Evil Auditor Silver badge

        Re: I wonder how many of the engineers developing this tech have actually spent time on the water

        you'll need a hugely effective anti-crap coating if a blue whale decides to poo on those solar cells...

  6. jungle_jim
    Trollface

    windscreen wiper

    solar powered

  7. Chazmon
    Coat

    Can they not just train existing solar cells to hold thei breath?

    mines the orange ocean survival suit

  8. Paul Smith
    FAIL

    Is it me?

    Am I being really dumb in thinking that there is a source of energy that is much more plentiful, and much easier to extract than solar, and it is not dependent on whether you are .9, 9, or 90 meters below the surface. The kenetic energy of the water itself?

    1. seven of five

      Re: Is it me?

      Tapping kinetic energy generates noise, this is generally undesirable.

    2. Ru

      Re: Is it me?

      Devices designed to extract wave motion need to have a component on the surface, and are dependent on the durability of their mechanical systems.

      A solar device on the other hand can be entirely solid state, and dependent only on the solar cell remaining clean enough to generate useful amount of power. Its a different tradeoff, but the solar system is much simpler, probably much cheaper and rather less easy to spot which might be important for military applications...

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Go

    My tax Dollars at work!!

    Leave it to the DoD to work on a solar powered submarine!! I guess the next thing is that they really will install a screen door alongside the solar panels!

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