Question...
Was Garry Glitter one of them?
Police across Europe have arrested 112 suspected members of a child abuse ring. The suspects allegedly used the net to share depraved images and homemade videos depicting children and even toddlers being sexually abused and raped. A crackdown operation, co-ordinated by European police agency Europol, launched raids in 22 …
Hope it continues.
I wonder if there's any places left in the CIA black-ops prisons in the middle east now that the yanks are pulling out...? Eye for an eye and all that, plus they probly pretty willing to sing, cos we already know they're scum and they know that too, unlike a fighter doing it for the love of his country and/or god, misguided though he may be.
Is that 9000 hours of child porn or 9000 hours of porn, some unknown portion of which involved children? These are very different things and the unqualified number smells like marketing to me.
Nicely done bagging these people, though, and I doubt the ones who did the job are the same who wrote the press release.
The source of this "9000 hours" quote is simply from the original Danish article. They're just saying 29TB is enough to store 9000 hours of high quality video, and says nothing about how many actual hours of child pornography there are.
It strikes me though, that someone with that much child porn is probably a sharing hub for many others. I'd say give him some kind of way out if helps you with everything he knows, since tossing him in jail isn't exactly going to make him want to talk. That kind of huge stash could lead to a serious, serious number of sick fucks throughout the world, no doubt.
Better to use him to help rat on everyone else..
I despise people found guilty of abusing children as much as anyone, but I thought logic behind the death penalty was old testament 'eye for an eye'. You will have to go a long way to convince me that child abuse equates to murder.
I think a harsher punishment is having them languish in prison for a very long time without much to do but feel guilty for what they have done. To me killing them off is letting them off easy....
Sorry but as much as I hate the bastards too, I'd rather pay to have them rot in a cell dwelling on the enormity of their crime than see them "get off" with a death sentence. When you kill someone they no longer have to face up to the consequences of their actions or confront the horrendous damage they have done to their victims lives. The abused however, has to continue their life with all that terrible mental hardship, constantly influencing their decisions, especially social interaction.
And anyway, as we know from our Yankee cousins the death sentence works wonders for cutting crime and they never get the wrong person on death row!
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"You will have to go a long way to convince me that child abuse equates to murder."
Depending on type of abuse, it's probably worse than murder. The dead guy doesn't have to live with what happened does he?
For the worst offenders, save the taxpayers money and pop a cap in them.
(or feed them to the bears/sharks... double saving)
Using your logic it would be better if the abuser killed their victim after abusing them then, as there life after being abused would be worse than if they were murdered....
Following the questionable 'eye for an eye' old testament logic, that the death penalty is built on, the worst you would be able to do to the abuser, is abuse them in the same way they abused their victim. Anything else just has no moral justification, useless of course you are part of a touch and pitchfork waving mob, baying for blood (known in modern times as Daily Mail readers).
We should go after the paedos, by all means, but leave the druggies and dealers alone!
Unlike child abuse, the production, sale, and consumption of drugs involves purely voluntary transactions. These are victimless crimes.
Every hour the police waste in the War on Drugs is an hour they could have spent chasing real criminals.
>the production, sale, and consumption of drugs involves purely voluntary transactions. These are victimless crimes.
That is a rather blinkered comment. All drugs have a cost to society unless you can convince me that junkies do not mug people, nor steal from their own families in order to get money to buy drugs.
OK. I'll leave a pause in the form of a new paragraph so you can bleat on about how making drugs legal and cheap will solve this solve this.
Maybe so, but it will not solve the cost of damage done by legal drugs. It's already bad enough that there are drunk drivers without having to add driving under the influence of other recreational drugs.
I find it hard to imagine a more henious crime than kiddy fiddling, though I suppose there might be some.
For me there can be no penalty severe enough for someone caught in the act - which even includes having materials depicting such acts. Putting a tattoo on their forehead describing kiddy fiddler would do as a minimum - let them then try to live their live without getting the message that people don't like such people.
On another level, I can't actually fathom what pleasure someone could ever get from sexual exploits involving children. Something to do with being in control I suppose. In which case I hope they get locked up with Big Bertha in prison so that they can take some lessons about what being in control is about.
Well done to the police for having nicked this lot.
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"I find it hard to imagine a more henious crime than kiddy fiddling, though I suppose there might be some."
Erm, murder. Cold blooded multiple murder is not the worst crime anymore? I must have missed that memo.
"For me there can be no penalty severe enough for someone caught in the act - which even includes having materials depicting such acts."
Well that approach does not devalue the crimes of the real dirt bags who actually abuse children, if you lump in those who only have depictions, including drawings where no abuse ever took place. Also under UK law those depictions can even be of people you could legally have sex with (i.e under 18). So sure using your logic, someone who has a drawing picture of a 17 year old on their computer is as bad and should get the same punishment as some who abuses a 1 year old.
In fact your approach incentivises people into real abuse rather than sticking with looking at depictions, as the punishment would be the same. Happy you are not in charge of the justice system.
Some people really need to think past the yuck factor to get some perspective on this issue and the laws that are applied.
"On another level, I can't actually fathom what pleasure someone could ever get from sexual exploits involving children."
That's the one part I can agree with you on. Does that mean though that also disguising, are people who find very petite women attractive. Those who might be confused for being younger than they are. I.E Natalie Portman, etc
Things are a lot more complicated than just burn anyone who ever found attractive, anyone who gives the 'impression of being under 18' (wording of the law).
"Erm, murder. Cold blooded multiple murder is not the worst crime anymore?"
Perhaps I was wrong to try to compare different crimes, and apologise if that's the way my previous response read.
I don't think I share your thoughts that cold blooded multiple murder is worse than kiddy fiddling though. Completely different crimes which I don't think compare on any scale. With a murder the victim has closure - they won't have to live with the experience, whereas with kiddly fiddling there is potential for it having lifelong consequences for the victim.
To be clear, I'd shoot both the murderers and the kiddy fiddlers. Don't waste time on the trials, and shoot the human rights activists who stand in the way too. Also add anyone who doesn't subscribe to El Reg on a regular basis, they obviously aren't in touch with the real world.
It's fascinating, really.
The article leaves some vengeful (why? are they involved or is it a mob-mind thing?), most are disturbed by the idea of all these possible - nobody's been convicted - paedophiles out there, leaving unknown quantities more, and about half are cynical of the claims of the police.
It's a pretty sad state of affairs to be honest. We no longer trust their figures or their claims, we look back at Operation Ore and other horrible miscarriages of justice...
It's interesting, isn't it?
We don't trust the police. Nobody trusts the politicians. You'd have to be crazy to trust any church. We don't trust the scientists (climate, etc). We absolutely don't trust the media. We don't trust the banks or our employers or our employees.
The consequence of available information is that we are finally able to see documented evidence of their lies, corruption and abuses.
I've wandered off-topic here, but I'll trust the moderators.
Just this once.
What I find interesting is the use of the word kiddy-fiddler as it presupposes that all child abuse is defined as interfering with a child in a sexual manner.
We get all up in arms about what is a relatively small number of victims because the crime presses the right buttons yet think nothing of abuse that is child labour. But what the hell, we get cheap clothes, trainers, footballs, car parts and nobody videos the children working so it's OK.
Don't forget to distinguish between what the Reg reports and what the Europol press release acutally says:
“Law enforcement agencies have to work together to combat the growing threat of cybercrimes against children, and we have to use the most advanced technology available. The complexity is huge and challenging - for example one of the Danish suspects had 29 terabytes of data that we confiscated. This is an incredible amount of data for our investigators to handle. To put it into perspective, that could hold about 9000 hours of high-quality video,” says Jens Henrik Hoejbjerg, Danish National Commissioner of Police.