Vietnam alleged to have hacked Chinese organisations in charge of COVID-19 response Hackers working on behalf of the Vietnamese government attempted to break into Chinese organisations heading up the country's coronavirus response, according to infosec outfit FireEye. APT32, a hacking group previously linked to the Vietnamese government, tried to access the personal and professional email addresses of staff …
Possibly because they may have had some doubts about the truthfulness of reports, while having to make decisions on how much of the land borders need to be open for trade. You could probably even make some guesses about how the economy is going to be since Vietnam is right in line as one of the places that would look good for taking on manufacturing from companies that have been using China.
A number of companies were already in the throes of moving to Vietnam as a result of the trade war with the US, C19 has spurred on others to consider the same, clearly Vietnam doesn't expect China to be happy about it, and need more insight.
I say more power to them - China could end up a worse threat than Vietnam ever was to the US. We are already nearing the same numbers as what we lost in that war, just with a viral outbreak. There is enough evidence to show that this pandemic is a little suspicious, but no real proof yet. I love the Chinese and Vietnamese people, but I don't hold the same regard for PRC leadership.
Maybe they'll be polite (as well as sucking up to the countries/companies they want business from) and share the hacked data with the rest of us. We'd get better data to work with, and the responsible parties in China get outed. A plus for most of us (except for the guilty parties that is).
Of course, this would presume Vietnam would provide *complete* data and not, you know, tweak it to their own benefit.
Of course Trump tells everyone to move from China, because, y'know, Reds in the bed and all that.
He's just to fucking thick to realise that Vietnam is more communist than China.
Oops silly me, Vietnam is less likely to become the number one economic powerhouse in the world.
I forgot, nothing to to do with trade, more to do with ego.
Yeah, because at the beginning everyone was claiming that China were hiding the true numbers and they couldn't be believed.
Then the virus hit the west and certain countries like the UK and the USA realised that if you limit the amount of testing you do then the numbers of 'cases' you report would be much, much lower than reality. So every night they would spout out that there was x cases over the last 24 hours. That number was meaningless as everyone knew the number was probably 10x higher than that but they weren;t 'confirmed'.
Deaths reporting should be more accurate? Well a death from a confirmed case of Covid-19 where the death was due to the virus and they had been tested positive will be recorded as a covid-19 death. Deaths that occur due to organ failure that may be related to Covid-19? No, don't mention them. Deaths outside of hospital, care homes etc - can't be sure leave them off the stats.
There is no point bringing xenophobia and sometimes pure racism to say there is undereporting in country X when you r home country is manipulating the figures to the same or a greater extent. We could just agree that reporting accurate and consistent figures is hard and once you have a methodology, then it might be best to stick to it rather than change it every other day.
"Deaths that occur due to organ failure that may be related to Covid-19? No, don't mention them. Deaths outside of hospital, care homes etc - can't be sure leave them off the stats."
Overall population deaths are harder to hide and you can compare those to the 5-20 year averages.
This is a link to a google search for death stats for the year 1918 (overall and per 100k are showing)
https://www.google.com/search?q=1918+death+stat+chart&sxsrf=ALeKk00Sij5Gi35Pbp0zx6O7zbHwDtGDAA:1587644949403&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=wT-FkiYtWQk6iM%253A%252CG8PXEPLzi_y03M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kS3H-G8YFUc9mMMDAJHe0VFiKagJw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjN8fOpxv7oAhWGN8AKHeuJDvcQ9QEwAHoECAoQBQ#imgrc=wT-FkiYtWQk6iM:
It's MUCH harder to hide this kind of peak - and the ONS numbers trace a curve in the UK that shows that the "above normal" death figure was in excess of 40,000 people when the government was claiming 10,000 Covid fatalities (that was the most recent release, these things are necessarily a few days delayed)
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending10april2020
Lies, damned lies and...
What you conveniently forgot to mention is that those figures put the UK bang on dead average for death rate increase during this outbreak when compared to countries globally.
Do you know? From some of the scaremongering, bullshit reporting you'd think we'd really fucked this up but, when you look at the overall picture, it turns out we've done better than some but not as good as some others.
"What you conveniently forgot to mention is that those figures put the UK bang on dead average for death rate increase during this outbreak when compared to countries globally."
Early days yet - and the numbers the ONS has are a couple of weeks old at best
This is the "honeymoon period". Historically, pandemics have had at least 2 wave and the second one is the deadlier one.
We won't know the REAL image until looking back a year from now. All this is preliminary - but bear in mind that just like everything else, our systems are geared around people dying at a predictable rate and having 10-20k extras clogs things up, let alone the possibility of having 10-20k extra PER MONTH for 12 months.
"It's much harder to find the unbelievably low recovery rates for the U.K."
Because it's impossible to do so
You can't show recovery rates if you don't have accurate reporting rates and we know the reporting rates are wildly inaccurate due to the sampling method (essentially: only people who are very sick are being tested. The number of asymptomatic people being tested is a number approximating zero by comparison)
The only thing that's accurate at the moment is death stats because people dying of any cause is recorded as "he dead". Spikes above the long term averages can be inferred as being attributable to the pandemic even if not reported/diagnosed as such, and whilst it's only an inference for statustical purpose it's good enough for most purposes (you'll see the influenza/pneumonia rate has dipped slightly. you'd continue that at the normal level to get your covid rate)
I'm concerned about the long term consequencies. Poorer contries have lower life expectancies, and we're going to be a lot poorer as we pay back all the money the government has borrowed, plus interest. It was politically impossible to allow a huge peak of infected to overwhelm our health system, and maybe it has saved enough life-years this year to compensate for the reduced life expectancy in the next decade. We'll see.
"Everyone is calling this a war, and of course in a war the first casualty is the truth."
The reason the media and government are calling this a war is to soften everyone up for the inevitable high casualty rate amongst medics, carers and first responders - primarily thanks to a culture of denial, deflection and gaslighting amongst those who are responsible for public health and safety.
Pandemic planning has been repeatedly called out as vastly inadequate in the USA and the UK, but ignored by chancers in office who kept brushing the scathing reports aside. Now that chickens are coming home to roost they're trying to deflect attention from the avoidable deaths they've caused and the liabilties they should be facing.
The fridges will need to be awfully big for them to all hide in. Ice rink size, perhaps.
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