back to article Shhh! It's us, Microsoft. Yes, it's 2020. We're here with a new build of Windows 10

Happily for those still reacting negatively to sunlight after New Year's festivities, the new version of Windows 10 Microsoft has flung at Fast Ring fanboys and girls was a tad on the muted side. And, of course, thanks to the exciting way in which Microsoft is now handling the Windows Insider program, there is no guarantee …

  1. chivo243 Silver badge
    Windows

    XP Home Edition!

    Burn it with fire! NOW!

    1. DJV Silver badge

      Re: XP Home Edition!

      I'd rather burn Windows 10 with fire and go back to a fully supported Windows 7, thank you very much!

      1. Khaptain Silver badge

        Re: XP Home Edition!

        Why?

        1. DJV Silver badge

          Re: XP Home Edition!

          Telemetry, broken File Explorer search (since 1909 and insider releases, and MS totally failing to do anything about even though they've known about it since at least September 2019), forced updates (pausing is NO substitute for full control), more telemetry, complete lack of testing by MS (1809 and other problems), an uncustomisable Start Menu (thank goodness for OpenShell!), Explorer random crashes (ok, so that one's been around for ages but THEY STILL HAVEN'T FUCKING WELL FIXED IT!), updates that reset various things I've set up...

          ...shall I go on?

          1. chivo243 Silver badge
            Unhappy

            Re: XP Home Edition!

            I feel your pain, but Home Edition was a silly experiment that we still feel to day... How many flavors of Vanilla do we need? How many builds of Vanilla?

            I'll only say that networking for Home Edition was fscked... to dredge up any other bad memories would cost me at the pub or the shrink.

          2. kmedcalf

            Re: XP Home Edition!

            All those things are relatively easy to fix in WIndows 10. Telemetry is easily turned off. (You mention Telemetry twice -- to which I reply that it is quite easy to disable all telemetry in Windows 10). I have no clue what "File Explorer Search" is, I have never used such a thing in 4 decades of computer use. Forced updates can easily be turned off as well. (And no, I don't mean "pausing", whatever the hell that is, this is not a VCR). And the Start menu and a bunch of other foolery can be fixed with Classic Shell.

            The propensity of Microsoft to keep resetting things to THEIR preference is very annoying though, and I haven't figured out how to fix that "feature" except through (a) group policy and (b) having custom written software run every few minutes to check for and reverse unauthorized changes (such as the propensity for every piece of Microsoft Shit to bypass the firewall and receive unsolicited incoming connections).

            1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

              Re: XP Home Edition!

              quite easy to disable all telemetry in Windows 10

              For all telemetry, and for the consumer version?

              Please share this how-to information on keeping your home machine completely private

          3. sum_of_squares
            Trollface

            Re: XP Home Edition!

            >complete lack of testing by MS

            I've heard this so often and it's just plain wrong. This may come as a surprise, but Microsoft does a lot of testing.

            Last time I checked they had more than 200,000,000 beta testers all over the world..

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: XP Home Edition!

              You can't DUCK! a Nuke

            2. DJV Silver badge

              "Last time I checked they had more than 200,000,000 beta testers all over the world"

              Yep, they do - now if only they would actually LISTEN to some of them!

        2. bombastic bob Silver badge
          Linux

          Re: XP Home Edition!

          "I'd rather burn Windows 10 with fire and go back to a fully supported Windows 7, thank you very much!"

          and Khaptain asked: "Why?"

          Answer: TOO MANY REASONS TO LIST HERE! But I'll start with these:

          a) 2D FLATTY FLATSO McFLATFACE FLUGLY UI design with "The Metro" "The Start Thing" UWP and "The Settings": and all of that "change because *WE AT MICROSHAFT FEEL* in spite of what customers actually want"

          b) The Spyware and The Adware built into the OS.

          c) The Store

          d) The MIcrosoft Logon - able to track you WHEREVER you are online, or ON! YOUR! OWN! COMPUTER! for that matter! If they haven't already leveraged this, they will at some point.

          On a related note...

          recently I swapped in a new hard drive for a relative's older laptop, with Devuan Linux and Mate. It originally came with Vista. The performance benefits alone are worth it, but at least the system will NOW be maintainable... And the owner of this computer is a "content consumer", and it took only a short time (read: a few minutes) to re-learn to use a Mate desktop vs what was set up before in Vista. Lots of "thank you" responses. Data files and settings were preserved when possible. I copied _everything_ that was in C:\Users into the new file system, just in case.

          even e-mail settings were just copied because the windows system was using thunderbird...

          (ok remind me why people are actually USING WNIDOWS 10 again?? Because someone like ME hasn't come along and converted them over to Linux, right?)

          1. RyokuMas Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: XP Home Edition!

            "Because someone like ME hasn't come along and converted them over to Linux, right?"

            Oooh, this feels like deja vu...

            At least (as far as I remember) Eadon only used caps in his "EPIC [insert Microsoft thing here] FAIL" sign-offs, and none of the juvenile AOL emphasis stuff.

    2. My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

      Re: XP Home Edition!

      I don't know what edition it is, but my podiatrist's office is using XP -- standard themed taskbar/Start and everything -- at least in the exam/treatment rooms.

      If they have a data breach, just imagine the horror: someone might just find out my shoe size, weight and BP and body temperature at each visit, and how many warts I've been having treated and how many visits it's taken so far. (Their card payments unit is a little, independent unit so I'm not worried about anything useful getting stolen.)

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: XP Home Edition!

        Local branch of a national 'discount' supermarket chain, all their tills are XP pro based, and then there's their WLAN....'secured' by WEP (but hey, as I've a tribe of furry little overlords to feed, if the IT parsimony of the supermarket chain helps keep down the cost of the cat food they peddle that my overlords currently deign to eat, who am I to complain?...and only use cash when shopping there)

        They're lucky the locals populating the nearby housing are mostly knuckle draggers, junkies and pensioners, had the place been a wee bit closer to the local college, things could have been a bit more 'interesting'.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: XP Home Edition!

          One of my customers is a UK Tier 1 retailer.

          Much of their older POS Estate is on XP Embedded, with all of their their back office servers running Windows Server 2003R2 and SQL 2000.

        2. My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

          Re: XP Home Edition!

          Thanks for the reminder regarding supermarkets...

          The "self checkout" stations at our regional hypermarket** chain also run XP, I think (or possibly something even older like 2000; could have just been an NT / 2000-like theme). Not sure about the staffed checkouts.

          ** Hypermarket: full supermarket + department store. More food and less merch than a (former glory) Kmart, and regional, not national like Walmart.

  2. overunder Silver badge

    Boring.

    It seems that every week on here there is an update on a "new" build of Windows 10. So my question is the same here as in Windows 10... how do I stop these updates?

    1. A.P. Veening Silver badge

      Re: Boring.

      You don't, welcome to the Hotel California ;)

      1. Rich 11 Silver badge

        Re: Boring.

        If only this Hotel California included Susie the Bear...

    2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

      Re: Boring.

      That feeling when you're on the fast ring.

  3. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Bronze badge

    Waving hand: ARM64 user

    On Lumia 950 XL in my case....

    And indeed I want to know whether the Firefox is an actual ARM64 executable or running emulated... Since there is only a web installer and no offline installer I am not sure whether it installed the right version.

    1. fnusnu

      Re: Waving hand: ARM64 user

      Throw it in the bin and buy a supported phone.

      1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Bronze badge

        Re: Waving hand: ARM64 user

        Na, my main phone is Mi 9 with Qi. So the Lumia is free to use with a real OS.

      2. IGotOut

        Re: Waving hand: ARM64 user

        "Throw it in the bin and buy a supported phone."

        As you have noticed his WinPhone is getting updates.

        My much newer Android hasn't had one for several months.

        Remind me which one is the supported phone again?

  4. phuzz Silver badge
    Stop

    "Timer work in English (United Kingdom) is a tad tricky due to all those pesky regional variations."

    That's because we use a sensible date format, unlike the Yanks and their middle-endian nonsense.

    (Although I will admit that the Japanese/ISO 8601 YYYY-MM-DD is the most sensible format)

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Completly agree, it's only the Americans who persist in such oddness...

      1. AndrueC Silver badge
        Joke

        Are we just talking about dates here or in general?

    2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

      The ISO format has the added advantage of producing correctly-ordered results in a simple alphanumeric sort.

    3. Philippe

      ISO8601

      Thanks, I just realised that the Japanese system is how I date contracts.

      At least when you list them in Explorer they come up in the right order.

      ISO8601 is officially my favourite ISO.

  5. DJV Silver badge

    Yeah, but have they fixed the completely borked search box in File Explorer yet?

    If you've not hit it then see: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=file+explorer+1909+search+field+unresponsive

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Don't bother

      Instead just download Ultrasearch from JamSoftware and give it a try. At least until Microsoft bothers to fix the issue.

      1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
        Boffin

        Re: Don't bother

        At least until Microsoft bothers to acknowledge the issue.

        Improved that for you - No charge.

      2. DJV Silver badge

        Re: Don't bother

        Ultrasearch falls at the first hurdle - doesn't search network drives, which is what I need to do.

    2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Bronze badge

      Windows + R

      cmd

      cd /d (drag and drop path from explorer)

      dir *your*search* /b /s /a

    3. kmedcalf

      Download and use Explorer++ if you must really have a clickety-pokery and have the oldtimers and cannot remember when you put stuff.

    4. 1752

      FileLocator Lite

      https://www.mythicsoft.com/filelocatorlite/download/

      Searches shared drives and UNC's and searches inside main file types. Worth a look if you want a file search thingy.

  6. Barry Rueger

    Too Slow

    My wife's HP laptop just did what I take was a pretty major Windows 10 update. Can anyone explain why this should take hours, and why every update requires a complete reboot?

    This machine has been an endless battle from Day One, and still has significant issues with BBC I-player, but only at home, and only some times of the day - with a fibre connection and a series of different routers and mesh systems.

    Obviously some of the problems lay at the feet of HP, but when I reboot with a Linux USB the performance issues disappear so Windows has to take the lion's share of the blame.

    And that's ignoring the overall user interface...

    1. MyffyW Silver badge

      Re: Too Slow

      I think, Barry, you've just made a case for a Linux laptop..... this is the year, I tell you

    2. TechnicalBen Silver badge

      Re: Too Slow

      They are not updates. They are complete backups/archives then downloads then installs. :/

      Linux seems brighter every day.

      1. Khaptain Silver badge

        Re: Too Slow

        Not really backups as you don't get the choice to rollback...

        1. hakuli
          Mushroom

          Re: Too Slow

          I presume you're referring to the feature updates, e.g. 1803 -> 1809.

          They can be rolled back, but MS like to assume that if you've stuck with the new-fangled build for 10 days you clearly like it and/or it's working correctly* and so the old build goes away**.

          * for certain definitions of "correct"

          ** or, at least, the option to roll it back does. I think the files loiter for a bit until you clear them out, but not certain.

    3. Philippe

      Re: Too Slow

      Is there a reason why you haven't installed that USB Linux on the hard drive yet?

      My Wife's computer has been on Xubuntu for at least 2 years. I work in IT, I can't be arsed to deal with IT support in the evening too.

      1. Barry Rueger

        Re: Too Slow

        Sadly she uses a couple of Windows only applications and I have little faith in WINE's ability to handle them. Beyond that the process of moving everything from Windows to Linux is daunting given that machine is heavily used for several hours each day.

        1. Bill Gray

          Re: Too Slow

          If you've not given Wine another chance recently, you should consider doing so. It is by no means certain to work, especially if the code in question is buggy or uses some outré API call. But it's gradually gotten _much_ better, in my experience.

          Though I can sympathize with the daunting nature of such a transfer. My mother was stuck on Windows for years because she needed to run a particular bit of payroll/accounting software for her husband's home business. Only solution was for him to retire. After he did that, Linux worked well for her. That solution is not open to everyone.

          1. Barry Rueger

            Re: Too Slow

            Haven't touched WINE since I discovered VirtualBox. I've got an elderly Vista instance that just moves happily from one machine to the next for the one accounting program that lives inside it.

            1. Christopher Reeve's Horse
              Linux

              Re: Too Slow

              And before the immediate impulse to down vote this suggestion... hold on a minute and work with me on this - someone needs to make a Linux GUI that looks and works exactly like Windows 10. There, I said it.

              MS appear to be integrating more and more Linux into Windows. Lets start at the other end and meet in the middle? All the underlying system advantages of Linux, without anyone even realising it's not Windows! Even better if existing Windows applications and games etc can run transparently and seamlessly without any extra end-user complexity at all.

              One computer to rule them all.

  7. stonyfield

    Why are they adding a column for architecture in the task manager? We already have one, it's called "platform".

  8. Kev99

    Task manager missing something?

    I seem to remember that in XP, and 7 when you called up task manager the usual default window was of all applications that were running. In 10 only the processes pop up. Not good in my opinion.

  9. yakacm

    I'm guessing XP installs are probably increasing again as the retro gaming thing takes hold, the tech equivalent of having a record player. I just built myself on XP machine, not what I am using to post this BTW. I managed to source all the choicest components like a Pentium 4 with hyper threading, at 3.2 Ghz it real flies, well glides maybe, the 3.4Ghz ones go for stupid money so I settled on the 3.2, same for the graphics card I managed to get the second fastest Nvidia AGP card GTX 7850, again the the 7900 go for alarmingly large amounts of dough these days.

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