back to article Space Force is go, go, go! Because we have a child as President of the United States

President Trump’s dream of a special space force have come true just before Christmas, with the US House of Representatives approving the new zero-gravity guardians in a monster military bill on Wednesday. It is one of the largest ever military policy bills passed – in a 377-48 vote – and is it full of unhappy compromises. The …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Don't compare Trump to children.

    Children are better behaved, smarter, more mature, and can be taught the error of their ways through a simple talking-to by a respected adult.

    1. Sanguma Bronze badge

      Re: Don't compare Trump to children.

      Also, most children mature and grow up. I think The Donald decided that looked too much like work, and flagged any maturity beyond the merely physical.

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: Don't compare Trump to children.

        He matured physically? Who knew?

    2. HildyJ Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: Don't compare Trump to children.

      Children also tend to be consistent. North Korea nailed it - we are witnessing the "dotage of a dotard".

    3. Charles W.E. Johnson

      Re: Don't compare Trump to children.

      That applies to the entire political aristocracy.

  2. Winkypop Silver badge
    Flame

    Uranus or bust

    Maybe we could send the Trump family on a one-way trip on the Jupiter III

    1. My other car WAS an IAV Stryker

      Re: Uranus or bust

      And we'll call it the "B" Ark.

      1. Unicornpiss Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Uranus or bust

        Trump: "Why are there so many telephone sanitizers and marketing executives on the ship I'm on? Also, my bathwater's getting cold... someone do something about that."

    2. VinceLortho

      Re: Uranus or bust

      Hmm, they're all Doctor Zachary Smith - a paranoid, narcissistic, borderline psychotic, pseudo-intellectual screw-up that stumbled into the situation while trying to sabotage the Jupiter mission as a paid agent of an enemy government. Yes, it's perfect.

      1. JJKing Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Uranus or bust

        Oh the pain, the pain!

    3. spold Silver badge

      Re: Uranus or bust

      >>Uranus or bust

      Well there's a choice, isn't there vicar?

  3. Claverhouse Silver badge
    Mushroom

    It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

    Trump will not lose by this, knowing the American people; any more than he has lost by pushing for a ridiculous Wall.

    Of course had the wretched Obama spun this idea the media would be falling over itself to grovel before his 'cool' intellectual brilliance.

    .

    ...the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner took time away from restoring peace in the Middle East to reach an agreement with the president’s daughter, who looks lovely in a dress and is also Kushner's wife

    Kinda tautological, nu ?

    1. Sanguma Bronze badge

      Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

      I'm hoping that every State in the G*****mn Union with get inspired by the Trump Border Wall, and start building walls to keep the undesirables from the neighbouring states out of their territories. Just think of the benefit a Trump Border Wall would bring Hawai'i, or Tennessee, or Alaska, or Rhode Island, or New York, or California, or Puerto Rico, or ... even better, Albany NY should erect a Trump Border Wall against the threatened incursion of rapists and murderers from New York NY or Schenectady NY or ... ditto for Queens NY NY facing the threat of the like from the Bronx NY NY or the Bronx NY NY facing such a threat from Queens NY NY ... Just think a big beautiful wall around each and every citizen of the good ol' U S of A ... lunatic asylum for everyone!!!

      1. phuzz Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        Build the wall along the southern border (ignoring the geological impossibilities for now).

        Then build one along the northern boarder to keep out those damn commie Canucks.

        Then build one down each coast to safeguard the purity of American essence, and finally cap it off with a big dome going right over the top.

        Go on. Please do it.

        Signed

        The rest of the World.

        1. Saruman the White

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          Oh yes, and please make sure that it is completely, utterly, airtight.

        2. hoola Bronze badge

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          With an appropriate design this would have the added benefit of trapping all the pollution and greenhouse gases the US emits so that it would only bugger up their bit...…

          One step further would be to prevent any ingress or egress of stuff.....

          That would fit almost perfectly with Trumps protectionist ideals.

          1. HelpfulJohn Bronze badge

            Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

            Can we export all the nice USAliens, first?

            Such as the mountain lions and ........ ummm .... okay, just the cats.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

              You can't have my cats, they help control the deer population. I've got a bear you can have, though. Come Spring, I'll even throw in her cubs for free. You'll have to supply the handling, packaging and shipping.

        3. southen bastard

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          Then fill it with water

        4. JJKing Silver badge
          Black Helicopters

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          Build the wall along the southern border

          Then build one along the northern boarder

          Then build one down each coast

          Assuming no holes or leaks, we can now fill it with water. There, the World saved.

          Sorry SB, didn't see yours was first.

      2. batfink Silver badge

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        I think I once saw a documentary about New York with a wall around it. Directed by John Carpenter IIRC.

      3. Someone Else Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        It would be great to keep Tejanos out of New Mexico!

      4. mickaroo

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        A wall around New York would serve no useful purpose. Just ask Snake Plissken...

      5. PapaD

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        I think i've read this book - its called Only Forward (Michael Marshall Smith)

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          I read Only Forward recently, after a Kindle ad1 pointed me toward his more recent novel Hannah Green and her Unfeasibly Mundane Existence, which I quite liked. Then I got Only Forward, which is very different but also good.

          I might try some of his crime fiction; it's not a genre I read much of, but I dip my toe in those waters occasionally. Smith's an innovative and interesting writer.

          1I've found these surprisingly helpful, and they're not obtrusive - just static images and text on the sleep screen and at the bottom of the home page. Like some of the ads that used to run in Byte and DDJ, it's the rare case of advertising I actually appreciate.

      6. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        I'm building a border wall across the middle of my desk, so if one laptop gets malware it can't get to the other one.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

      It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led Laid.

      FTFY

    3. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

      "had the wretched Obama spun this idea the media would be falling over itself to grovel before his 'cool' intellectual brilliance."

      THAT is a foregone conclusion. 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' is alive and kicking.

      During WW2 the Air Force was 'Army Air Corps'. It split off some time after the war ended. Now it's going to split again. Seriuosly it makes sense because a 'space force' would be able to focus on space, and not on 'Air Force' kinds of things. At some point in the future, when actual ships are being flown, it'd probably make sense to have a separate 'Space Navy'. I would guess that when it comes to managing ships with a crew of dozens or hundreds, the Navy has much more experience. But a crew of 2 or 3 or 4, Air Force can manage just fine.

      It's just an evolutionary thing, really. You can make fun, until it makes sense.

      1. Someone Else Silver badge

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        You can make fun, until it makes sense.

        No one current alive can wait that long.

      2. Dal90

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        Minor-ish clarification -- Hap Arnold was named Chief of Army Air Forces in June, 1941 (thus prior to U.S. overt participation in WWII) under whom fell the various Air Corps. The Air Force name dated back to the mid-30s as the highest level of planning but with weaker operational control than the mid-1941 form.

        After Pearl Harbor Day, Roosevelt gained power to make additional reforms without Congressional approval, which allowed Arnold to start shaping the independent Air Force that controlled planning / logistics / operations.

        1. John Jennings

          Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

          Actually no.

          The USAF for formed in September 1947 - as part of the National Security Act of that year.

          A partial separation called U.S. Army Air Forces existed between 1941 and 47

          planes were under the control of the US army at the time of Pearl Harbor.

          "Hap" Arnold was a general in charge of the army air corps until 1941 He became a 4 star general in 1944, and held that post until 1946, when he retired..

          thus, technically Spaatz was the first commander of the USAF.

      3. Robert Helpmann?? Silver badge
        Childcatcher

        Re: It Is With Such Baubles That Men Are Led.

        You can make fun, until it makes sense.

        Now THAT truly is a foregone conclusion. As you rightly imply, this reorganization does not make sense and is worthy of mockery. Why go through all the hassle and expense of doing something of this nature when it has no point in the foreseeable future? This move is purely about ego (speaking of tautology) and adds no value to ... well... anything worthwhile.

    4. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Kinda tautological, nu ?

      Yes, for effect.

      C.

  4. MachDiamond Silver badge

    She's back

    There is still that chance that Ms. Clinton will run against President Trump again. If you think it would have been better if she had won last time, you may be in with a second chance. (Citizenship not required in some States).

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: She's back

      >(Citizenship not required in some States).

      Service guarantees Citizenship, now go kill some bugs.

      Would you like to know more?

      1. Ima Ballsy
        Coat

        Re: She's back

        COME ON YOU APES, YOU WANNA LIVE FOREVER ?!?!?!?!

        Welcome to the Roughnecks, Trumps RoughNecks !

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Nonsensical to whom?

    @"sparked in large part by his nonsensical withdrawal, then unwithdrawal and reunwithdrawal from the northern border of Syria"

    On the contrary it was clearly to hand control of Syria over to Russia, there was nothing nonsensical about it. The pair of them even gave you a heads-up before hand. Remember the attack on the US base in Syria by by the Russians?

    Remember this? Russian militia attacks a US base in Syria? Clearly aiming to send a few US troops in body bags back to the US.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-02-16/russia-attacked-u-s-troops-in-syria

    The "fog of war" excuse doesn't work in the age of GPS. The aim was clearly to send a few US troops back in body-bags by attacking a known US base at a known location. With Putin clearly knowing that Russia would face no negative consequences for it, and potentially giving Trump an excuse to withdraw troops.

    Which in turn suggests co-ordination between Trump and Putin on an attack against the US. Not a 'cyber-attack' against elections, a guns and missiles attack against US troops. Trump would be there for a photo-shoot with the coffins, ... "oh this is terrible I'm bringing our troops home immediately so this terrible accident never happens again". all the while trying not to smirk.

    Trump faces impeachment, Republicans go into full on "rooting for Putin" mode. Fox news's Tucker Carlson does his "I'm rooting for Russia" line. Trump is then free to do the withdrawal, and Republicans can do nothing but pretend to be suddenly pro-Russia. What else can you do? His lawyer is meeting Putin connected Oligarchs in Albania, the head of the Intelligence oversight committee Nunes is meeting Putin connected agents in the Ukraine. Trump's son in laws meeting a Russian army intelligence agent and Russian lawyer in Trump tower.... to supposedly talk about 'adopting orphans'.

    It's not nonsensical, it was inevitable.

    And so is this:

    The Republicans will back Trump and block the Senate vote, and pretend all is well, and Trump will invite Putin to visit, likely 4th July, with GOP lining up on Independence day to meet Putin in a show of compliance to their new leader carrying banners "Rooting for Putin".

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nonsensical to whom?

      Well then, at least the flags in the grand military parade will have the right colors, even if there are only three stripes.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Trademark "Republicans 'R Rooting for Putin"

        Get the t-shirts printed, grab the trademark, book your ad-slot on Hannity because there is zero chance Republicans will cut their losses on Trump now.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Nonsensical to whom?

      On the contrary it was clearly to hand control of Syria over to Russia, there was nothing nonsensical about it. The pair of them even gave you a heads-up before hand.

      AC, I take my hat together with my toupée off to salute you! This is a brilliant combination of good many conspiracy theories, which I am sure will get - or perhaps have already got, I do not really follow these things - a lot of traction in the echo chambers of the great cesspit known as the interwebs. Well done, my lad!

  6. Mark 85 Silver badge

    Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

    I almost expect the Space Force to have some spiffy uniforms like say from Star Trek or even from some really bad movies of the 50-60's. Maybe kids outfits like they had cowboy outfits back then? Now if only there were phasers*... maybe next budget then.

    Never, ever set one for "kill bulldozer" when you wanted "stun".

    1. Martin Gregorie Silver badge

      Re: Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

      Never mind the killdozers, where are the Space Marines Ladies Auxilliary Force wearing bikinis under their transparent space suits and carrying matching colour-coded blasters?

      I've seen them on the covers of so many "Astounding Stories" issues that they must be true.

    2. batfink Silver badge

      Re: Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

      Will the first ship commissioned be called "War Rocket Ajax"?

      1. Fungus Bob Silver badge

        Re: Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

        I hope not. Would ruin a perfectly good movie.

      2. JJKing Silver badge
        Trollface

        Re: Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

        Will the first ship commissioned be called "War Rocket Ajax"?

        Yes, and it will go forth and clean up the approaching alien forces.

    3. JJKing Silver badge
      Angel

      Re: Did he mix Fox up with the Sci-Fi network a few times?

      Maybe they will call them Shlasers since they are likely to be very small sharks with lasers mounted on their heads.

  7. jake Silver badge

    On the bright side ...

    ... both the wall and the Space Farce, and various other Trumpian bullshit/tantrums, will be pretty much history immediately following the next election.

    1. bazza Silver badge

      Re: On the bright side ...

      Unless he wins it...

      Setting up a separate military branch to do all things “space” is repeating the mistake of setting up the Airforce that mostly separated all things “airborne” from the Army. It was a mistake by us Brits in the tail end of WW1, one that the US repeated after WW2.

      Warfare requires integrated planning across a whole military. That’s harder to pull off when the military is chopped up into separate branches, all squabbling over limited resources.

    2. Beau

      Re: On the bright side ...

      Anyone who thinks that the Trumps will be leaving the White House in the foreseeable future is sadly mistaken. If it came to it, Trump would consider World War Three preferable.

      1. Kernel Silver badge

        Re: On the bright side ...

        "Anyone who thinks that the Trumps will be leaving the White House in the foreseeable future is sadly mistaken. If it came to it, Trump would consider World War Three preferable."

        On the contrary, I foresee them leaving some time in the next four and a bit years - I'm not mistaken about that, sadly or otherwise.

        In some ways I will be a little sad to see the Orange Twatter go - he's not my president and so long as the 'murkins ensure there's always a grown up between him and any button that does more than ring the Whitehouse doorbell then let the hilarity continue. There's nothing quite like idiocy at some other taxpayer's expense to provide a good laugh.

        1. hoola Bronze badge

          Re: On the bright side ...

          And now he has a pretty much invincible compatriot here as well, what could possible go wrong. BoJo has probably already committed to throwing our defence money at this lunacy.

  8. Aussie Doc
    Black Helicopters

    Wow.

    You guys should encourage Pimplethinskin to bring back open top Caddies and meet the folks at a grassy knoll of choice.

    1. Spasticus Autisticus
      Facepalm

      Re: Wow.

      I have a picture in my mind that this happens, but Trump just puts his hand up to his head and goes OW - despite half his head being shot away.

      Am I bad?

      1. bombastic bob Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: Wow.

        with only HALF a brain, Trump would STILL be better than OBAKA (or Mrs. Clinton for that matter), or any of those "candidates" jockeying for position in the Demo[n,c][R,r]at party

        1. Someone Else Silver badge

          Re: Wow.

          Given that tRump starts with no more than half a brain, losing half of that would render him....... Wow! The mind boggles at the similes....

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Wow.

        A head shot would likely damage The Hair, and there's no telling what effect that would have.

      3. JJKing Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: Wow.

        despite half his head being shot away.

        They could shoot the Orange Idiot right between his eyes and still miss his brain by a good 6 or 7 feet.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Wow.

          Objection. Organ in question not in evidence.

  9. Paul Kinsler

    a monumentally stupid idea

    On the effects of which, I read this recently...

    https://arxiv.org/abs/1912.03268

    Cipolla' s game: playing under the laws of human stupidity

    Joel Kuperman, Donny R. Bárcenas, Marcelo N. Kupermana

    In this work we present an evolutionary game inspired by the work of Carlo Cipolla entitled The basic laws of human stupidity. The game expands the classical scheme of two archetypical strategies, collaborators and defectors, by including two additional strategies. One of these strategies is associated to a stupid player that according to Cipolla is the most dangerous one as it undermines the global wealth of the population. By considering a spatial evolutionary game and imitation dynamics that go beyond the paradigm of a rational player we explore the impact of Cipolla' s ideas and analyze the extent of the damage that the stupid players inflict on the population

  10. Alister Silver badge

    And yet there are commentards who complain about Musk, Bezos and Branson spending their own money on trying to go to space, when they should be giving it to the poor and underprivileged...

    $738bn you poor fools, from YOUR money!

    1. storner
      Black Helicopters

      Actually - no, that will be *chinese* money. The US funds lots of government projects by selling state bonds, and China is one of the largest buyer of those.

      1. Dal90

        China holds 5% of U.S. bonds currently. Japan 4.8%.

        U.S. citizens & companies own 70%.

        Big buyer? Yes. Going to make us go without? Not really.

    2. GruntyMcPugh Silver badge

      @Alister

      Branson hasn't put much money into Virgin Galactic, he bankrolled it with $100m but then a UAE Investment fund chipped in a few hundred million, and the new Mexico govt paid for the space port to be built.

      1. Gnoitall
        FAIL

        Why didn't we get to vote for Branson? He built a spaceport and got the Mexicans to pay for it!

        1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          He built a spaceport and got the Mexicans to pay for it!

          Got the New Mexicans to pay for it. Jeez.

          New Mexico: It ain't new and it ain't Mexico.

          And only was (part of) Mexico for a couple of dozen years, from 1821 to 1845. Oñate had a letter of patent from the king of Spain to found a new colony, Nuevo México. Mexico seized what was then the Nuevo México province of Virreinato de Nueva España, the Viceroyalty of New Spain, in the War of Mexican Independence, but lost it again in the Mexican-American War. The deed for the land that the Mountain Fastness sits on goes back to a land grant from the king of Spain to an officer in the army that retook New Mexico after the Pueblo Revolt; it describes the property [in the English translation] as a tract "in the Ultramarine Colony of New Mexico".

          So if you've ever wondered what color New Mexico is...

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
            Facepalm

            "New Mexico: It ain't new and it ain't Mexico."

            WHOOOOOOOOSH!!!!!

            1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

              Considering how often people in the US make that mistake, there was no way to know whether you were making a joke. You want to complain, contact the Department of Poe's Law.

    3. skeptical i
      Flame

      trickle on, er, down economics, no?

      re: "$738bn you poor fools, from YOUR [taxpayers'] money!"

      I'm sure someone of the Space Force supporters will claim that the huge amounts of money being shovelled at Raytheon, McDonnell-Douglas, and other "usual suspects" defense contractors will create an additional job or two somewhere, either through direct hiring (add more receptionists and public relations flacks) or indirect spend (those new hires to take lunch somewhere, right? Maybe the diner next door will add more waitstaff to keep up with the crush, right?). Pay no attention to the stock holders, brokers, and traders behind the curtain.

      Set it on fire. ------>

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    1. jake Silver badge

      No point.

      He is clearly slipping into his second childhood. Classical signs of senility.

      1. Someone Else Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: No point.

        Only the second childhood?

      2. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: No point.

        Add in a heavy dose of paranoia about everyone else, and some delusions of grandeur. He seems to think he's the "king" with god-like brilliancy and wisdom. If any of us mere mortals acted like he does, we'd be in a rubber room, wearing a white coat with extra long sleeves and maybe on thorazine.

  12. 0laf Silver badge
    Alien

    Spelling

    Can we call this new military body by it's correct name please. I understant there are at least 3 'a's in Space so the official title being -

    Spaaace Force.

    And it should be said with an overly theatrical pronunciation.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Spelling

      I think you mispleled "Farce".

      And intoned in Jackie Coogan's Uncle Fester voice.

    2. bombastic bob Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Spelling

      "And it should be said with an overly theatrical pronunciation."

      and a GRAND SOUNDING echo!!!

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

    great job title, lots of e-mail pushing (handled by Chief of Space Operations Deputy' Junior Assistant' Secretary), no risk of being fried by a russki laser beam, a handsome uniform in dark blue and lots of stars and rocket patches all over it. A fine, leader-cushioned armchair and desk, a room with a view over a green lawn, rather than vast, cold abyss of Deep Space. Also, a pay grade positively shooting through the stratosphere. Benefits seem... infinite ;)

    1. Alister Silver badge

      Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

      A fine, leader-cushioned armchair and desk

      Nice Freudian slip there... did you mean lead-cushioned or leather-cushioned?

      But leader-cushioned it certainly will be...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

        leader-cushioned... gulp. All kinds of things spring to mind, all unsavoury... But the desk itself can't be cushioned, you know. When you slap your palm and DEMAND! YOUR! ORDERS! BE! OBEYED! (and all that) this must make a PROPER SOUND!, man, not like a (...) pussy slapping leader desk... ehm... well... I I got the syntax misentangled now :(

    2. Shadow Systems Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

      Don't forget the fluffy white kitty to stroke lovingly while you make the Doctor Evil pinky gestures! =-)P

    3. Adelio

      Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

      But how are they going to get any "space" training with nothing to get into space with?

      1. Mike 137 Silver badge

        Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

        "But how are they going to get any "space" training"

        Call the Tracys - Thunderbirds suddenly have a reason to go after half a century in idleness.

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    5. Sanguma Bronze badge

      Re: The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations

      And what is wrong with having Russki Fried Chicken - ooooopss, I meant, Russki Fried Chief of Space Operations?

  14. Wupspups
    Joke

    Please let there be Space Marines!

    Cant wait to see Games Workshop sue US gov over the use of Space Marines. What fun that will be.

    Unless of course GW gets a consultancy on how to create Space Marines in which case "The Emperor/Donald (delete as applicable) preserves!"

    1. Tim Jenkins

      Re: Please let there be Space Marines!

      An annexe to the bill contains a UOR for heavy bolter, power ax (sic) and meltagun.

  15. defiler Silver badge

    So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

    I was at school at the time, so missed much of the nuance, but didn't the Soviet Union collapse because they tried to keep up with the USA and ran out of money?

    (Skipping past lots of bits regarding individual reward for work giving an incentive to improve methods etc etc)

    Without prejudice, I can't help but idly wonder if the USA is going to run out of money keeping up with the ego of their own government...

    1. codejunky Silver badge

      Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

      @defiler

      "didn't the Soviet Union collapse because they tried to keep up with the USA and ran out of money?"

      Sort of. Money is information so how much is printed doesnt change the value of the backing country instead it changes the value of the money. One of the great differences between socialist countries and non-socialists is they are not very good at growth (increasing the value of the country) and are restricted by the resources/production they have and can 'acquire'.

      The USSR could only sustain itself by expansion and taking existing resources and production from conquered territory. Eastern Germany was about the richest success story of socialism and thats because of how successful it started, Western Germany leaving it in the dust.

      "Without prejudice, I can't help but idly wonder if the USA is going to run out of money keeping up with the ego of their own government..."

      Without disagreeing with you, is there a contender to Trump? Obama spaffed money (Bush too), the democrats are offering to spaff money on retarding the country. Trump is spaffing money on soldiers, defence and the protection of the people (agree or not that is the framing). Which candidate of either side promotes prudence?

      1. defiler Silver badge

        Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

        Well, my understanding (as a gross simplification) is that because there was no real incentive for an individual to excel, the Soviens would just do what the were told to do without significant innovation. Of course they were innovators as well, but only the ones told to *be* innovators. After all, the likes of BP walked in there in the 1990s and were astonished at the lack of modern techniques to extract oil from the Soviet oilfields. There seems to have been a lot of "it's good enough" and no drive to improve, and the improvements are what allowed the capitalist nations to outgrow and outspend them.

        Again, this is not borne of experience, but from what I've read on the subject and my interpretation of that - I'm happy to be corrected.

        As for the USA, according to Wikipedia (I'm in a hurry, okay?) US military spending exceeds the next 10 countries combined, more than half of which are allies. The US Government just loves to piss money into the military, regardless of President. I'm just sitting back on the other side of the ocean idly wondering "how much is too much" and "when does it become too expensive to sustain"?

        1. batfink Silver badge

          Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

          This isn't "pissing money away" as you seem to think it is.

          It's using taxpayers money wisely - for pork-barrelling to get the <pick party currently in power> congresscritters/senators re-elected.

        2. codejunky Silver badge

          Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

          @defiler

          "Again, this is not borne of experience, but from what I've read on the subject and my interpretation of that - I'm happy to be corrected."

          Sounds similar to my understanding of it.

          "US military spending exceeds the next 10 countries combined, more than half of which are allies"

          This is an interesting issue of NATO that a lot of its members cant be bothered meeting the 'required' military spending anyway. What use are allies when they cant do anything? Germany couldnt even get plains and pilots to Iraq to fight ISIS, only the war minister managed to arrive. The US spends huge amounts on military, but when the EU upset Russia the EU hid behind the US. All the while the US cant afford its current welfare state and has others pushing for more.

          "I'm just sitting back on the other side of the ocean idly wondering "how much is too much" and "when does it become too expensive to sustain"?"

          Me too and me too. If it does happen I wonder how the western world will cope.

    2. JohnFen Silver badge

      Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

      " if the USA is going to run out of money keeping up with the ego of their own government.."

      The USA has already run out of money a while back. We're operating on debt now, piling it on faster and higher than ever in my memory. I do think that it poses a serious, possibly existential, risk to the nation.

      1. Mark 85 Silver badge

        Re: So, back to the Soviets for a moment...

        So what dd we expect? Well.. dear leader promised balanced budget. Yet we look at his history, and bankruptcy seems to a big item in his past. The debt has gone way up faster under Trump than anyone expected.

  16. Timmy B Silver badge

    Where is the science in this?

    There is about 99.7% rant in this drivel and .01% science (I've allowed a margin of error). Move it to opinion like most of Kieren's rants.

    Wow... I saw the title and I knew the author right away...

    1. BigSLitleP Silver badge

      Re: Where is the science in this?

      Point on the Trump doll where Kieren hurt you.

      1. Timmy B Silver badge

        Re: Where is the science in this?

        I don't like Trump, you silly. I didn't say I did. I simply pointed out that there was very little science and a whole load of politics and opinion in an article stated to be about science.

    2. G Olson

      Re: Where is the science in this?

      I concur. Considering a great number of Kieren's articles are more personal opinion rant than technology, why does the Reg keep publishing this drivel? Considering the comments and voting, appears to provide the subjects of the Monarchy a place to vent their political drivel spleen about the USA. El Reg should pay for Kieren's relocation to London so he can feel less offended.

  17. devTrail Bronze badge

    Deception

    I suspect they are hiding behind childish labels the expansion of their surveillance program. Military satellites are expensive and need a lot of people to verify what they actually saw when you have a lot of them. They are trying to automate as much as possible with neural networks trained to recognise ships, planes new buildings and so on, but to design, monitor and take action of the observation you still need a lot of people, hence the 15000 people workforce.

    1. PBXTech

      Re: Deception

      BINGO!

      Many DoD/Intelligence assets in orbit. All this does is take related functions scattered between various agencies and consolidate them.

      I'd say that this a first step towards admitting that we have had the capabilities for many years to make things in orbit which we don't like permanently disappear. No secret that the US has had ABM capabilities for decades. Really think we can't extend that out another hundred miles and take out something in a known orbit?

      For that matter, think we don't have sats in orbit as we speak that can take out another sat? All it takes is a few pounds of ball bearings and a difference in velocity.

      1. Charles W.E. Johnson

        Re: Deception

        Orbital mechanics make the "ball-bearing"/shotgun/"Brillient-Pebbles" solution harder than it may intuitively seem.

  18. phuzz Silver badge

    Correction

    "the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner took time away from restoring peace in the Middle East"

    Dear elReg, it seems you've misspelt the phrase "lining his pockets with blood money and cosying up to dictators".

    ALLEGEDLY

    1. OssianScotland Silver badge

      Re: Correction

      Restoring Peace in the Middle East? But... But... I thought T B Liar had done that years ago?

      Why was I not told?

  19. x 7

    I read somewhere that Jared Kushner was to be given the code name Commander Zero

    1. hplasm Silver badge
      Happy

      I read somewhere that Jared Kushner was to be given the code name Commander Zero

      Isn't that his FIL? He would be Captain Black...

  20. Franco Silver badge

    No doubt with no trace of irony it'll be named after a TV show or film, just like the JEDI project.

    Can't decide if I like Star Command or Team America better though.

  21. Teiwaz Silver badge

    You never know

    Might end up being another International Rescue

    Complete with wooden acting.

    And with walls and missiles and poor treatment of refugees.

    And led by The Hood instead.

  22. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    The new Space Force will get its own Chief of Space Operations, who will report to the Secretary of the Air Force, and will probably get most of the Air Force’s space assets – from the Vandenberg base in California where satellites are launched to ground control bases like the one at Schriever base in Colorado. It will also get GPS satellites, the X37B spaceplane and, of course, its own force – up to 15,000 personnel apparently. The budget provides funds to train and equip them as well as cover “prompt and sustained space operations.”

    This appears to be SOP in politics. Package up or re-announce a whole lot of existing stuff were stuff can just include plans. UK parties of all colours have honed this to a fine art with NHS budgets for a long time.

  23. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Space Team America: Off World Police, coming (or maybe not) to screens at a cinema near you soon to finish the job on the Norks.

    God (does he really exist ?) bless America.

    1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: finish the job on the Norks

      Sounds like a euphamism for more puppet-sex.

  24. ReadyKilowatt

    2007 Chinese anti-satellite missile test

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Chinese_anti-satellite_missile_test

    While it was overwhelmingly condemned by the international community, it still happened. Not really sure exactly what a "Space Force®" would do to prevent this sort of thing from happening, but a dedicated group working to identify a vulnerabilities and exploring defenses might be appropriate. Trump's ham-handed delivery not withstanding. Remember, he a marking guy. And marketing guys think everyone is as dumb as they are, so everything has to be a slogan or catch phrase (or hashtag).

    Again don't get caught up in this idea that somehow this was something Trump thought up all by himself. I'm sure he's had meeting with defense department officials and Boeing lobbyists who made sure this was front and center on his agenda.

    From Wikipedia: In January 2001, a (US) congressionally mandated space commission headed by Donald Rumsfeld recommended that “the U.S. government should vigorously pursue the capabilities called for in the National Space Policy to ensure that the president will have the option to deploy weapons in space to deter threats to, and, if necessary, defend against attacks on U.S. interests."

  25. Unicornpiss Silver badge
    Alert

    I could see there could be an eventual need..

    ..for a "Space Force". But, um, don't we need more actual people in space first? Or an outpost somewhere perhaps? Kind of like scoping out the land for your new home, then immediately building the swimming pool before even digging for the foundation. And when you can barely afford to dig the foundation.

  26. Danny 14 Silver badge

    Does this make new recruits 'space cadets'?

  27. Greg 38

    Does the snark cost extra or does it come with the article?

    Good job Reg at taking an interesting news-worthy article and folding snark, animus, and personal bias throughout it. Is this an audition piece for your next gig at the DailyMail?

  28. holmegm Bronze badge

    Um

    Um ... splitting space assets off into their own branch is no more inherently nonsensical than splitting the Army Air Corps off into the Air Force was.

    But yes, "orange man bad" ... I can't argue with that, er, logic ...

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Um

      Um, yeah, but the prime difference is that by the time that happened, there were actual aircraft flying all over the place and an actual air force to be called an...erm...air force.

      Currently the US has NO man rated space craft. It'd be like creating an air force in 1904.

      (news travels slowly through Govt. bureaucracy!)

  29. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    And the money to fund this is coming from the cancellation of food benefits to poor children ... you folks in the UK understand how this is done.

  30. spold Silver badge

    Just wondering....

    ...would bone spurs disqualify you from Space Force*?

    * now in supermarionation

  31. Eric Kimminau TREG

    The TDS snark is so obvious that the author is oblivious

    First, if you don't live in the USA calling the President of the USA a "child" only shows your own immaturity and that you suffer from TDS. Get a life, get some help, take a pill, have a beer and get over it. If you do live in the USA, Trump is your President and will be for 5 more years. You suffer from TDS. Get a life, get some help, take a pill, have a beer and get over it.

    Second, anyone who isn't a US citizen claiming that a wall to secure the US border is "useless" can go ask any other numerous countries that have border walls, perhaps maybe even asking Mexico why they have a wall on their southern border, why they aren't "useless". The pittance in comparison required to build the wall and secure our border will be saved by eliminating the +$70billion a year wasted on illegal aliens entering our country illegally, smuggling drugs, people and bringing in crime that the "useless" wall will prevent. You suffer from TDS. Get a life, get some help, take a pill, have a beer and get over it.

    Third, if you don't understand that the Strategic Air Command or SAC because Space Command, then became Strategic Command and is now re converging multiple activities as Space Command is neither new nor childish. https://www.stratcom.mil/About/History/

    So this entire article is a whining liberal progressive trying to assert a moronic preconceived notion about their view of the world on a grownup who is actually re-consolidating multiple military agencies into a single agency, eliminating waste and redundancy, bringing our military up to current technology after 8 years of Obama destroying the US military and Making America Great Again. Im sure, based on the 70+ snarky childish, moronic comments that supported the OP, that Im going to get a litany of twits arguing that Trump is a Criminal, the Space Command is Childish and thewall is Useless. For the final time: You suffer from TDS. Get a life, get some help, take a pill, have a beer and get over it.

    1. vaporland

      Re: The TDS snark is so obvious that the author is oblivious

      agree 100%

      you see how boris johnson kicked liberal ass tonight?

      same thing is coming to america.

      why doesn't DJT need glasses?

      because he already has 2020...

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: The TDS snark is so obvious that the author is oblivious

      If by "get a life" you mean "March in lockstep with me!", no thank you, I'll pass. The world already has more than enough of your type, we really don't need any more.

  32. Brew

    We don't need political diatribes by the Register. Sorry he's not going to be impeached. Looking forward to his second term.

    1. Jay Lenovo
      Pint

      Biting the Hand

      El Reg - Fair and balanced articles devoid of bias

      ...and there's free beer tomorrow.

  33. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921 Bronze badge

    Uranus Trumps often

  34. cirby

    Democrats run the House

    So it's the fault of Republican President Trump that the Democrats voted for the Space Force?

    1. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Democrats run the House

      Well, voted for a load of stuff that had the Space Force included.

      C.

    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Democrats run the House

      Who said it was? Not Kieren, in this article. Perhaps you should learn to read?

  35. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Space Mirror-ing

    If nobody owns space, what would you need a space force to defend? That is, unless you extend your claim to the 9x geosynchronous orbit boundary, since foundational times.

    1. Sanguma Bronze badge

      Re: Space Mirror-ing

      Problem with great power rivalry is that there's precious little thought put into it beyond the big flashy symbols of national pride - just think of the great power rivalry between the UK and the German Empire that lead to the Great War aka WWI. Anyone with a bit of sense would see that you can't do anything militarily with earth orbit besides remote sensing and communications - destroying satellites blocks those orbits from use unless the debris de-orbits quickly.

      As I say, precious little thought. According to current great power behaviour, earth orbit is neutralized, except they're rather cowardly about admitting that fact. F*cking D*ckheads every which one!!!

  36. Wzrd1

    What codswallow!

    "It’s not yet known if the Space Force will also adopt the new uniform the president has reportedly drawn on a big pad and colored-in really well."

    What nonsense!

    Total poppycock!

    Everyone knows that Trump cannot color between the lines.

    He barely mastered using a Sharpie, especially blunted to avoid unintentional self-harm.

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: What codswallow!

      That's "codswallop", or "cod's wallop" (if you're a later-day English speaker).

      [edit] My OED suggests "hogswallop" (hog's wallop) is a regional alternative, but I've never heard that one in the wild.

  37. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You lot are all cheesed off because

    the UK never properly supported Bernard Quatermass's British Rocket Group (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/quatermass/berg/aimshist.shtml and https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/British_Rocket_Group). Serve you right if Bernard hadn't bothered to keep the aliens from turning you all into Bog bits!

    And yes, I know it was just a programme, but we Americans are mad lads. It's in our DNA, we don't care if something is insane, we'll give it a go (something I think we inherited from our time under the British!) See the quotes about US doctrine from WW2:

    Soviets: "One of the serious problems in planning the fight against American doctrine, is that the Americans do not read their manuals, nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine."

    Germans: "The reason the American Army does so well in wartime is that war is CHAOS, and the American Army practices CHAOS on a daily basis"

    Americans: "If we don't know what we're doing, the Enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"

    1. Charles W.E. Johnson

      Re: You lot are all cheesed off because

      Another question is whether USAF Strategic Ballistic Missile forces will come under Space Command, a la the old Soviet Strategic Rocket Forces.

  38. Captain Obvious

    What I don't get is

    why you are opposed to a Space Force? Ideally, it is a WASTE as the Air Force should control space. HOWEVER, the country that controls space controls the planet. The country that controls the moon controls the Planet. It makes sense for the West to start colonizing the moon long before the Chinese and Russians get there - and yes they are trying because they see the strategic advantage.

    Lately, I think the comments are getting worse and worse to Daily Mail standards....

    1. codejunky Silver badge

      Re: What I don't get is

      @Captain Obvious

      "Lately, I think the comments are getting worse and worse to Daily Mail standards...."

      Being anti-western surely that would be guardian standards.

      1. Charles W.E. Johnson

        Re: What I don't get is

        Anti-American, and especially Anti-Trump, snark is how key-board monkeys who want to be called "journalist" get to hang out with the cool kids.

  39. Charles W.E. Johnson

    There are both pros and cons to a Space Force. On one hand, it is just carving out current USAF SPACECOM personnel and assets, the same way USAF was carved out from Army Air Corps in 1947 - so nothing immediately lost. On the other hand, (a) Space Force will need to compete with the other components in the budget battles; (b) other components, including current USAF, will have a competing customer relationship with Space Force, which may not align well with component priorities; and, (c) Space Force will now likely build redundant and costly administrative infrastructure, instead of availing of USAF personnel/administration/disbursing support. I'm not enamored of Space Force mainly for reasons (b) and (c), gratuitous cheap shot at President Trump notwithstanding.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Thanks Charles. You saved me a bunch of typing. All I see is another expensive bureaucracy that will be doing their level best to maximize headcount as fast as they can and a slew of military contractors lining up to sell them stuff.

  40. SouthernLogic

    Space Force

    Is that envy I hear in your voice? It wasnt until earlier this week that we even knew the UK had an astronaut, and guess what? She lives with aliens. We will create the space force... To infinity and beyond!

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