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  1. A K Stiles Silver badge

    glitchy

    There are some odd video artefacts, particularly towards the end was what stood out most to me, along with a sort of 'autotune' quality to the speech that didn't sound right. Not sure how it compares to the original footage of the real moon landing speech though.

    1. Sgt_Oddball Silver badge

      Re: glitchy

      Welcome to the uncanny Valley. Enjoy your stay...

      I do wonder though how long before we go past the uncanny valley and things look convincing that there isn't some sense of wrongness about these things.

      1. EBG

        Yeh,...

        we're just one step away from these fakes being indistinguishable from the real thing. Whether that is one small step or a giant leap, we shall see.

        1. Tom 7 Silver badge

          Re: Yeh,...

          It wont be that far off.

    2. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Re: glitchy

      I think that if that were shown to a large number of people who didn't know that it was a deepfake that more than 99% of them would accept it as real.

      The odd video artifacts would just be put down to the technology that was used to record the image back in 1969.

      1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

        Re: glitchy

        The voice sounds awful though. And Nixon had a really distinctive voice. Deep with odd over-emphasis on certain syllables. Hence the famous quote, "there'll be no whhhitewhhashh at the Whhitehouse."

        But some of that poor quality might be put down to rubbishy microphones and recordings.

    3. simonlb Silver badge

      Re: glitchy

      It still sounds more honest and trustworthy than Boris Johnson though.

      1. genghis_uk

        Re: glitchy

        For completeness...

        Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders are also available

        1. Fatman Silver badge

          Re: Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders

          I nominate the current occupant of the White House to that `club`.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders

            I think the difference is that Tricky Dicky knew he was lying

            1. Persona Bronze badge

              Re: Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders

              I've always though that being able to lie "convincingly" was the most vital skill for political leaders.

          2. Danny 2 Silver badge

            Re: Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders

            I'm beginning to think this might be a deep fake.

        2. DiViDeD Silver badge

          Re: Other dishonest and untrusworthy political party leaders are also available

          +1 for the Brexitcast reference - deliberate or no.

    4. Tom 7 Silver badge

      Re: glitchy

      Even live TV has bucket loads of artefacts these days.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    potentially radical

    "but you can imagine it might narrow in on certain features that the Chinese government have deemed potentially radical, like wearing a burqa, going to mosques too frequently, or watching forbidden videos".

    Bit like living in the USA, UK and Israel (among too many others to list) then, but don't worry. I'm sure the UK et al will do their best to be "Not left behind" (TM) or "be a world leader" (TM) in the science of "stamping on a human throat forever".

    1. DavCrav Silver badge

      Re: potentially radical

      "Bit like living in the USA, UK and Israel (among too many others to list) then, but don't worry."

      Do you have the GPS co-ordinates of the million-strong Muslim concentration camp in the UK?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: potentially radical

        52.4862° N, 1.8904° W

    2. Chris the bean counter

      Re: potentially radical

      I feel sorry for you if you hate your life so much that you think UK comparable to Communist China for Human Rights.

      I feel even sorrier that you got upvoted.

      Whataboutism just gives succor for dictators who take pleasure from useful idiots

      When I look around the world for all UK problems with homelessness etc I feel blessed to be born in Britain.

      1. Harry Stottle

        @ Chris the BeanCounter

        And you, Mr Bean Counter, are guilty of complacency (at best), or ignorance.

        Are the UKUSA authoritarians likely to attempt massive incarcarations and torture based "re-education"? No. But they're certainly guilty of and heavily invested in the technological infrastructure which makes that shit possible. It's already far more intrusive and pervasive than anything dreamed of by the Stasi.

        Their use of it will, for the time being at least, and in deference to the freeer press, be somewhat more surgical than the fucktards we're watching in China..The intimate details they are stockpiling on all citizens are already selectively mined and used to persecute the more troublesome dissidents; the ones who might make the more docile citizens sit up and take notice of what is being done in their name.

        Of course, if the current woolly generations of politicians are replaced by more aggressive authoritarians, like those we see in Hungary or Poland, the infrastructure will already be in place to weaponise the jackboot version.

        I strongly recommend "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff. It's the best researched history of what's been going on "in our name" for the past 20 years and, if it doesn't activate your opposition, I suspect you're probably already terminal.

        1. Nightkiller

          Re: @ Chris the BeanCounter

          You forgot George Soros in your list of authoritarians.

        2. Robert Grant

          Re: @ Chris the BeanCounter

          But they're certainly guilty of and heavily invested in the technological infrastructure which makes that shit possible. It's already far more intrusive and pervasive than anything dreamed of by the Stasi.

          Presence of technology doesn't imply usage. We also have nukes, only dreamt of by the Nazis, which make much worse things possible. Had them for 70 years.

          1. Rich 11 Silver badge

            Re: @ Chris the BeanCounter

            Presence of technology doesn't imply usage.

            We have used nukes. Not to kill anyone (well, not directly) but to threaten to kill. That's the intended purpose of nuclear weapons; if they were actually used to kill then they would have failed in their purpose. That's MAD for you.

            1. Charles 9 Silver badge

              Re: @ Chris the BeanCounter

              Then what happens when someone comes along who thinks MAD is a winning scenario?

              1. Rich 11 Silver badge

                Re: @ Chris the BeanCounter

                That's why Mike Pence needs to be impeached alongside his boss. We don't want him to have the wrong sort of come-to-Jesus moment.

      2. Zolko

        Re: potentially radical

        @Chris the bean counter : "I feel sorry for you if you hate your life so much that you think UK comparable to Communist China for Human Rights

        How many Uïgours have died because of the Chinese Communist Party ?

        How many Iraqis have died because of the UK political rulers ?

        Same question with NATO or USA and Libya, Syria, Afghanistan... ?

        From the Human rights perspective, the UK, USA and NATO are the worst offenders on Earth in our current times, way before Russia or China. That you're not able to see it is the worrying part here.

      3. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re: potentially radical

        My Gran used to write copper plate with her right hand despite being left handed. Her left hand was badly scarred from the beatings it took when it picked up the pen to write. Welsh was banned from being spoken for a while and legally only came back in 1992.

        China stinks but we have barely moved on from them.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: potentially radical

      Exaggeration much?

      Of course, not too much, to give you some credit....

  3. Symon Silver badge
    Terminator

    AI Go.

    "Even if I become the number one, there is an entity that cannot be defeated."

    The Go machine should have to get to the tournament by itself, and then play the game using ~20 watts for the processing CPU, the same as its human opponent. They could also add a fighting element to the game, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing . Then we'll see who's really better.

    1. Jedit
      Terminator

      "They could also add a fighting element. Then we'll see who's really better."

      You make THAT post, under THAT icon? Go computers don't know pity or mercy, and they absolutely will not stop - ever - until both players pass in succession.

      1. Chris the bean counter

        Re: "They could also add a fighting element. Then we'll see who's really better."

        Maybe the poster is an AI trying to lull us into a false sense of security

    2. LewisRage

      Re: AI Go.

      They build the computer to match the game*, if you ask them to build a computer that'll win at chess boxing they will, and then we're truely fucked. I'm already pretty scared of the demonstrations coming out of boston dynamics frankly.

      *I realise that's a bit of a simplification.

    3. Sandtitz Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: AI Go. @Symon

      "They could also add a fighting element to the game, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_boxing . Then we'll see who's really better."

      Perhaps something in the vein of Archon or the sequel Archon II: Adept?

    4. Nick Gisburne

      Re: AI Go.

      New rules - you have to present your legal birth certificate for ID, shake hands with your opponent, and sit on a standard-sized chair at the game table, where you will be required to physically move your pieces without outside assistance. That should stop the robots competing... for at least a couple of months.

      But seriously, why is he giving up because an 'entity' can beat him? The fastest female sprinter doesn't stop competing just because she will never beat the fastest male, who himself will never beat the fastest greyhound. You compete like for like, to be the best in your field. In Go, this man is the best HUMAN Go player.

      1. holmegm Bronze badge

        Re: AI Go.

        "But seriously, why is he giving up because an 'entity' can beat him? The fastest female sprinter doesn't stop competing just because she will never beat the fastest male, who himself will never beat the fastest greyhound. You compete like for like, to be the best in your field. In Go, this man is the best HUMAN Go player."

        Yeah, it's odd.

        Nobody spells better than a dictionary, but we still have spelling bees.

        1. Charles 9 Silver badge

          Re: AI Go.

          Not really. It's probably not FUN anymore. And if it ain't fun, what's the damn point?

        2. Aussie Doc
          Boffin

          Re: AI Go.

          Yeah, but some of those bees are pretty smart. Safety gear on --->

      2. jgarbo
        Unhappy

        Re: AI Go.

        And no more swimming. Dolphins are faster. I retire...

      3. Danny 2 Silver badge

        Re: AI Go.

        I gave up being civilised when Civilization 3 beat me.

    5. Zolko

      Re: AI Go.

      "The Go machine should have to get to the tournament by itself, and then play the game using ~20 watts for the processing CPU"

      yes, I've thought about that too: they should be self-powered, recognise the board with their own cameras, and put/move the stones themselves. I'd wonder if they still beat humans in such a setup.

      1. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re: AI Go.

        But humans need 200 watts to keep running so perhaps we should cut brains out and they can fight it out on the 20w limit,

        1. John H Woods

          Re: AI Go.

          200W seems a bit high, you'd need over 4000 kcal/day to sustain that.

          1 MET*, at normal rest, is about 1.16 W/kg: I think you might get to 1.5METs (140W for an 80kg person) by thinking hard but I doubt you could break 2.0 without a lot of fidgeting (be an interesting experiment though!).

          * Metabolic Equivalent of Task

  4. stuartnz

    Poor PR people

    "Congratulations if you can name all countries and regions of origin: I couldn't!" Really? It wasn't even difficult, though I did have to think for a moment or two to place Hausa. I feel a bit sorry for press droids who have to spout patter like that, playing dumb in an effort to talk up some new product or service. The chances that she really didn't know seems lower than my chances of being elected Queen of North Korea.

    1. Lazlo Woodbine

      Re: Poor PR people

      Firstly, Julien is a male name, so it would be he, not she, but as always, best to use they to avoid mistakes.

      Secondly, I'm afraid your sense of superiority is showing, most people would not know where Hausa is spoken...

      1. Reader2435

        Re: Poor PR people

        He's trying to get a job on Fun With Flags, presented by Sheldon Cooper.

      2. DavCrav Silver badge

        Re: Poor PR people

        "Firstly, Julien is a male name, so it would be he, not she, but as always, best to use they to avoid mistakes."

        First, not firstly. And that's a run-on sentence.

        Are you doing this on every article? That's two in 24 hours.

        1. Lazlo Woodbine

          Re: Poor PR people

          Firstly is a more formal way to introduce the first point, so thanks for showing your ignorance of English grammar.

          Secondly, I'll happily point out wherever someone mis-genders a person thank you very much, especially when it specifically mentions the person's gender in the article...

          1. DavCrav Silver badge

            Re: Poor PR people

            "Firstly is a more formal way to introduce the first point, so thanks for showing your ignorance of English grammar."

            Firstly is not more formal. Indeed, I used to use this, but was discouraged from writing firstly by the copyeditors of the books and articles I have published over the years. Maybe they were all wrong...

            I also just think it's a bit of a sad existence to hunt the Register forums looking for someone who accidentally used the wrong pronoun.

            1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

              Re: Poor PR people

              Zerothly would be the formal way to introduce the first point

          2. stuartnz

            Re: Poor PR people

            I'd like to thank you for reminding me to use the epicene "they". It's actually my pronoun of choice, and in days gone by I used to advocate for it with "someone's WRONG on the internet" kind of zeal. My lapse in my first post was sloppy, and out of character. Thanks.

    2. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Paris Hilton

      Re: Poor PR people

      I couldn't place a lot of them, but I guessed at various parts of Africa... which was about right. Plus various Persian derivatives.

      But being able to identify countries that speak various less-common languages doesn't seem like a normal requirement for a PR role, so I'm not sure what your point its. Other than as a bit of willy-waving. Bravo for that.

      1. stuartnz

        Re: Poor PR people

        Languages are my hobby and I enjoy learning about them. I'm no expert, just a passionate dilettante (possibly an oxymoron).When I see content relating to a subject I love learning and talking about, I post in response, as do other readers here when the subject matter is one they either know a lot about or are deeply interested in, or both. I also genuinely find it unlikely that the PR department did not have information on the primary location and L1 speaker population of each of those languages. Having that information available to use in pitching or promoting the service would seem to be a normal requirement for a PR role, to me.

        1. LewisRage

          Re: Poor PR people

          The irony in claiming above average knowledge of languages and demonstrating a below average ability to use them

  5. imanidiot Silver badge
    Trollface

    Nixon speech

    Let's see how long it takes for the hoaxers to come out of the woodworks to claim: "See, they prerecorded even the failure speech, it was all fake".

    1. Charles 9 Silver badge

      Re: Nixon speech

      Just start going, "No, the the recording of the fake is a fake. Meaning everything's a fake of a fake of a fake of a fake ad nauseum. In which case, is all of reality fake?" Answering that will force them to decide on all of reality, one way or the other.

      1. hopkinse

        Re: Nixon speech

        It's the mice, I tell you, it's the mice...

        Frankie: Hey Benjy, this is getting pretty boring. The Humans don't seem to be any closer to the Answer. Shall we have some fun?

        Benjy: How paranoid can we make them?

  6. sorry, what?
    Joke

    Didn't sound at all like Nixon... and I know...

    I've listened to loads of what he has to say... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDTiZoWWvG8

  7. Claverhouse Silver badge
    Meh

    Crackles

    Doesn't seem to be a deepfake if one just hires an actor to read out words to be recorded: which was possible in 1900 AD.

    "And now, the Last Message to the Empire, recorded days before her passing by our late most Gracious Queen, wishing all a Happy Christmas and an excellent New Year."

    .

    And if a machine defeats a champion in any game, he's still the champion since a machine has no knowledge of what's it's doing; lacking both motivation and sentience.

  8. herman Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    Forest Gump

    Old hat really. Kennedy's face was manipulated for his interaction with Forest Gump.

  9. OGShakes

    Faking it

    I wonder how long till someone makes a tool to face normal people being on a vid conference, it would save me about 4 hours a day of pointless meetings....

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Faking it

      What happens if both sides in the meeting are doing this ?

      Perhaps that's what has stopped the robot uprising - all the terminators are in all-hands meetings being updated on new leveraged synergies

  10. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Beaten by a machine

    I have given up on my marathon running after being beaten by a bicycle

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Beaten by a machine

      I have given up on my marathon running after being beaten by a bicycle

      I would too if I got punched that bad by a bicycle while running.

      /coat

  11. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

    If this is peak DeepFake (PeakFake?), I'm not worried. 2 hours in an editing booth would have this knocked out, AI or no AI.

    To me, DeepFakes become worrying when they're indistinguishable not only by humans but also by machines trained to analyse fakery. We're a couple years off that point.

    1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

      No, Deep Fake is worrying when any fsktard with 30 seconds spare can generate them.

      A bit like drones in that respect, old school RC planes and helicopters took skill and experience to master, new drones can be used by any moron (and some are).

  12. Joe Gurman

    Can't imagine....

    ....why the clever folks didn't have Nixon admitting, "Yes, I am a crook." Trump might have believed it, and followed suit.

  13. Aussie Doc
    Coat

    So...

    There AI Go, then?

    Sorry, I'll grab my coat on the way out.

  14. SVV Silver badge

    World's best Go player retires after losing to AI

    Going...... Going.......... Gone!

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