back to article Rekognition still racist, politicians desperate over deepfakes, and a good reason to go to (some) music festivals

Here's our latest summary of AI news beyond what we've already covered. It’s all about two favourite topics in machine learning today: facial recognition and deepfakes. Over 40 festivals pledge to not use facial recognition: A campaign against facial recognition led by the nonprofit Fight for the Future has led to over 40 …

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  2. LDS Silver badge
    Devil

    "footage made up of about 74 percent female and 26 percent male subjects;"

    Why this makes me thing it's mostly porn?

  3. Khaptain Silver badge

    "The videos contains footage made up of about 74 percent female and 26 percent male subjects; and 68 percent Caucasian, 20 percent African-American, 9 percent east-Asian, and 3 percent south-Asian people. In order to train robust detection models, it’s important that the training dataset is diverse."

    Diverse as in

    : The majority of deepfakes are currently of Women + Porn hence 74 percent female. ( Although that will change as the technology becomes politically usefull).

    : 9 percent east-Asian, and 3 percent south-Asian people. - What kind of percentages are these supposed to emulate, simulate...

    : 68 Percent caucasian. So we are talking diversity in relation to the USA I presume, not as a representation of the world....

    Shouldn't diversity relate to a global scale rather than a local scale.. The dataset could then filter down to local requirements as need be, rather the hoping that the local dataset could be extrapolated to a worldwide scale.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      FAIL

      7 out of 10 are white people and you tout the diversity horn ? Who do you think you're kidding ?

      If there was actual diversity, it should be 20% african, 10% arab, 10% asian, 10% indian, 10% chinese, 20% south american and 20% caucasian (I think that about covers it all). You can adjust the percentage points as you see fit, but 68% caucasian is a massive bias towards white people. Again.

      And, given that white people are apparently rather easy to recognize, other ethnicities should be getting the lion's share of that database.

      1. Ropewash

        You do know there are more Indians living in India than there are caucasians on the entire planet...

        I think they warrant a bit more than 10%.

  4. imanidiot Silver badge
    Trollface

    "There shouldn’t be any. But nearly one-in-six athletes were mistakenly identified."

    So, about the same as human performance then?

    1. Muscleguy Silver badge

      Re: "There shouldn’t be any. But nearly one-in-six athletes were mistakenly identified."

      Being serious it's likely that as in the medical cases the AI will make different mistakes from the humans. A cancer detecting AI working on scans worked that way, different errors than the doctors tended to make. So they use both of them and together the mistakes are greatly reduced.

      That is how AI should work, like all computing it should be an adjunct to human intelligence, not a replacement for it. Something that Japanese hotel with the robot staff should learn.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Genuinely saddened

    That any person or group of people need explaining to how fakes (of any type really) can be used to trick them (and subsequent consequences).

    Guess we're back onto unknown knowns territory :-/

  6. c1ue

    Progress! At least the black athletes are being identified as human, albeit criminal human.

    The earlier AI machine eyes were seeing gorillas...

  7. Muscleguy Silver badge

    The old saw of garbage in garbage out seems to apply to AI and it is clear shortcuts have been taken the AI's are idiots as a result.

    The real research into genuine AI instead of Big Data which is what this should be called came to the conclusion that a genuine AI will have to be taught much like a child is and as Larkin taught us this introduces its own biases. Even if get the first genuine AI's to teach the new ones that will just set the biases in concrete.

  8. Steven Guenther

    Did they check family members

    Did they check to see if the congress critters had family members in the 20k criminal pool?

    What about the pro athletes? I have siblings that could pass for me. My cousins look a lot like my sister.

    Out to just immediate family might be an interesting question for facial recognition.

    I do see burkas being more popular in the future.

  9. Garymrrsn
    Coat

    I wonder if covering our faces with Vantablack might send the facial recognition salesmen back to the drawing board.

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      re: Covering your face with Vantablack

      Doing that is 100% guaranteed to derail any career you might once have had as numberous Actors, Politicians and Sportsmen can testify even if it was 20+ years ago.

      Facial recog or no facial recog you have to recognise Political Correctness when you see it.

      Now if everyone did it it might be enough to make the various TLA's think again but somehow the facial recognition genie is out of the bottle and won't be going back despire various places outlawing it.

      1. Francis Boyle Silver badge

        Re: re: Covering your face with Vantablack

        'blackface' ≠ 'black face'

    2. Khaptain Silver badge

      An alternative to Vantablack might be to paint your face in the same manner as they do with new concept vehicules, kinda zebra like, it supposedly stops cameras from being able to detect the exact form , shape ..

      Example https://www.autoblog.com/2014/11/07/how-and-why-automakers-work-hard-to-camouflage-their-cars/

      1. TomPhan

        Dazzle camouflage (which is where the phrase "razzle dazzle" came from).

  10. Chris G Silver badge

    Considering that when businesses like FB are giving something away they are making the recipient a part of their product, I would be reluctant to accept their dataset at face value.

    Particularly when , as many have pointed out, the structure is at minimum questionable.

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