back to article This fall, Ubuntu 19.10 stars as Eoan Ermine in... Dawn of the Stoats

Canonical has released Ubuntu 19.10, codenamed Eoan Ermine for some reason. Ubuntu 19.10 is only supported until July 2020. The next LTS (Long Term Support) release will be 20.04 next year. Businesses using Ubuntu in production may prefer to wait for 20.04, for which 19.10 serves as a useful preview. Based on the Linux 5.3 …

  1. Blane Bramble

    "That said, Train does include live migration extensions,"

    You mean like we've been using for the last 4-5 years?

  2. Tom7

    Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

    The link still only shows 18.04 LTS and 19.04 downloads.

    1. Notas Badoff

      Re: Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

      True as of now. Found a release notes page, yet links from there also "Not Found - The requested URL was not found on this server."

      I guess Ubuntu is published somewhere west of Hawaii?

      1. Tom7

        Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

        See here

        1. caffeine addict Silver badge

          Re: Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

          "It will get released when it's ready"

          I'd like to hope it was ready before the press release went out.

          What am I saying? Hell, most of the big boys don't manage to get it ready until days after release...

          1. Ken Hagan Gold badge

            Re: Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

            "I'd like to hope it was ready before the press release went out."

            Still waiting for the "Ready" release of Windows 10...

    2. diodesign (Written by Reg staff) Silver badge

      Re: Someone hit the publish button a bit early?

      It's there now.

      C.

  3. Anonymous Coward
  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Announcement sounds good on the face of it, but is it just weasel words?

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

      Announcement sounds good on the face of it, but is it just weasel words?

      I'm sure you'll ferret it out.

    2. MiguelC Silver badge

      No, no, no, Weasel Words is an old version.

      I'm still using Stupid Scapegoat myself...

      1. Stevie Silver badge

        Stupid Scapegoat

        My dear chap, you simply must migrate to Rabid Raccoon ASAP if you want to retain any credibility in the community.

        1. Ian 55

          Re: Stupid Scapegoat

          I still miss the nudes from Warty Warthog.

          1. Montreal Sean
            Coat

            Re: Stupid Scapegoat

            "I still miss the nudes from Warty Warthog."

            Personally, I'm waiting to upgrade until Salacious Salamander is released.

            I hear it will put Warty to shame.

            1. dajames Silver badge

              Re: Stupid Scapegoat

              Personally, I'm waiting to upgrade until Salacious Salamander is released.

              I have high hopes for Perfect Penguin ...

              1. jelabarre59 Silver badge

                Re: Stupid Scapegoat

                Maybe this time around on the "H" release, we can get "HungryHungry Hippo"?

      2. Marketing Hack Silver badge
        Go

        "No, no, no, Weasel Words is an old version."

        Are you sure? Deployment of this version could be an important upgrade, and I want to make sure you have stoatal recall on the subject.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Stoatally.

  5. AntiSol
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    32bit

    This is not altogether a bad thing,

    Yes, it is.

    since it may prompt developers to work at removing 32-bit dependencies.

    Lol, yeah good luck with that. 90% of game devs are not going to do a new Linux build for a game they released even 5 years ago. And even if some miracle occurred to make that happen for those games, good luck getting Epic to do a 64bit build of Unreal Tournament 99. And then there's Descent 3, Alpha Centauri, and a whole bunch of other amazing old games.

    Equally, users who value compatibility more than the new features in 19.10 should probably stick to 19.04 or alternative distros.

    Yep, this will be the straw that finally breaks the camel's back and forces me to another distro.

    It saddens me that Ubuntu feels the need to destroy Linux gaming right at the moment when we have the best gaming ecosystem and the most releases we've ever had. And all just because they're too lazy to bother maintaining this stuff. I just hope that gamers and devs can find a new flagship distro for Linux gaming, rather than seeing our ecosystem shrink.

    1. Jim Mitchell

      Re: 32bit

      "too lazy"? If you want to do the required work for free I'm sure somebody would listen.

      1. Carpet Deal 'em Bronze badge

        Re: 32bit

        Multilib is little more than configure-/compile-time flags. There's next to no reason to not support beyond contempt.

        1. Ian 55

          Re: 32bit

          You seen the attitude of 95% of game developers to old, not generating big profits, games?

    2. Mage Silver badge
      Unhappy

      Re: 32bit

      It's not just about gaming.

      It's about old applications that no-one is developing further.

      People used to go on to other things or die or whatever and the application works well enough and has no equivalent. It's niche or needs special expertise in some field other than programming. So it's NEVER EVER going to have 32 bit dependencies removed or even be a 64 bit version.

      I've 20+ year old software that no-one is going to write replacements for. Some works fine on 32 bit WINE on Linux but on no 64 bit version of Windows.

      1. dvd

        Re: 32bit

        Indeed. My printer only has 32 bit drivers available and already it only works with excessive amounts of farting about to get the dependencies in place. And Dell isn't ever going to do 64 bit versions - as far as they're concerned it's obsolete.

        This decision may be the last straw; the death knell for my printer. It's a decision that's going to cause distribution migration or landfill.

    3. Mike 137 Bronze badge

      Re: 32bit

      Quite apart from games, there are plenty of essential 32 bit open source tools for niche tasks that have never been (and may never be) "upgraded" to 64 bit.

      Linux was originally free of enforced churn, but now it's just effectively becoming an alternative flavour of windows. Unless your revenue stream depends on backward incompatibility there's no legitimate reason to enforce it (even supposing that's a legitimate reason). The argument that backward compatibility causes problems for developers just says a lot about the developers.

  6. Zolko

    USB drives ? Seriously ?

    "New features in the Eoan desktop include slicker support for USB drives"

    Wow, time-travel. Being able to seamlessly manage USB drives in 1995 is quite a feat. Sure beats Windows95. I wonder how they'll do in ... let's think far away ... 2019 ?

    1. Ian 55

      Re: USB drives ? Seriously ?

      What could possibly go wrong with allowing people to plug in a USB drive and have something on it autorun?

      1. Mage Silver badge

        Re: USB drives ? Seriously ?

        Why there has EVER been an option to turn that on, on Linux mystifies me. As was CD auto run and net drive auto run on Windows, given that the Amiga floppy autorun virus already existed.

        Why are people copying all the stupid stuff always?

    2. Mage Silver badge

      Re: USB drives ? Seriously ?

      Windows 95 originally in 1995 didn't have USB at all! USB support came in a later release. There may have been three or four Win95 versions before Win98.

      NT4.0 (1996) unlike Win95, Win98 and Win ME was a real OS and only had USB in a preview that might have been in the last service pack that was cancelled to help the Win2000 sales. The Preview USB driver did work with Win2K USB devices, though often you had to install on Win2K and copy because the developers were STILL checking OS version strings instead of what features might be ON the particular revision of the OS. Rumoured to be why NT 9.x was skipped. Though Win7 was really Win 6.something. Win 8.0 should have been Win NT 7.0

      Since Apple has been on OS 10 since about 2002, I guess MS will stick with 10. The other extreme is applications like Firefox.

      1. AntiSol

        Re: USB drives ? Seriously ?

        There were two (official) ways to get USB support on windows 95. Probably the easiest was to upgrade to OSR2, which included a bunch of fixes and stuff including USB drivers (and was about where Microsoft OS's peaked IMO, though an good case can be made for XP). But there was also a USB driver kit that you could install separately and get support on the vanilla version of win95. The issue was getting hold of it - these were the days when most people didn't have Internet at home. I remember downloading it at school and zipping it onto a bunch of floppies.

        These were also the days when nobody had standardised anything yet, so 95% of USB devices, even mundane ones like thumb drives, came with a driver disk. I seem to recall that the Microsoft USB drivers only drove the USB port itself, they didn't include support for things like USB thumb drives. You'd have to install the USB drivers, then install the drivers that came with your thumb drive, and then you'd be able to use any thumb drive.

  7. Mage Silver badge
    Devil

    Diminished Compatibility with 32 bit

    Complete idiots drinking Apple and Microsoft kool aid!

  8. swm Silver badge

    Can snap be eliminated?

    I see no use for "snap". It messes up "df" and slows boot time for applications I never run.

    1. ovation1357

      Re: Can snap be eliminated?

      I hear you regarding 'df' all those loopback mounts are a mess. However in principle snap does offer the benefit of being able to package once for an architecture and then run on 'any' distro without worrying about dependencies.

      I like the principle but I feel the implementation needs improvement.

      1. Warm Braw Silver badge

        Re: Can snap be eliminated?

        I like the principle but I feel the implementation needs improvement

        I find the ever-growing list of interfaces that give snaps access to system resources to be both confusing and unnecessarily restrictive. For example, I have a DLNA server running as a snap to which the "removable-media" interface is connected so that I can access media files outside the snap container: but only under /media or /mnt, not a path of my choosing. I run TVHeadend as a snap, too, but it doesn't have a "removable-media" option, so on the rare occasions I use it for recording, the file has to be moved out of the snap container for the DLNA server to be able to access it.

        Given all the work that has been done on containerisation, I can't help feeling there should be a neater solution to using and sharing resources.

  9. James 51 Silver badge

    Maybe this version will work nicer with my 2400G. It's so frustrating, the demo dvd works but once I install I get an error message and a prompt. Just haven't had the time to sort it out.

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