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A garbled remark by President Donald Trump in a just-released phone-call transcript with the Ukrainian head of state has focused attention on cloudy security shop CrowdStrike. America's conspiracy-theorist-in-chief name-dropped Silicon Valley's CrowdStrike during a July chat with Ukranian President Volodymyr Zelensky, which …

  1. John 104

    So....

    He intimated about a previous investigation but not really and the FBI already has this evidence? Not sure what they are going for here, other than to make themselves look like a bunch of sore losers - still.

  2. A random security guy

    President of the US clueless

    First he is clueless about the tech

    Next he shows how clueless he is to a foreign head of state

    Furthermore the foreign head of state praises him and has him eating out of his hands

    Then he gives Ukraine $400m in military aid to attack his competitor's son in exchange for the investigation. $400m of our money.

    1. Benson's Cycle

      Re: President of the US clueless

      One might conclude from this that Trump thought Ukraine politicians were corrupt, which coincidentally is what Putin keeps saying.

      1. Jaybus

        Re: President of the US clueless

        Politician == corrupt is true, so it is an obvious and not very useful conclusion.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: President of the US clueless

      $400m is nothing, hear Joe Biden brag about getting the ukranian prosecutor fired by threatening to withhold $1bn during his tenure as VP and stupidly bragging about it.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXA--dj2-CY

      1. Marketing Hack Silver badge
        Meh

        Re: President of the US clueless

        Yes, for good or ill, use of these kinds of pressure are stock and trade in international relations. Neither Trump nor Biden covered themselves in glory on this. (Why was Biden's son, a discharged military officer with no experience in the energy industry, getting $50K per month from a Ukrainian energy oligarch?)'

        Basically, if your government is a foreign aid donor, the only reason you haven't heard about how this aid is leveraged to get recipient governments to make military, personnel, policy and economic decisions in your country's favor is because these calls are usually kept confidential.

        1. el kabong Silver badge

          A slavic oligarch is the exact equivalent of a western successful businessman

          Oligarch and businessman are two equivalent terms, you can use them interchangeably.

          Tsar and emperor are in a similar situation, tsar being the preferred title for a slavic emperor.

          1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

            Re: A slavic oligarch is the exact equivalent of a western successful businessman

            No it is not, since you specify in the title of your post a "successful businessman", meaning one who has made a lot of money.

            And that is still not true, since the notion of oligarchy implies a small group of people who are thus called oligarchs.

            Elon Musk is a very successful businessman, but he is not an oligarch. He rules alone.

            1. el kabong Silver badge

              You are using an obsolete definition of oligarch, please update.

              Western media redefined the term oligarch, the notion you are still using has been deprecated, please update.

          2. Dedobot

            Re: A slavic oligarch is the exact equivalent of a western successful businessman

            Tsar is a Ceasar in "barbarian" languages. Peter the Great was wrongly informed from his pals that tzar is just a slav king , so Peter I adopted emperor instead of tzar and punished badly folks who still call him tzar:)

            P.S. Bunch of Roman rulers was "Ceasers" until end of the paxromana where they switched to emperor and added autocrat later .

            Autocrat is what I like mostly :)

        2. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          Neither Trump nor Biden covered themselves in glory on this.

          This is going to be a huge gift to Trump who will now be able to claim that he was investigating corruption going against the status quo and it'll give more credence to his rants that the corporate media are fake news.

          The Dem.party may have just handed the election to Trump.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: President of the US clueless

            The Dem.party may have just handed the election to Trump.

            That is what they were trying to do by running the ancient relic Biden.

            1. LDS Silver badge
              Devil

              "That is what they were trying to do by running the ancient relic Biden."

              But he's the only one who is not alarming rich donors!

      2. james_smith Bronze badge

        Re: President of the US clueless

        Biden was tasked with pressuring the Ukrainian government to sack the chief prosecutor because said prosecutor was widely known to be corrupt. If Biden had anything to hide then antagonising the chief procesuctor wasn't in his personal interest, since the case against the company that employed his son had already been dropped.

        1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          Yep and it's pure coincidence that the sacking of this prosecutor stopped the corruption investigation that included his son.

          I've this really nice bridge here. Only one previous owner. I'll make you a good deal.

          1. james_smith Bronze badge

            Re: President of the US clueless

            You must have trouble reading - the investigation into the firm that employed Biden's son had ended *before* Biden was tasked with pressuring the Ukrainian government to dismiss the chief prosecutor. If anything, that presiure was more likely to reopen the investigation, so it certainly wasn't in Biden's personal interest but he appears to have put US interests before his own.

            1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

              Re: President of the US clueless

              You must have trouble reading

              No trouble reading, just trouble accepting factless bullshit at face value. Unlike you apparently.

              If anything, that presiure was more likely to reopen the investigation

              So, how is this new investigation going? Oh wait, I'll tell you, the new prosecutor settled with the corrupt company out of court. I can see how this is a major setback to Hunter Biden....

              it certainly wasn't in Biden's personal interest but he appears to have put US interests before his own.

              Wahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

              Sorry could not muster a more serious reaction to this. You must be new here (on planet Earth).

              That bridge is still there if you want it. I'll take 10% off, just for you.

              1. james_smith Bronze badge

                Re: President of the US clueless

                The case wasn't settled out of court - the case was dropped before any pressure was put on the Ukraine to sack the chief prosecutor, who was widely regarded as corrupt by UK, France and Germany as well as the US. As a result it's "factless bullshit" to refer to the company as "corrupt". This was covered in detailed reports from The Washington Post and others.

                1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

                  Re: President of the US clueless

                  Coming up with the 'Saddam Hoessein has WMDs' and 'reliable sources say' washington post as your source of truth?

                  After the first prosecutor was sacked, the new prosecutor reopened the case and settled.put of court.

                  Doe your own research from somewhat more reliable sources than the corporate media.

                  Are you very sure you don't want that bridge?

                2. caradoc

                  Re: President of the US clueless

                  "who was widely regarded as corrupt by UK, France and Germany as well as the US."

                  As they would, as it was necessary to rescue Biden, (from his son's activities)

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                1. JimboSmith Silver badge

                  Re: President of the US clueless

                  You' may not be aware that the former Ukranian Foreign Minister Pavlo Klimkin has categorically rejected the US President's claims. He says the prosecutor Mr Shokin was sacked for corruption, and a number of Western bodies including the EU had pushed for his sacking.

        2. sprograms

          Re: President of the US clueless

          It is provably untrue that the investigation of Burisma and its owner, Zlochevsky, had been dropped before Joe Biden intervened. On February 2nd the prosecutor had Zlochevsky's residence raided and evidence collected. A few days later Joe Biden made the first of five phone calls to Poroshenko. In March he flew to Ukraine to make his demand, "fire the prosecutor general or you don't get the billion in loan guarantees" (which Biden had lobbied for in the US, BTW).

          Furthermore, VP Biden's repeated statements that Shokin was replaced by a "great guy" is untrue. Shokin's replacement is currently under investigation for corruption. No surprise.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: President of the US clueless

        they should play such clips to every fool who believes that "they" are despicable, and our side is all cuddly and fair.

    3. Marketing Hack Silver badge

      Re: President of the US clueless

      @random security guy

      Trump didn't give the Ukraine the money, Congress did through the appropriation process. The accusation is that Trump held up the delivery of the money to induce Ukraine to investigate Biden's son.

      I'm no Trump fan, but the phone call transcript reads a lot more like usual international relations between a donor and a recipient, plus usual political shenanigans (The Trump Russian collusion investigation had ties to British nationals using some of their official contacts in Britain's civil service and government to gather some of the initial dossier on Trump.) It's scummy, but if you had a magic wand to wave to stop it from happening, there would be a lot of people in Democratic Party politics left without enough to keep them busy as well.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: but the phone call transcript ...

        An article in the Independent notes that the "transcript" isn't really a transcript, and has a number of "..."'s, implying missing content.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: but the phone call transcript ...

          An article in the Independent notes that the "transcript" isn't really a transcript, and has a number of "..."'s, implying missing content.

          Or it could just mean a pause... which is a normal convention. The transcript notes that it uses <inaudible> for bits it can't hear/transcribe correctly. Or as wiki puts it-

          Depending on their context and placement in a sentence, ellipses can indicate an unfinished thought, a leading statement, a slight pause, an echoing voice, or a nervous or awkward silence.

          Which is more in keeping with Trump's style (ie unfinished thoughts and flitting all over the place).

        2. mr_souter_Working

          Re: but the phone call transcript ...

          yes - it's not a transcript - it even says so in the document

          CAUTION: A Memorandum of a Telephone Conversation.· (TELCON) is not a verbatim transcript of a

          discussion. The text in this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty

          "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned t_o listen.and memorialize the conversation in written form

          as the conversation takes place. A numper of factors can affect 'the accuracy of the reco�d,

          including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation.

          The word "inaudible" is used to indifate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable

          to hear.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: President of the US clueless

        "I'm no Trump fan, but" WHY REALLY, YES, I AM, AND WHATABOUT, AND BOTH SIDES!

        Seriously. And using the word "usual", as if you've been reading summaries of White House conversations daily since Bush Sr was president...

      3. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        Re: President of the US clueless

        Trump didn't give the Ukraine the money, Congress did through the appropriation process. The accusation is that Trump held up the delivery of the money to induce Ukraine to investigate Biden's son.

        I don't see any mention of conditional funding, and Zelenskyy also mentioned they're thinking of buying more weapons. AFAIK there was an initial funding appropriation, then some curtailment due to the US not wanting money/weapons/training going to some of Ukraine's far-right groups like the 'Azov Battalion' or 'Right Sector', which started out as paramilitaries, but then got folded into Ukraine's military under Poroshenko's government. Given they're rather.. extreme, that's arguably not a good thing. But a big political challenge for Zelenskyy.

        I'm no Trump fan, but the phone call transcript reads a lot more like usual international relations between a donor and a recipient, plus usual political shenanigans (The Trump Russian collusion investigation had ties to British nationals using some of their official contacts in Britain's civil service and government to gather some of the initial dossier on Trump.)

        Agreed. It was also interesting to see the comments about the EU's support for Ukraine, which hasn't necessarily lived up to the hopes & dreams offered pre-coup. So it lost Russia as a trading partner, and discovered that the EU has quotas in agriculture that limit what Ukraine can trade with the rest of the EU.

        As for the CrowdStrike bit, that seems a bit odd.. But the whole 'Russiagate' thing was very messy, including the alleged DNC 'hack' that CrowdStrike allegedly investigated. I also suspect Ukrainians had a hand in Steele's dossier and sourced some of the allegations in that. Ukraine wasn't & isn't exactly a fan of Russia at the moment, so probably quite happy to smear it's opponent. Plus there was also an investigation by CrowdStrike into hacking & compromising Ukrainian artillery systems. And Ukraine has quite a few skilled IT people, both developers & hackers, so the question may have been to find out more about those activities.

        The transcript seems to differ from the original whistleblower allegations quite substantially though, so it'll be interesting to see if the impeachment inquiry sheds more light on whether that was a political act, or an act of conscience.. And of course whether the Biden's role(s) in Ukraine was appropriate and lawful.

        1. Marketing Hack Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          I doubt the impeachment inquiry is going to touch on the Biden family in any way. Nor do I think it should. Biden's son and maybe VP Biden himself deserve to be investigated for various forms of influence peddling, but if that investigation happens and what jurisdiction does that, it should definitely be outside the impeachment inquiry.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: President of the US clueless

            I doubt the impeachment inquiry is going to touch on the Biden family in any way. Nor do I think it should.

            I think it'll have to as it's central to the inquiry, ie that Trump used the call to find dirt on a political opponent. Then there's the allegations in the whistleblower transcript which make the same accusations, and that the content was political, not any national security matter.

            I disagree with that given Biden's past role as VP, and current role as Democrat candidate. If Biden acted unlawfully and used his position to get his son the Burisma deal, the $1bn Chinese deal or the Iraq housing deal for his brother, then that has a strong whiff of corruption, or at least serious conflicts of interest. That is a legal & national security matter, even though it's also political given Biden's candidacy. I think that also justifies the classification of the call that the whistleblower objected to given the sensitivity, and also the way anti-Trump stuff has a habit of leaking from the White House. Then of course there are the allegations that Obama used Federal resources to investigate Trump, without being threatened with impeachment.

            But the Burisma issue is all rather murky. So Mykola Zlochevsky founded the company and then issued oil & gas licences to his own company whilst being Ukraine's Ecology Minister. Various investigations into that have been started & stopped, but seems rather dubious.. But then that's always been a problem for Ukraine with it's oligarchs fighting (often literally) over control of those oil/gas revenues.

            That I think is an issue Ukraine really needs to investigate and clean up, but obviously politically sensitive, especially given Biden's public statement about getting the previous prosecutor fired. But given the state of Ukraine's economy and EU/IMF pressures, it could be a good thing if corruption investigations succeed, and Burisma's holdings are re-nationalised. But that's potentially risky within the EU, as Greece discovered.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: President of the US clueless

      I think you will find that the subsidy he gave was a continuation of the Obama. 350 M in military aid in 2014, a further 75 in non-lethal military aid. a total of 1.3 billion dollars in aid in 2014 & 15. The 350 wasnt spent - it was frozen by Obama when congress got nervous about pissing of the russians.

      Quote:

      https://razomforukraine.org/projects/policyreport/overview-of-u-s-policy-on-ukraine/

      "Aside from the debate over lethal aid, the U.S. has provided $1.3 billion for security, reform, and technical assistance since the beginning of the Revolution.6 Security support makes up $600 million of this aid, providing body armor, vehicles, night and thermal vision devices, medical equipment, heavy engineering equipment, radios, patrol boats, rations, tents, and counter-mortar radars."

      and

      Since 2014, USAID and the State Department provided $135 million in humanitarian aid, including food, medical supplies, shelter, and logistics assistance

      [/quote]

      Hunter Byden directly 'earned' as a non exec director of the Ukranian gas producer Burisma Holdings $1.3M dollars, and potentially comission for much more - estimated at around 240M dollars.

      He was ciritized at the time by the obama administration for a conflict of interest (he had resigned Amtrack for that reason when dad first became Vice Pres) - but not censured publicly.

      BTW, the 370 M frozen by the US was the unspent military aid which Obama had earlier frozen in the lethal weapons component of the 1.3B - which was done to avoid pissing of Russia at the time. The difference is teh interest and inflation adjustment.

    5. devTrail Bronze badge

      Re: President of the US clueless

      When the actor (pardon politician) does the wrong thing on purpose cluelessness, incompetence, stupidity and so on are the usual cover up.

      1. phuzz Silver badge

        Re: President of the US clueless

        I'm assuming you're talking about the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, who used to be an actor?

        In fact, he's most well known as the lead actor in "Servant of the People", a comedy where a man with no history in politics becomes the President of Ukraine.

        He then followed this by becoming the President of Ukraine.

        Really! He got 74% of the vote.

        My only conclusion from this, is that Peter Capaldi will shortly be going to work as a spin doctor in Westminster.

        1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          Have you ever heard of Ronald Reagan?

          1. phuzz Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: President of the US clueless

            There's many, many, actors who've become politicians, but Ronnie was never in a film where a b-rate actor became President.

            It's the case of life imitating art that amuses me. In the US this would be more like Martin Sheen becoming President, right after filming the West Wing.

            1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

              Re: President of the US clueless

              And Reagan had held other political office, and we now know (thanks to analysis of his papers) that he was a policy wonk, who did extensive research and analysis of various issues in the years before cognitive decline caught up with him. I'm not a fan of Reagan's politics and policies, but it's simply inaccurate to characterize him as "just an actor".

              1. phuzz Silver badge

                Re: President of the US clueless

                "it's simply inaccurate to characterize him as "just an actor"."

                I didn't say he was 'just' and actor, I said that he was an actor turned politician, (and then said he was a b-rate actor but that wasn't your complaint).

        2. devTrail Bronze badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          I'm assuming you're talking about the Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelensky, who used to be an actor?

          No. I'm talking about the TV host who had his own show for a very long time. Did you forget the apprentice? Anyway apart from those who actually worked as actors there are now lot of politicians around who just play roles scripted by someone else.

        3. Tom Paine Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          Tucker 2020!

        4. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: President of the US clueless

          Peter Capaldi will shortly be going to work as a spin doctor in Westminster

          Or as the Doctor, everywhere.

  3. sbt Silver badge
    Headmaster

    A garbled remark

    This does not narrow it down, sadly. It's disappointing the "leader of the free world" is so inarticulate. It does not reflect well on his supporters (nor his "locker room talk", attitude to paying tax, the list goes on).

    Back on topic, is there a transcript of the discussion between Giuliani and the Ukrainians? Maybe that's where the quid-pro-quo smoking gun is. Aside from the mutual political fellatio, the Biden thing seems to be the main focus of the call disclosed here.

  4. Oliver Mayes

    Sounds like he thinks that CrowdStrike stored the data they stole from the DNC on a Ukranian server and he wants access? Hard to tell from his rambling, disjointed muttering.

    1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

      Think that he was trying to get the ukrainian president to cooperate in sorting out Russiagate, now that it's become clear that was all a binch of made up bullshit and one big distraction from Clinton's corruption.

      Instead of learning from Russiagate the Dem party's leadership is doubling down and has now started Ukrainegate. Who do they need to distract attention from this time?

      On a completely unrelated matter, strangely nobody is reporting about Epstein anymore either. Wonder why, while Billy only flew on Epstein's plane 24 times.

      The best way to make a story disappear is to fabricate an even bigger story.

  5. james_smith Bronze badge

    A clarification. The document released today is not a verbatim transcript. İt is a summary of notes taken on the call - my money is on the actual transcript showing repeated requests from Trump to open an investigation into Biden's son.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    OT:just-released phone-call transcript

    until yesterday, I believed a "transcript" is a written-down variant of who said what. However, when I downloaded the document, a transcript turned out to be a memo...

    this document records the notes and recollections of Situation Room Duty "Officers and-NSC policy staff assigned to listen and memorialize the conversation in written form as the conversation takes place. A number of factors can affect the accuracy of the record, including poor telecommunications connections and variations in accent and/or interpretation. The word "inaudible" is used to indicate portions of a conversation that the notetaker was unable to hear.

    This level of technology employed at the highest levels across the pond is staggering, I dread to think what means they use to record a conversation between (our) dear Boris and (his) Queen?! :D

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    they say CrowdStrike

    they got it wrong, he actually actually said Cowpsyche...

  8. devTrail Bronze badge

    Raises some questions

    The scandal is just a comedy set up to paint Biden as a victim and concentrate the attention on him. The goal is to help him gain some advantage in the primaries over Warren and Sanders. So why did they add Crowdstrike to their martyr creation scheme? That's really curiuos.

  9. Paul Johnson 1
    Black Helicopters

    Trump really believes a conspiracy theory

    Trump is referring to a conspiracy theory about a "missing" DNC server containing Hilary Clinton's emails. According to this theory, the FBI deliberately failed to seize this server, and it was subsequently smuggled to the Ukraine by Crowdstrike, who were the company hired by the Democrats to investigate the hack which obtained the original emails. He wanted Zelensky to use his police force to go find this mythical server (presumably in the custody of the Knights Who Say Ni).

    See https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/what-is-the-crowdstrike-conspiracy-theory-890459/ or just google "crowdstrike conspiracy".

    The fact that Zelensky is a professional comedian just adds extra wierdness. He was probably thinking "I could never have invented this in a million years."

    1. phuzz Silver badge
      IT Angle

      Re: Trump really believes a conspiracy theory

      Surely if such a hypothetical server existed, rather than trying to send it to another country, you'd just wipe it?

      Is it too much to ask for crazy conspiracy theories to at least be vaguely plausible from an IT point of view? If they'd said "we're looking for the LTO tapes containing the backups" I'd be a lot happier.

    2. Mike Moyle Silver badge

      Re: Trump really believes a conspiracy theory

      It's been suggested that he also hoped that the "missing server" would contain some sort of a smoking gun ("FROM: Hillary TO: Broadcast -- Hey, guys! Wouldn't it be hilarious to delete all of our emails and claim it was the Russians that did it?") that would prove that Putin, et.al., had nothing to do with the hacking.

  10. NonSSL-Login

    Six of one, half a dozen....

    Part of me thinks this is terrible abuse that cannot go unpunished. Another part of me thinks Joe Biden is a horrible corrupt politician and it would be great for him and family to be brought down in anyway possible.

    Throw in Hillary, Chris Dodd and other well known politicians and the corruption smells so bad, none of them should be in a position of power.

    Hard to tell why Crowdstrike is mentioned.

    1. Tom Paine Silver badge

      Re: Six of one, half a dozen....

      Because https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dmitri_Alperovitch .

    2. caradoc

      Re: Six of one, half a dozen....

      "Hard to tell why Crowdstrike is mentioned."

      You provided the answer - "Throw in Hillary"

  11. sbt Silver badge
    Alert

    "And that, boys and girls, is how Joe Biden saved the United States of America!"

    The complaint has dropped. Interesting read:

    https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

    1. Benson's Cycle

      Re: "And that, boys and girls, is how Joe Biden saved the United States of America!"

      I'm sorry, I see nothing about it being dropped. If anything, it's getting more attention.

      1. disgruntled yank Silver badge

        Re: "And that, boys and girls, is how Joe Biden saved the United States of America!"

        I believe he means "dropped" as in "been made public".

  12. caradoc

    Look behind the curtain

    https://www.craigmurray.org.uk

    "Crowdstrike are the Clinton linked “cyber-security” company which provided the “forensic data” to the FBI on the alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers – data which has been analysed by my friend Bill Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA, who characterises it as showing speeds of transfer impossible by internet and indicating a download to an attached drive. The FBI were never allowed access to the actual DNC server – and never tried, taking the DNC’s consultants word for the contents, which itself is sufficient proof of the bias of the “investigation”.

    Crowdstrike also made the claim that the same Russia hackers – “Fancy Bear” – who hacked the DNC, hacked Ukrainian artillery software causing devastating losses of Ukrainian artillery. This made large headlines at the time. What did not make any MSM headlines was the subsequent discovery that all of this never happened and the artillery losses were entirely fictitious. As Crowdstrike had claimed that it was the use of the same coding in the DNC hack as in the preceding (non-existent) Ukraine artillery hack, that proved Russia hacked the DNC, this is pretty significant. Trump was questioning Zelensky about rumours the “hacked” DNC server was hidden in the Ukraine by Crowdstrike. The media has no interest in reporting any of that at all."

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Look behind the curtain

      As Crowdstrike had claimed that it was the use of the same coding in the DNC hack as in the preceding (non-existent) Ukraine artillery hack, that proved Russia hacked the DNC, this is pretty significant. Trump was questioning Zelensky about rumours the “hacked” DNC server was hidden in the Ukraine by Crowdstrike. The media has no interest in reporting any of that at all."

      Curiouser and curiouser. As was obstructing the FBI's investigation into the alleged hack. But Hilary's been on TV talking about this scandal. Not her dubious IT security practices and mishandling of classified documents. There is presumably some reason why Trump/the US thinks the DNC's server might be in Ukraine, but I can't quite think of any good explanation for why it might be there.

      I get the feeling the Donkey party are going to regret opening this can of worms. And then of course there's still Uranium-1...

    2. PBXTech

      Re: Look behind the curtain

      "Crowdstrike are the Clinton linked “cyber-security” company which provided the “forensic data” to the FBI on the alleged Russian hack of the DNC servers – data which has been analysed by my friend Bill Binney, former Technical Director of the NSA, who characterises it as showing speeds of transfer impossible by internet and indicating a download to an attached drive."

      Is this where I bring up Seth Rich, DNC employee gunned down in Washington DC during a "failed robbery attempt" in which nothing was apparently taken? There is a "conspiracy theory" that Seth Rich was the insider who actually pulled the files.

      Police say nothing was taken because he still had his wallet, keys, cell phone, etc. What they do NOT know is what ELSE of value which he may have had on his person. Is it possible that the robbers got exactly what they were looking for and ignored the rest?

      Something like, perhaps, a thumb drive or external SSD?

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