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A Victorian public convenience in Hull has made Lonely Planet's list of the best 500 places to visit in the UK. Admittedly it is only the 483rd best attraction, but it is still considered better than a trip to the Wensleydale Creamery. Yorkshire gets a total of 37 mentions in the list including two railway sites – York's …

  1. regbadgerer
    Coat

    Pedant's corner

    It's not called Lake Windermere, it's just called Windermere.

    1. gerdesj Silver badge
      Holmes

      Re: Pedant's corner

      Do you refer to the Avon as the river Avon? There are plenty of other examples of English place names that have had the same word in multiple languages tacked on the end. Somewhere there's a hill hill hill hill Hill.

      1. Martin-R

        Re: Pedant's corner

        Pendle Hill and Bredon Hill are both 'hill hill hill', don't know of any that manage more than that but wouldn't be surprised!

        People do get picky about it being just 'Windermere' though - I blame QI...

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Pedant's corner

          Torpenhow Hill is supposed to be a quadruple - but that is also according to QI....

          1. Cuddles Silver badge

            Re: Pedant's corner

            And is sadly not actually true:

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torpenhow_Hill

            1. Allan George Dyer Silver badge

              Re: Pedant's corner

              Easy to find:

              https://www.google.com/maps/place/Torpenhow+Hill/@54.7396682,-3.2523325,14z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m5!3m4!1s0x487cd80ae3515097:0xe19724eec4906ea1!8m2!3d54.73967!4d-3.23478

        2. PerlyKing Bronze badge
          Headmaster

          Re: I blame QI

          I don't blame QI, I blame my dad, who is from that area and throughout my childhood corrected every TV presenter, newsreader or other talking head who referred to "Lake Windermere" (and looks a little like Jimmy Edwards ;-)

        3. hpsaucy

          Re: Pedant's corner

          In Derbyshire there's Breedon on the Hill, so "hill hill on the hill".

        4. regbadgerer

          Re: Pedant's corner

          @Martin-R I've always taken issue with it, because to me it somehow sounds like an americanism. QI just let me know I wasn't alone and encouraged me to spread my pedantry further!

      2. defiler Silver badge

        Re: Pedant's corner

        Loch lochy. Somebody really ran out of inspiration on that one.

        1. Dr. G. Freeman
          Coat

          Re: Pedant's corner

          Who's there ?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Pedant's corner

            "Englishman."

            "Englishman who?"

            "Englishman who thinks '-och' is pronounced '-ock'".

        2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: Pedant's corner

          I propose we rename it Lochy MacLochaghaidh.

      3. PhilBuk

        Re: Pedant's corner

        How about "Wookey Hole Cave". All three words mean cave.

        So Cave Cave Cave.

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

          Re: Pedant's corner

          To be fair, I've never heard anyone call it anything other than Wookey Hole, and "hole" and "cave" don't really have exactly the same meaning.

          Anyway, anyone want to buy some expensive cheese?

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Pedant's corner

          That's what I thought until I took a wrong turn in a passage. Sorry, Chewey.

        3. silks

          Re: Pedant's corner

          Wouldn't it be great if the "what3words" app used ///cave.cave.cave for Wookey Hole :)

          1. Spanners Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: Pedant's corner

            Cave.cave.cave is in San Antonio, Texas. This may be the biggest cave in the world - or is it the biggest hole?

      4. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: Pedant's corner

        There are plenty of other examples of English place names that have had the same word in multiple languages tacked on the end. Somewhere there's a hill hill hill hill Hill.

        I remember many years ago seeing a sign in Montreal for the "Pont Champlain Bridge"

    2. MJB7 Bronze badge

      Re: Pedant's corner

      It *is* sometimes referred to as Lake Windermere when you want to distinguish it from the town also called Windermere.

      1. Rob Daglish

        Re: Pedant's corner

        Hmm - no, it's Windermere. You don't call it Lake Grasmere do you? Or Lake Derwent Water? It's only the bloody LDNPA who refer to it as such, and they really should know better, or at least if any of them were local they should...

        1. phuzz Silver badge
          Trollface

          Re: Pedant's corner

          "You don't call it Lake Grasmere do you?"

          Yes. And I will now make a point of referring to it like that just to wind up you in particular.

    3. DontFeedTheTrolls Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: Pedant's corner

      In other trivial pedantry Lochnagar is not a Scottish loch

      1. dak

        Re: Pedant's corner

        Nor is Lochgelly.

        Loch Gelly is, though.

    4. SVV Silver badge

      Re: Pedant's corner

      Also, if you think that crowded Windermere and Honister Slate Mine (those heaps of tippings are SO beautiful) are the two best places to go in the Lake District, you are out of your mind. They are two of the worst. It seems that the guide authors do not believe that a place is worth visiting unless lots of money msut be spent there in order to enjoy yourself.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Pedant's corner

        I have a favorite place in the lake district. I'm just not going to tell anyone about it because it's relatively quiet through a lot of the year.... If it makes it on to tripadvisor, I'll have to find somewhere else!

        1. caffeine addict Silver badge

          Re: Pedant's corner

          "Oh, we go to XYZ every year, but it's totally ruined by tourists nowadays."

          My MIL is a master of this. Normally followed by "We're not tourists. We're visitors."

      2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Pedant's corner

        I have to agree. For foreign tourists who want to do the Lake District main tourist traps just to say they've done them, I suppose Windermere must get a quick look, just like the Potter cottage and the rest of that sort of thing. But you get a much more pleasant experience almost anywhere else.

        I remember once spending a nice hour or so with my folks just poking about the ruins on Hardknott Pass, which we'd taken because it looked like an entertaining route between wherever we were and wherever we were going. Hardly saw another soul the whole time. This was some decades ago, and maybe things are more crowded there now; but I bet it's still a lot better than the LP's picks.

    5. Anonymous Cowerd
      Headmaster

      Re: Pedant's corner

      The Lake District only has one lake (Bassenthwaite Lake).

      Otherwise, it would be called The Lakes District.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Pedant's corner

        I was on holiday on Lake Michigan last week, and from there, it doesn't appear Britain has any lakes at all. Just some moderately large ponds. (Little Traverse Bay, where I spent most of my time, has three times the surface area of Windermere, and it's not even a particularly prominent feature of Lake Michigan.)

        But as a longtime Ransome reader (and occasional scholar), I'll grant that little lakes can be deserving of the title too. Ditto meres and tarns and broads and waters and the rest.

    6. disgustedoftunbridgewells Silver badge

      Re: Pedant's corner

      Oh god, you're that pedantic bloke who tells people who rent the rowing boats that it's actually a mere, aren't you?

    7. dajames Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: Pedant's corner

      It's not called Lake Windermere, it's just called Windermere.

      Au contraire, it is very often called "Lake Windermere", even though that's not its name.

      The only lake in the lake district that's actually named "Lake" is Bassenthwaite -- the other lakes are all named "mere" or "water" or something else.

      [You'll note, though, that I called it "Bassenthwaite" while its name is "Bassenthwaite Lake". Tricky chap, English.]

  2. Warm Braw Silver badge

    Jodrell Bank didn't make the list

    The planet is obviously not as lonely as they make out.

    1. Ken Shabby Bronze badge

      Re: Jodrell Bank didn't make the list

      But Armitage Shank did, so it just might be.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Jodrell Bank didn't make the list

        John Shanks might take issue with your statement.

  3. MJB7 Bronze badge

    Great Victorian tilework

    You may laugh, but have you *seen* those loos? They are absolutely bloody fantastic.

    I was a little surprised to be taken on a tour of the architectural highlights of Hull, and not to be taken to see a town hall, or a church, or similar though.

    1. Wellyboot Silver badge

      Re: Great Victorian tilework

      They do have an odd sense of humour.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-47638682

      1. GrumpenKraut Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Great Victorian tilework

        The John Venn plaque is truly awesome!

    2. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: Great Victorian tilework

      How they compare to the the loos in the Philharmonic Dining Roms in Liverpool? The ones in the Phil are Grade 1 listed!

      https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/gents-toilets-philharmonic-live-up-12513550

      1. John Presland

        Re: Great Victorian tilework

        When I first read this I thought the Philharmonic Dining Roms must be some elegant establishment that I never got to, but Dr Google informs me that it's The Phil, in which, as a woollyback visitor, I mispent many evenings in my youth. Truly splendid urinary facilities, which I recall later taking a girlfriend into to admire.

    3. Ian Emery Silver badge

      Re: Great Victorian tilework

      it helps that they are the least shit place in Hull though, doesnt it.

    4. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Great Victorian tilework

      I was a little surprised to be taken on a tour of the architectural highlights of Hull, and not to be taken to see a town hall, or a church, or similar though.

      Were you taken to see new construction? According to the spam my email filter catches daily, there are many exciting real-estate investment opportunities in Hull. (Why Hull? Is it the phosphorescent waterfowl?)

  4. Pete 2

    Did any get more than 1 vote?

    Not only do many entries seem somewhat "unusual", but the order looks pretty dubious. I get the feeling that very few entries got more than a single person singing their praises. Further, that whoever it was at Lonely Planet that compiled the list has never actually been to the UK. Probably couldn't even find it on a map.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Did any get more than 1 vote?

      Further, that whoever it was at Lonely Planet that compiled the list has never actually been to the UK. Probably couldn't even find it on a map.

      Needs moar fact checking? Oddly, Lonely Planet is/was owned by the BBC who rather overpaid for that brand. So kinda makes sense for the #1 to be a place where the BBC's 'shareholders' can go watch money being peed up a wall.

    2. CrazyOldCatMan Silver badge

      Re: Did any get more than 1 vote?

      has never actually been to the UK. Probably couldn't even find it on a map

      Question from an American tourist:

      "Where is the UK? Is it near England?"

      To which the answer was "yes and no".

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Did any get more than 1 vote?

        You Brits aren't exactly immune to this kind of thing ... A friend of mine's Wife was absolutely certain that London was south of where they lived, because "my Uncle lives in South Kensington, which is near London" ... Their abode? Croydon ...

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You definitely need to see

    The Victorian loos at Rothesay, Isle of Bute. Fantastic. Well worth, er, going

    1. Just Enough

      Re: You definitely need to see

      Can confirm. They're like a miniature palace in marble and shiny brass.

    2. Rich 11 Silver badge

      Re: You definitely need to see

      Is there an entrance fee?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: You definitely need to see

        The fee is a voluntary donation

        1. IsJustabloke
          Trollface

          Re: You definitely need to see

          "The fee is a voluntary donation"

          isn't every trip to every loo accompanied by a donation?

      2. Martin Summers Silver badge

        Re: You definitely need to see

        "Is there an entrance fee?"

        Normally you have to spend a penny.

    3. Francis Boyle Silver badge

      Definitely

      a fine piece of victoriana. Either that or a piss-controlled tardis.

    4. phuzz Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: You definitely need to see

      There's a pub near me with some particularly nice loos (well, the gents, I've not seen in the ladies). I'm not sure if they're Victorian, or Edwardian, but definitely some lovely somethingian tiles.

      Here

      1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

        Re: You definitely need to see

        I'll give you £5 to go up to the bar and say in a loud clear voice that the bogs in the Clyde are far better.

        Just for entertainment's sake...

      2. Fred Dibnah Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: You definitely need to see

        Hey, in the 1980s that was my local! We used to pop the Sunday roast in the oven then pop in for a few Director's, nipping back home to check the meat between pints. Glad it's still going.

        1. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

          Re: You definitely need to see

          The newsagents on the corner probably still has the same packets of biscuits on the shelves...

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    To be fair you are going to need that loo after some pub Sunday lunches and Salisbury cathedral is lovely, it has a certain glow.

  7. Mog_X

    What about Bude Tunnel?

    The best tourist attraction in Cornwell.

    1. spider from mars

      Re: What about Bude Tunnel?

      Majestic

    2. Loyal Commenter Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: What about Bude Tunnel?

      Patricia, or Bernard?

  8. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    Tourist Scotland?

    "The noblest prospect which a Scotchman ever sees, is the high road that leads him to England!" (Dr Samuel Johnson)

    He was wrong!

  9. Pen-y-gors Silver badge

    And at number 10

    10. Explore Pembrokeshire Coast National Park. South Wales – There’s more to Wales than sheep, drizzly valleys and place names that are impossible to pronounce for outsiders.

    Of course, one could say the same about 北海道 Владивосто́к or 武夷山市 - well, maybe not about the sheep

    It is nice down there. And in parts they even speak the language of heaven. And for ElRegistas don't miss the Dyffryn Arms (Bessie's) in Pontfaen

  10. Kingstonian

    Victorian? Toilet in Hull. No - built in 1926.

    Do you mean the 1926 built grade II listed toilet in Hull built in 1926 near Victoria Pier as reported by the BBC?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-49332785

    Listing details at historic england

    https://historicengland.org.uk/listing/the-list/list-entry/1442414

    and the Hull Daily Mail's article with more pictures

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/lonely-planet-attractions-hull-toilet-3206714

    1. Commswonk Silver badge

      Re: Victorian? Toilet in Hull. No - built in 1926.

      and the Hull Daily Mail's article with more pictures

      You are clearly unaware of the fact that using the words "Daily Mail" on El Reg is a capital offence. Whether prefacing them with "Hull" will be allowed as a plea in mitigation remains to be seen...

      1. matt 83

        Re: Victorian? Toilet in Hull. No - built in 1926.

        I believe it's OK as the Hull Daily Mail is unconnected with the fictional works about cancer and house prices collected together under their title "The Dail Mail".

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: Victorian? Toilet in Hull. No - built in 1926.

      Judging by nothing more than the Hull Daily Mail photo, in between-the-wars Blighty that bog must have caused many cases of fuschia shock ...

  11. Jemma Silver badge

    Welcome to...

    The Venislarn Acrapolypse...

  12. Kubla Cant Silver badge

    Where's the list?

    A search produces lots of newspaper articles about the UK list and links to a Lonely Planet Top 500 list that starts with Angkor Wat - that's not in the British Museum, is it?

    I thought I knew how to find stuff.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Where's the list?

      I agree it would be nice if the Reg put links to things in their stories outside their own website. A bit of searching led me to believe this is actually a book.

      https://shop.lonelyplanet.com/products/ultimate-uk-travelist-1

  13. Paul Johnston
    IT Angle

    Not a patch on ...

    Surely The Old King Billy toilets were the best.

    Have a look at

    https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/history/urban-myths-truth-bizarre-hull-3140121

  14. lowjik

    I prefer The Temple

    This is a bar converted from a sub-street level victorian lav - nicer than it sounds and I could swear it was called The Convenience but now The Temple on Great Bridgewater Street just off Oxford Road. Not bad going by the reviews

    https://www.google.com/maps/@53.4755979,-2.2421413,3a,75y,271.06h,77.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s-TszKrSIKvVBLz7arSk3Hg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It would be nice to find any public toilet in many parts of England's towns these days. Even where they still exist they are often only open for a very limited number of hours - and not every day. Even the railway station has put them behind the ticket barriers - and apparently there is no such thing as a "platform" ticket now.

  16. Marketing Hack Silver badge
    Go

    Cue the Instagram influencers crowding the toilet to take ass-shots

    That should be interesting.

  17. James Anderson Silver badge

    Usefull giude

    Lonely planet.

    I often have a quick browse of thier guide when about to travel to a new destination. If it's recommended by them it's worth avoiding.

  18. Toni the terrible
    Coat

    Hull Loos

    I have actually been there and took advantage of the facility. Jolly useful don't you know? but then i don't go anywhere where there isnt such a facility. That's the point of the National Trust.

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