back to article Who will save us from deepfakes? Other AIs? Humans? What about vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional beings?

Deepfakes, the AI-generated talking heads that can say whatever their creator wants them to, are getting harder to detect. But boffins have enlisted an unlikely ally in the quest for truth – mice. In a presentation at the Black Hat security conference in Las Vegas, data scientists examined various ways to identify deepfake …

  1. Chris G Silver badge

    A couple of weeks back, I opened the door to my workshop and was confronted by a vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional being staring at me from the top of my bench.

    I hit it with a shovel.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I hit it with a shovel.

      I think you'll find you only hit that part of the vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional being which protruded into our universe at the time. You better hope it wasn't merely f*cking with you, since it may decide to take some appropriate revenge.

      1. Chris G Silver badge

        Re: I hit it with a shovel.

        Well, at least the bit protruding into this dimension is no longer chewing on my seat cushion and pooping on every surface it can access.

        Is pandimensional poo good for anything?

        1. Chemist

          Re: I hit it with a shovel.

          "Is pandimensional poo good for anything?"

          Pan-dimensional rhubarb ?

      2. My other car WAS an IAV Stryker
        Childcatcher

        Re: I hit it with a shovel.

        Revenge this -- my missus found a baby one dead on the solar blanket/cover of our pool one day a week or two back, and another baby one dead IN THE WATER (floating on the surface) yesterday which I skimmed out before it freaked the kids.

        Don't know what's killing them--it isn't us--but someone should tell these "hyperintelligent" beings that swimming is obviously not a good idea, at least for the young ones!

  2. TechnicalBen Silver badge
    Terminator

    Cut out the middlemen?

    Well, a mouse brain is just a collection of neurons, which are a collection of nodes. So mapping the idea back into a computer cluster/etc should not be impossible.

    For varying definitions of impossible.

    1. Mage Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Cut out the middlemen?

      A computer Neural Network isn't at all similar to biological brains. Marketing name.

      1. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re: Cut out the middlemen?

        TBF Computer Neural Networks were inspired by the biological ones. They are similar at a very simple level - which may be all that is necessary. They have copied models of Nematode NNs with 'interesting' results. At the moment we are playing with basically layers of nodes feeding layers of nodes whereas nature has more convoluted nets, the functions of which we currently dont know. We have wired up NNs in the convoluted form found in nematodes but we have a way to go to work out which keyboards to plug in and where and how to initialise the net before we can simulate a nematode, I think we are circa 1950 digital computer stage with NNs but we have the equivalent interactions of the IOT to evaluate and experiment with. Oh and fucking contrary organic NNs wandering around kicking over the chess sets to deal with too,

        1. DrBobK
          Headmaster

          Re: Cut out the middlemen?

          The current NN craze (CNNs, deep learning etc.) have pretty much nothing in common with the real thing in which the individual neurons have complicated time-dependent dynamics even before cyclic connectivity give the network itself complicated dynamics (difficult things which are intentionally avoided in artificial neural networks). Many years ago I was in Santa Fe at the Complex Systems institute where I met a mathematical physicist (ex-string theorist I think) who was trying to work out how the different modes of 'chewing' in the stomach of a lobster were produced by the 12 neurons in the somatogastric ganglion of the lobster - repeat just TWELVE neurons. He was part of a whole team of heavy duty applied mathematicians, they hadn't made a great deal of progress in understanding the 12 neuron system when I heard about it (but they did do experiments and got to eat their subjects once the experiments were over, which was good). It is relatively simple to construct a model that approximates the neural network in a nematode (although figuring out how much detail you need in the models of individual neurons to adequately mimic the behaviour of the real thing is tricky), but that is utterly trivial compared with understanding how the properties of network give rise to particular patterns of neural behaviour and understanding why these patterns of neural behaviour are of use to the organism as a whole.

  3. Tom 7 Silver badge

    Will we be saved by vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional beings?

    What makes you think you are worth it?

    1. Ken Shabby Bronze badge
      Coat

      Re: Will we be saved by vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional beings?

      My ball bearing vastly hyperintelligent pandimensional beings trap will sort them out

  4. GnuTzu Silver badge

    Reality is Coming to an End

    Not that it was ever what we thought it was in the first place.

    1. Chris G Silver badge

      Re: Reality is Coming to an End

      What you think is reality may be coming to an end but in reality it is being replaced with real reality.

      Really!

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Reality is Coming to an End ..... Noblesse oblige AIMissions Taking Over.

        What you think is reality may be coming to an end but in reality it is being replaced with real reality.

        Really! .... Chris G

        Yes, and surreally too, Chris G. Such delivers remarkably effective protection against any aggression from opposition or competition thinking to disavow or disallow Future Novel Noble Supply ...... of Alternative Narrative Adventures of Elegant Exotic Erotic Grand Design.

        Are you ready yet to accept that Virtual Machinery is in Absolute Command with Remote Control in AI and IT Places and Spaces? And it is a Pleasure to Know that You Now Know Too.

        What would you have IT and AI Do for You with You Leading in Trails Worth Following to Success in Complete Satisfaction of Shared Desirous Result. You surely know how EMPowering they all always are. :-)

  5. Chemist

    "Maybe Douglas Adams was right about mice"

    He was right about a lot of things

    1. stiine Bronze badge
      Pint

      Re: "Maybe Douglas Adams was right about mice"

      Especially Innsbrook and alcohol.

  6. Carpet Deal 'em Bronze badge
    Alien

    I think it's obvious at this point

    That we're on the verge of discovering the ultimate question. After that, all we can do is hope for a better fate than other single-purpose supercomputers.

  7. Tail Up

    Optional

    "c" 4 curiousity. how many of us dfs are years reg's badgers? (-:

    ah, don't deepmind IT 2 deep. everyone needs friends.

    https://youtu.be/AOzkN8dHnjk

  8. localzuk

    Time for digital signing to become mainstream

    I know digital signatures have been around for decades, and are widely used in various industries, but its probably time they become mainstream with consumers and "normal people" tech.

    Digitally signed videos/photos etc.... Though, I'm not so sure how anyone would go about spreading the tech. It'd basically have to be driven by Apple, Google and Microsoft at this point - slap it in phones and tablets.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Deepfakes.......and CCTV

    How long before start to hear claims in court that "Your Honour, the CCTV in evidence is a deep fake. The accused was never where the CCTV shows."

    *

    Elsewhere on El Reg today, there's an item about cameras hacked via WiFi. "Your Honour, my client never took the pornographic images found on his camera. The images have been placed there by malicious hackers."

    *

    In fact, a useful (future) defence against ANY computer-evidence based accusations goes like this: "Your Honour, all the computer-based evidence against my client has been planted by hackers. None of it is relevant to actions of my client. I suggest that the prosecution PROVE that my client is involved in any way."

    *

    "Security", "Keeping us safe".....all BS.

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