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White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow is reportedly meeting Silicon Valley bigwigs today to discuss the placement of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei on the US trade ban Entity List. The placement of Huawei and other firms on the Commerce Department's Entity List requires US suppliers to seek permission, which is rarely …

  1. tentimes

    Outrageous!! How dare they?

    It is absolutely disgusting to see the US Tech giants going to kiss Trumps ass and then conspire to control the chinese tech firms by using a combination of Trump and Google et al. I know it has happened before (read "Confessions of an economic hitman") but this is just brazen. Trump is showing he controls these US corporations and they will do his evil work for him. I want to be able to buy a Huwaei phone as it costs half as much as the competition for the same tech, but trump wants to torture them and enjoy his sense of control, like the proper little psychopath that he is.

    Fucking disgusting.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Outrageous!! How dare they?

      Its going to make your phone a lot cheaper.

      Instead of Broadcom, ARM, Apple/Google having a monopoly on the important bits - China and S. Korea are going to be forced to build their own version of all the key parts - which you are going to be able to buy from aliexpress for 1/10 the price

      1. sanmigueelbeer Silver badge

        Re: Outrageous!! How dare they?

        which you are going to be able to buy from aliexpress for 1/10 the price

        Uh and how is this going to help the situation? If Apple looses market share this issue is going to get right back up.

        Remember, the issue with Huawei all started because one of the big 3G/4G/5G manufacturers (either Cisco, Alcatel-Lucent, Nokia) complained to Trump that they can't compete with Huawei's price dump.

        So if Americans can't buy a Chinese-made (but designed in California) Apple products ... you know how this will end.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The 5G patents could be awkward, there are plenty of Asian jurisdictions where Huawei could get the Western suppliers banned for patent infringement

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So we know where to invade/sanction next ?

      1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

        So we know where to invade/sanction next ?

        Texas, obviously. The land where the patent attorney roams free.

        Otherwise, it's just business mixed with security theatre. If you're in the telecomms tin business, 5G represents a fairly handy chunk of your future EPS. Especially as infrastructure spending in general is down. And especially as a significant chunk of that expenditure has gone to non-$deity fearing American vendors rather than say, Cisco or Juniper, who rely on China for most of their tin anway. Back in the day, investors might have been dubious handing over money for a vendor they'd not heard of, but thanks to security theatre, they've heard of Huawei now.

        But that's just one of those roosting chickens that's come home to shite on your lawn. Post-WW2, much the same happened with Japan, which happily took reconstruction money to modernise it's industry & then add their own innovations. The US focused on churning out MBAs who just looked out the bottom line and outsourced everything they could to far-Eastern sweat shops.. Then seem suprised when countries like China took that IP, added their own innovation and out-compete the US and West.

        Trump's tried to reinvigorate US manufacturing, but arguably it's too little, too late. Plus he's created other challenges. US benefitted from shale oil & gas, many billions were pumped into extraction and export facilities.. But some bad timing, ie oil & gas prices plunged below $100/bbl and shouldn't head north. Which creates problems for oil & gas lenders, so do a spot of sanctions there as well to encourage buying US Freedom Gas as well as 5G tin. Which hasn't worked out too well, especially if Russia/Syria/Iran build their own pipeline into Europe. So just do the sanctions thing. UK hijacks an Iranian tanker destined for Syria because EU sanctions.. Yet neither Iran nor Syria is in the EU. Iran hijacks a UK tanker in retaliation, so escalates oil shipping costs through the Persian Gulf. Who could have seen that coming?

        Such is busines when you've got geopolitics onboard with your marketing.

  3. Tom 35 Silver badge

    Security...

    Just like he called Canadian steal / aluminium a security risk to allow putting tariffs on them despite existing trade agreements.

    1. Pete4000uk

      Re: Security...

      'Arnt European cars also a threat?

      1. teknopaul Silver badge

        Re: Security...

        Seems to me almost all new cars are a security threat. Sticking to my mechanical vehicle for the moment.

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