back to article IVE HAD ENOUGH! iQuit. Jobs done. Jony cashes out at Apple to run his own design biz

British Essex boy made good Sir Jony Ive will step down from his role as Apple's chief designer. Widely considered the most important figure at Apple not to be called Steve, magical Ive has been credited with sculpting the iconic, er, rounded corners and other motifs of the iMac, iPod, iPhone, and just about everything else …

  1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

    Ave Ive

    End of the rounded corner design?

    1. J. R. Hartley Silver badge

      Re: Ave Ive

      Never mind that! $999 (or £999) for a monitor stand.

      Fuck off.

      1. Andrew Williams

        Re: Ave Ive

        Well, people are expected to pay Microsoft for Windows 10, so $999 for a stand does have s certain attractiveness to it.

        1. phuzz Silver badge
          Gimp

          Re: Ave Ive

          FWIW, every single Windows 7 key is valid for Win10.

          It was supposed to be limited time offer, but they can't take it back for 'accounting reasons', so I hear.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Ave Ive

            Re: "FWIW, every single Windows 7 key is valid for Win10."

            Citation needed

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Ave Ive

              Run the "Windows 10 Update Assistant" on an activated copy of Windows 7 and it'll download, install, and activate Windows 10 with a digital licence. You can do a clean install afterwards if you like. All legitimate. The free Windows 10 offer never went away. It's just not in your face any more that's all.

              1. Occams_Cat

                Re: Ave Ive

                True - I just did W7 pro -> W10 pro on a laptop and desktop with update assistant, however, I wasn't aware you could also do a clean install too with the same keys and an ISO. That's useful to know.

      2. TVU

        Re: Ave Ive

        "Never mind that! $999 (or £999) for a monitor stand.

        Fuck off"

        ^ Indeed. Now that the God of the Cult of Thinness, Sir Jony de Ive, has just left Apple, I hope there is now perhaps the opportunity to turn Macs back into the productive and professional computers that they once were with things like useful ports, MagSafe and so on.

        I don't have a problem with Apple producing a novel, leading edge model but the rest of the MacBook range ought to be the more like a robust ThinkPad.

    2. MOV r0,r0

      Re: Ave Ive

      The dude was to corners what Slartibartfast was to fjords - all hail Sir Ive! (as Tim Cooke once called him).

    3. jgarbo
      Coat

      Re: Ave Ive

      Round corners! Imagined them in 1926. I could have been rich.

    4. deadlockvictim Silver badge

      Re: Ave Ive

      Rounded corners have been around in tech for quite a while, almost 40 years at least and maybe longer,

      Steve Jobs was convincing Bill Atkinson about them back in 1981!

      The link is from Andy Herzfeld's wonderful archive.org:

      http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?story=Round_Rects_Are_Everywhere.txt

  2. DougS Silver badge

    Won't make much difference for Apple

    Apple will be one of the clients of his new firm. To the extent he might have a bit less active role with Apple's hardware design could be a good thing - one might lay the butterfly keyboard fiasco at his feet for putting thinness above all.

    1. Charlie Clark Silver badge

      Re: Won't make much difference for Apple

      Yeah, this really is a so long, and thanks for all the fish announcement. Here's a wad of cash, some guaranteed work for a couple of years and a glowing testamonial to trade off.

      Apple's industrial design, despite a couple of notable failures, remains pretty solid but it has been chasing the crowd for several years now.

  3. 2+2=5 Silver badge

    Have keyboard won't travel

    I wonder if we'll now get things that users want - like keyboards with travel and sd card slots?

    1. J. R. Hartley Silver badge

      Re: Have keyboard won't travel

      No

    2. Claverhouse Silver badge

      Re: Have keyboard won't travel

      Users are much over-valued. What matters is Style and Self-Approbation.

      1. jgarbo
        Devil

        Re: Have keyboard won't travel

        Who needs a keyboard when you Gaze Type (tm) at a Retina Display? Imagine...

      2. deadlockvictim Silver badge

        Re: Have keyboard won't travel

        What matters are well-made products that are a joy to use and make your life easier. Things you needed you needed until you had one.

        As an example, I still love to use the mechanical Apple Extended Keyboards from the early nineties.

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Might be beneficial

    Perhaps Apple will now be able to insist on a phone design that has a screen without a stupid fucking notch and with a bloody headphone jack, instead of being dicks and letting the designer tell them to ignore what people actually want.

    1. mics39
      Happy

      Re: Might be beneficial

      Soon to be available elsewhere: black on black buttons. So chic everyone should have the opportunity!

      1. Louis Schreurs

        Re: Might be beneficial

        Enter the black on black all nu UI. Super battery saving on Oled and no back light LED on the others.

        Yuge powersavings, which we will be using eradicating cancer, blindness and amputees!

        1. Geoffrey W Silver badge

          Re: Might be beneficial

          RE: "All black UI..."

          Already done; ref. rock band and loudest thing in the Universe, Disaster Area, for it is they...

          1. Jove Bronze badge

            Re: Might be beneficial

            Sorry - Douglas Adams was there first.

        2. Danny Boyd

          Re: Might be beneficial

          Please don't eradicate the amputees! What an inhuman thought!

      2. phuzz Silver badge
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        Re: Might be beneficial

        A blank keyboard already exists, although it's always been marketed at geeks who can touchtype so well they don't need key-caps, rather than design-conscious Apple users.

        I have the version with lettering on, it's a really nice keyboard.

        (Not to be confused with the keyboard belonging to an old flatmate of mine, who's [originally beige] keyboard was so filthy, it was only possible to read the lettering on some of the less used keys. Everything else was just encrusted with black dirt.

        I don't live with him any more.)

        1. AJ MacLeod

          Re: Might be beneficial

          At that price, I'd want something more than just a really nice keyboard! My current keyboard (Lenovo "Preferred Pro" or something) was a whole £8.95 on Amazon and it's at least an order of magnitude or two better than any Apple keyboard I've used over the past 23 years...

    2. ma1010 Silver badge
      Go

      Re: Might be beneficial

      I REALLY hope you're right about that. That man has done more harm to making Apple products WORK than anything else I know of.

      Maybe if Apple started making things that, first, actually work right and let "design" be secondary, Android manufacturers would follow suit and stop leaving off the headphone jack and adding notches and other faff to emulate Apple.

      Of course, I'm not really expecting it.

      1. Jove Bronze badge

        Re: Might be beneficial

        It's 07:00 BST, your post has been up six hours, and yet you have no down-votes, and have not been damned to the darkest recesses of hell - The Apple FanBoys must be having a lie-in today.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Might be beneficial

          As an Apple fan boy since the Macplus I am overjoyed that he is gone. See the other posters that want something usable rather “stylish”.

          1. Dave 126 Silver badge

            Re: Might be beneficial

            Seriously?

            iPod, very usable.

            iPhone, usuable, most phones today resemble it.

            Cheesegrater Mac Pro. Very usuable, very serviceable.

            Now, do you realky think the decision to charge a large margin on fitting extra RAM to a computer was Jony Ive's? No, nor me. So following that reasoning, what other decisions may have been made by others? Exactly. So why are you blaming one man?

            1. werdsmith Silver badge

              Re: Might be beneficial

              Because snark makes people feel better about themselves.

              I feel better already!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Might be beneficial

          Oops sorry, friend. Was just imbibing my first hot strong brew from my local house of bean. Smooth aroma; I am in bliss, bro. Sweet.

          I’d downvote you now but my macbook’s getting a bit hot.

          founder@glugglugglugglug.co

    3. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Might be beneficial

      > phone design that has a screen without a stupid fucking notch and with a bloody headphone jack

      Samsung flagships - up to the S9 - have had no notch and a headphone socket, yet have suffered a similar decline in sales to iPhones. Make of that what you will.

  5. Cederic Silver badge

    so his crowning achievement

    Does this mean Jony's masterpiece, the final distillation of decades of artistic skill, experience and insight, was the $1000 monitor stand?

    Truly we have been blessed.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: so his crowning achievement

      Design, engineering and tooling costs are spread across every unit sold. So if you're making an accessory for a very expensive monitor that very people will buy (and of them, many will use a VESA solution of some kind), there aren't many units to spread the costs across. Now, a sane person would have thought that because so few people have need of such a monitor stand that any outrage about the price tag would be limited, but no, this is the internet.

      Forgive me if I don't feel outraged on behalf of a video production house whose equipment is insured for hundreds of thousands of dollars.

      1. simonlb Silver badge

        Re: so his crowning achievement

        Well if the monitor stand had been priced at say, $200, most people would have probably thought, "Sound's about right for an Apple accessory."

        But $1000? Come on, that is just taking the piss!

      2. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: so his crowning achievement

        Now, a sane person would have thought that because so few people have need of such a monitor stand that any outrage about the price tag would be limited, but no, this is the internet.

        Outraged? Nope, not here. Amused, yes. Astounded at the chutzpah Apple has in releasing such a thing, yes. Glad that I'm not such an Apple FanBoi that I'd feel the need to eve consider such a purchase, very much so.

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          Re: so his crowning achievement

          Fanbois aren't the market for the display or its stand. The clue is in the Pro moniker.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: so his crowning achievement

        My guess he cried into his saveloy after the audience laughed at his Apple Pencil. His crowning achievement.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: so his crowning achievement

        So what you are saying is, if they had shipped the stand with the monitor, making thousands and thousands of them, they could have bundled it for a small incremental cost/decrease in profit?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: so his crowning achievement

      But what a stand! I’m tempted to buy a couple just to place around my space as objets d’art.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Apple are probably fucked now? Who's left? Federighi?

    1. Jove Bronze badge

      There might be a few Beoing 747 MAX designers on the market by now.

      1. Charlie Clark Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Point taken, but isn't it the 737 MAX that has all the magical features?

        1. Jove Bronze badge

          Yes, but does it matter? Apple never admits to its magical features until after it has fixed them.

      2. hammarbtyp Silver badge

        So you are saying that the planes did not crash due to design fault, but instead they were flying them wrong?

        1. Jove Bronze badge

          My post: "There might be a few Beoing 747 MAX designers on the market by now."

          Your post: "So you are saying that the planes did not crash due to design fault, but instead they were flying them wrong?"

          My response: You need to leave off the wacky-backy - it is curdling your mind.

  7. Electric Panda

    Little will really change

    Apple will just continue to commission Ive's company, he will continue to design Apple products under a different name.

    The only difference is he can charge what he likes and has them over a barrel. They will continue to use him, because who else is there? Complete freedom and Apple will feel themselves more or less constrained to take it or leave it.

    He is now also available to design for others and can thus sell his services elsewhere.

    1. Jove Bronze badge

      Re: Little will really change

      How sure are you that he was not pushed?

      Prima-Donnas are all well and good when a business is on the up, but when a business misses the quarterly targets they start to become the problem.

      1. Dave 126 Silver badge

        Re: Little will really change

        Apple's internal strategists are too smart to make Jony Ive or any other individual a scapegoat for the company missing quarterly targets, especially when rivals such as Samsung are enduring similar woes.

        Ive has been at Apple for 25 years, and has been well payed. He doesn't need the money, and is on record as saying he's tired. It's not hard to imagine why he'd want to leave management behind and get back to his passion of design on a wider range of briefs than Apple require of him (see his side projects with Marc Newson for RED, Leica and others)

        The smartphone is a mature product category, with no nascent technology likely to change that anytime soon.

        1. Jove Bronze badge

          Re: Little will really change

          If spouting sycophantic apologist drivel gets you off, that is fine by me.

        2. MOV r0,r0

          Re: Little will really change

          "When a man is tired of corners, he is tired of life"

          1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
            Happy

            Re: Little will really change

            "When a man is tired of corners, he is tired of life" turns around the corner

        3. jelabarre59 Silver badge

          Re: Little will really change

          He doesn't need the money, and is on record as saying he's tired.

          That's fine, we're tired of his crap design sense too.

        4. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Little will really change

          "leave management behind and get back to his passion of design on a wider range of briefs than Apple require of him"

          Ok, I'm not a high end designer so don't know how it all works. But considering the limited Apple product range, is there really enough work to keep a designer employed full time, let alone a full design team?

          1. Dave 126 Silver badge

            Re: Little will really change

            Well, it's been Mission Successful for a while at Apple, if you consider Steve Jobs 1984 talk about the iPad. Seriously.

            The low hanging fruit have been plucked.

          2. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
            Coat

            Re: Little will really change

            back to his passion of design on a wider range of briefs

            Boxer shorts and ladies knickers?

          3. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Little will really change

            > Ok, I'm not a high end designer so don't know how it all works. But considering the limited Apple product range, is there really enough work to keep a designer employed full time, let alone a full design team?

            There's a lot of work in the design v engineering tradeoff e.g. designer wants it paper thin but stiff as a board; engineer says "Hah. One or the other". Then there are the three-way arguments with the production engineers who tell you you can't have X because the machine in the factory can't do it that way. Or it could but it would slow the whole production line by 50% and the cost goes up accordingly. Etc.

            There's also a surprising amount of design that goes into the packaging. Apple treat the packaging as very nearly a product in its own right, and so they want to get it to you pristine and undamaged so as not to spoil the unboxing experience. So colour test patches (usually four small circles: yellow, cyan, magenta and black which are used so the press operator can easily see if the printer has run out of ink or suffered a blockage) are something you never see on Apple packaging or manuals. They either test that the printing press didn't run out of ink another way or remove them before the cardboard is folded into a box. Whichever, someone on the design team has to check and approve all the trials and protoypes of the packaging.

      2. Tim99 Silver badge
        Gimp

        Re: Little will really change

        He’s been saying he wanted to return to the UK for some years now, so that might be the main reason?

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Little will really change

          The new company is California based and although California isn't what it used to be there still are some good bits if you are not worried about the "Big One" moving the Pacific coast into the central valley.

    2. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Little will really change

      > They will continue to use him, because who else is there?

      Talented designers are rare, but what are rarer are companies whose upper management really understand the importance of good design.

      1. MOV r0,r0

        Re: Little will really change

        Did the cases, not the insides (or the software). Likes white, good with corners. Copies 70's Braun (a lot) and worked with Marketing who told him what would sell.

        Gonna be really difficult to replace!

        1. Dave 126 Silver badge

          Re: Little will really change

          No. Designing cases is Industrial Design. Designing products, or what Dieter Rams dubs FormEngingeering is Product Design.

          The respect Dieter Rams has for Apple should be evidence enough that Ive wasn't merely copying Braun. Horse's mouth and all.

      2. jelabarre59 Silver badge

        Re: Little will really change

        Talented designers are rare, but what are rarer are companies whose upper management really understand the importance of good design.

        Excuse me, I didn't understand how "good design" relates to Sir Ive...

      3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Little will really change

        Talented designers are rare

        I'm not sure that's true. I've known a few good ones, and it's not a role I come into contact with frequently.

        I think the real problem is that star designers like Ive, or widely-lauded products like the Aeron Chair, acquire fame not because of particularly good design1 but because they're associated with (or in the case of products are) Veblen goods. So many supposed paragons of design are simply bolstered by social capital.

        On the other side of the coin, you have a great many products where no designer was involved at all (common in software) or the "designer" was not someone trained for that role. That creates the appearance of a dearth of good designers, when really it's a matter of not trying to employ one.

        Plenty of designers may lack Ive's flair for Making Everything Worse, but understand a wide array of design principles in both utility and aesthetics, and are capable of evaluating the compromises involved in applying them. Their designs may not excite the sort of professional and amateur journalists who fawn over products from the likes of Apple, but they're perfectly good.

        1However that might be measured, a question which falls foul of various problems in epistemology, aesthetics, and engineering.

  8. TaabuTheCat

    Good riddance!

    Long overdue. Apple, please go back to FUNCTIONAL design. I'm typing this - more like trying to type this - on a MacBook Pro with a barely usable keyboard because Jony cared more about thin than usable. And that's just one example of his broken obsession. I hope his last design on the way out the door is the consulting deal with Apple - all appearance, zero functionality.

    1. JLV Silver badge

      Re: Good riddance!

      Come to think of it, ain’t the flat, largely white, UI trend his turd as well?

      The stupidest thing is that everyone copied it. Just like the notch.

      On many systems you have to peer extra hard because widgets are so washed out and stripped down.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good riddance!

        On many systems you have to peer extra hard because widgets are so washed out and stripped down.

        There is a place I know, the Desktops are locked down, and they impose on everyone a background image culled from whatever marketing campaign that they are running. Result - it is difficult to find the icons of the applications that you need to launch from the Desktop, especially if you have a visual impairment.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Good riddance!

      Oh go and buy a Dell then, hater. You don't deserve Apple.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good riddance!

        Lend us a tenner... you can obviously afford it

      2. JLV Silver badge
        Facepalm

        Re: Good riddance!

        Are you for real?

        The OP's typed this on an MBP. Me as well. Apple, for now, scratches a specific itch for me: polished, consumer-grade POSIX workstation, where I can run redis or postgres type stuff. Where I don't need to uninstall Windows, mess around with trackpad drivers or replace GNOME. If a pre-installed Linux laptop offered all this to my satisfaction, I'd consider it (fond of Preview for quick annotations, pbcopy and Affinity Designer, so might still stick around).

        What I object to in recent MBP models are lack of serviceability, upgradability and price. Oh, and the #@&^ 500$CAD touchbar. But, apparently, I am way off base having any concerns.

        Imagine, if you will, 2 fans * discerning owners, of 65-67 vintage Mustangs, sitting at a bar, toasting the departure of whatever designer was responsible for transforming that car into its current sorry state. With a proper beer, say a porter.

        A drooling hipster joins them, with a near-empty pitcher of KoolAid. Nose so far up the company's nethers that it's not even brown anymore, as it's come out on the other side.

        "Fake issues. Sad! Go buy a Camaro, haters".

        Embarrassing, really. Kinda like coming from a country where the backwoods yokels are known for consorting with their sheep. Reflects poorly on the rest of us. Whether we're gearheads or just normal people who prefer to avoid Windows.

        * people like you have made that word toxic in any Apple context. I'd much rather talk with people who have reasoned opinions why they don't like Apple than admit any kinship with your ilk.

      3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge

        Re: Good riddance!

        The primary reason against getting an iPhone many years ago was the inability to turn off UI animation. The duration may be small, but, due to my epilepsy related photosensitivity, the effect is not smooth and is very distracting to the point of annoyance. No idea if UI animation can be turned off on current Apple devices, but, they are no longer affordable

    3. Roopee
      Thumb Up

      Re: Good riddance!

      Beat me to it! Surprised I had to scroll so far before I read it. Apple's designs went downhill after Jobs' influence and tight control waned. Say what you like about Jobs (and there are plenty of unflattering things to say) but he did at least keep in check the worst excesses of "form over function" designers such as Ive.

  9. Frumious Bandersnatch Silver badge

    Go your own way, Mr. Ives

    I'll be walking in the opposite direction to your polygamous, catsatrapous skeuomorphisms. Just me. Just the one, If you want to count.

  10. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

    What I hate about Apple is the lack of product diversity and incompatibility. The two design options of "what shape" and "how many thousands of dollars" doesn't really cut it. This mentality spilled over into Android cellphones and killed their sales too. Apple also likes to take industry standard systems, change them so they're not compatible, then drop support. Apple needs a new designer before their remaining customers grow tired of Apple.

    (Too late for me. I tossed the Macs when my upgrade options were Trash Can Mac Pro or Linux.)

    1. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

      This mentality spilled over into Android cellphones and killed their sales too

      ROFL

      The likes of Haweui and the rest of the Chinese makers would very much like to disagree with you.

      Phones are now approaching the same level of acceptance as say all your 'white goods' are. Everyone has them who wants them in most of the world.

      The increases in sales of phones that we have seen in the past had to come to an end simply because of the very large number of people who wanted one and could afford it already had one.

      Don't blame Ive for the notch. It is an engineering solution to a problem where the market wanted bezelless phones but the technology was not ready to allow it without some compromises.

      As a non-dedicated follower of fashion, I'll carry on using my secondhand iPhone 7 thanks.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

        "... market wanted bezelless phones"

        Citation needed.

      2. BGatez Bronze badge

        Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

        No one gave a fart about "bezel-less", another "need" created by marketeers (rhymes with racketeers).

      3. SImon Hobson Silver badge

        Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

        the market wanted bezelless phones

        Male bovine excrement !

        At least some of us absolutely hate the idea. I have a phone (from another well know manufacturer) where the active screen goes more or less to the sides of the device - and it's a right PITA. I've added a case/protector only partly to give it a bit more resilience when I drop it - but as much as anything to add a mm or two to the outline to make the flippin thing usable. I was getting "really annoyed" that it was almost impossible to hold normally without my big fat fingers wrapping round the sides enough to trigger the touch sensor - causing random stuff associated with such touches, and generally being a real PITA.

        So no, I don't want a phone where the display and touch sensor goes right to the edge of the device - I want a few mm border so I can actually hold the damn thing without having phantom touches screw things up.

    2. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

      >Apple also likes to take industry standard systems, change them so they're not compatible, then drop support.

      Apple also help create and / or popularise industry standards - see FireWire, Thunderbolt and USB C, so meh.

      > This mentality spilled over into Android cellphones and killed their sales too.

      Phones being a mature product and being well built - thus lasting longer - has played a role in falling sales too. Shit, the lack of new technology arriving to make a new phone a must-have is industry wide, so it's bizarre that you blame Jony Ive for a fall in Android sales.

      Also, are you sure that it was Ive that killed the original Cheesegrater Mac Pro, or was the decision driven by others at Apple? There are a lot of people, from operations, supply, strategy, who play a role in deciding which product lines to continue.

    3. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

      Re: Box, slab, or cylinder; expensive, premium, or ultra elite

      "incompatibility" with what?

      Or was it the "lack of incompatibility" you didn't like?

  11. Tim99 Silver badge
    Trollface

    Hmm,

    and how many posts here were written on a Samsung phone or tablet?

    1. Tim99 Silver badge
      1. NATTtrash
    2. simonlb Silver badge

      Re: Hmm,

      Not mine, I refuse to buy Samsung devices as there is just too much crapware rammed on them from the factory which cannot be removed without a lot of arsing about. Mind you, at the price-point I typically work to with phones - £100 to £150 - there are many alternative options, and for me the Huawei handsets are such damn good value for money its a no-brainer.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Hmm,

      ThinkPad here. Obviously.

  12. Jove Bronze badge

    Good news ...

    Now that the barrow-boy is going, perhaps now Apple will finally update it's dated designs and start fixing some of the long-term problems in the design of it's products.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: Good news ...

      You ask for updates to Apple's 'dated' design, but I'm sure you can acknowledge that others here will ask for a return to the iPhone 5 design and the Cheesegrater.

      So, faced with the task of appeasing both parties I'd likely just retire and do what I want, especially if it saves me a commute.

      1. Jove Bronze badge

        Re: Good news ...

        I hope you getting well paid by Apple for this drivel you post.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    WTF?

    So the joint head designers are now managed by an operations goon. That's not going to end well.

  14. HmmmYes

    This sort of nonsense pisses off.

    What 'made' Apple the company it is was taking Next software, ditching that godawful half-arsed Pascal scheduler, then hardware becoming fast and cheap enough to run Next over BSD over MAC.

    The round edges had nothing to do with it.

    Ive a few mac minis. They sit on a hidden shelf.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Plus Microsoft baling them out when they nearly hit the rocks.

      1. HmmmYes

        Indeed.

        The 'quick, give Apple some money or we'll be a monopoly! really back fired on MS'

        I look at Apples rebirth with a mixture of awe and regret (I didnt buy any shares FFS!)

        I say Apples rebirth but the Apple of the mid 90s was pretty shit and washed out - crap non MMU scheduler from the mid 80s.

        Now Apple v2 (NeXT) is/was fucking fantastic.

        Ive about 4 mac minis. They are fantastic boxes, from both the hardware design (not he round corners) and the software.

  15. Empire of the Pussycat
    Happy

    it's the only way he could fulfil his dream

    buying an hp laptop

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: it's the only way he could fulfil his dream

      He's not a big computer user in general, preferring to work with materials hands-on. There may well have been a time a decade or so back when members of his team were using Windows workstations for CAD.

      HP does have that interesting desktop with a 3D scanner and projector built in, but I haven't heard much of it in professional workflows ( likely because more expensive and capable systems already existed)

  16. MrKrotos

    iLiterally

    Don't give a shit what the glorified plastic shaper does with his life.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: iLiterally

      Just as well. When I give a shit about something, I prefer to do it figuratively.

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  18. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    70 Chic.

    Hankey to cover for Brit.

    Will he have knotted corners??

  19. BGatez Bronze badge

    overpriced AND badly engineeered

    Certain Apple will continue it's policy of delivering overpriced crap that, even more insulting in this day, is so badly designed as to be virtually recycling proof.

  20. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Design work for De Beers?

    Another product not readily affordable to most.

  21. Andalou

    Oftentimes he was just flat-out wrong.

  22. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Happy

    No More Rounded Corners

    No more rounded corners (Never be another)

    No more rounded corners.

    With thanks and apologies and to Paul McCartney

  23. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    If he was responsible for getting rid of the headphone jack, then I'd say his time to go has been a long time coming.

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